need to look like i actually workout ...help

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    Aug 21, 2014 1:10 AM GMT
    Hi guys
    I just keep going from skinny fat to skinny to fat with no balance of muscle in btw. What am I doing wrong I workout , cardio, eat correctly , track my eating habits etc. No matter what i do its not good enough . Im completely frustrated. I was a fat kid and I know i need a tummy tuck . Not sure if im only looking at that and discounting everything else or what. Def been through a depression lately.
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    Aug 21, 2014 1:27 AM GMT
    What's your current workout/diet routine?
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    Aug 21, 2014 1:45 AM GMT
    using vince delmontes hypertrophy max . I guess its best described as a split routine . 2 days weights , one day cardio and abs, 2 days weights . My diet is 4000 calories but just started that . I havent been doing alot of cardio because i stock retail shelves at night and play sports.When I diet and eat totally clean my testosterone levels decrease and my loose skin just gets worse . I try to eat 75 % clean. 100 percent clean does not work for me. I use gnc mass gainer, creatine, fish oil, and glutamine . Its crazy because through trial and error ive found my body does not respond well to what works for most guys
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    Aug 21, 2014 2:37 AM GMT
    You're either trying too hard, or you're imposing goals on yourself that you're not capable of reaching.

    BTW, switch up your routine weekly, making sure to hit all the same muscle groups during your workout days. Sometimes just confusing your muscles will be enough to get them to respond better (visually).
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    Aug 21, 2014 2:47 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidYou're either trying too hard, or you're imposing goals on yourself that you're not capable of reaching.

    BTW, switch up your routine weekly, making sure to hit all the same muscle groups during your workout days. Sometimes just confusing your muscles will be enough to get them to respond better (visually).


    Trying too hard and overthinking would be my guess . The routine does switch every month in the program. Ive done so much over the last ten yrs that it seems to be paralysis by analysis . I guess my body is in shape just not as good as i want it to be because of genes . oh well in 5 yrs i get to let it go anyway . Maybe sooner.
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    Aug 21, 2014 3:00 AM GMT
    Mascmike2014 said
    paulflexes saidYou're either trying too hard, or you're imposing goals on yourself that you're not capable of reaching.

    BTW, switch up your routine weekly, making sure to hit all the same muscle groups during your workout days. Sometimes just confusing your muscles will be enough to get them to respond better (visually).


    Trying too hard and overthinking would be my guess . The routine does switch every month in the program. Ive done so much over the last ten yrs that it seems to be paralysis by analysis . I guess my body is in shape just not as good as i want it to be because of genes . oh well in 5 yrs i get to let it go anyway . Maybe sooner.
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    Aug 21, 2014 3:01 AM GMT
    I've never heard of hypertrophy max til now. Seems like a really intense program, probably more appropriate for intermediate to advanced training.

    For you, I think you need to stick with something more simple. Utilize basic compound movements with free weights. Sounds like you're trying to add muscle mass. So maybe create a routine that combines both strength training and hypertrophy training.

    So for the first two days of training, go with heavier weights, and lower reps. Then your second two days of training, go with medium weights and do straight sets of 10+ reps.
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    Aug 21, 2014 3:09 AM GMT
    The funny thing about that is been lifting on and off since high school . Ive done routines like that. Ive hired personal trainers. Ive done p90x too. Either i get what I want for a very short time or just waste money . I dont want to give this up . I know theres some key ingredient im missing . i can get real chubby or anorexic skinny within weeks.
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    Aug 21, 2014 3:17 AM GMT
    You have to push your self to the limit ... if you lifting 50 lb.s one week, increase it to 55 the second week and 60 the week after that and so on and so forth. Don't just lift once, lift in at least 3 sets of 10s increase the weight a little with each set. Work upper body one day, lower the next. 2 or 3 days is not going to cut it, you are going to have to work out 5 to 7 days a week. Cut fat from your diet, and flour products, like bread, pasta etc. ... you can have a hamburger, you just can't have the bun. Keep starches to a minimum ... get the idea?
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    Aug 21, 2014 6:36 AM GMT
    You do NOT need to take max gainer unless you bust your ass in the gym at least an hour a day in weight training alone. Otherwise it just turns to fat. Have you had your thyroid checked. T4 T3 by an endocrinologist not just a reg Dr. Who gives a CBC chem screen. Try that.
    Tell us what you find out!
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    Aug 21, 2014 6:53 AM GMT
    I think it may be a problem with diet. Forget the weight gainers and the supplements. Consume most of your carbs before and/or after your workouts. Rest of the day, utilize a high protein/low carb meals.
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    Aug 21, 2014 8:37 AM GMT
    ok how do you get 4000 calories a day without it and on a very fixed budget . Would you recommend a clean weight gainer like isopure
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    Aug 21, 2014 10:46 AM GMT
    Mascmike2014 saidok how do you get 4000 calories a day without it and on a very fixed budget . Would you recommend a clean weight gainer like isopure
    Giant scoops of peanut butter are my go-to snack when I'm calorie deficient. Just one tablespoon of it is over 200 cal, so a couple giant super-heaping scoops can be over 1000 cal each.
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    Aug 22, 2014 2:48 AM GMT
    Mascmike2014 saidok how do you get 4000 calories a day without it and on a very fixed budget . Would you recommend a clean weight gainer like isopure

    Get a tub of Glyco Maize. It's affordable and flavorless. Add a couple of scoops to your post workout shake, add frozen fruit, add peanut butter.. it's all calories.

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    Some guy at my work tosses in a few graham crackers into the blender. I thought that was brilliant. Easy/cheap way to add calories, make your shake thicker, and make it tastier. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Aug 24, 2014 1:55 AM GMT
    First of all, don't give up. We all feel this way at times because the body changes very very slowly.

    My guess is you might have a touch of Body Dismorphia. It's hard to put on muscle without gaining a little fat too, and that probably freaks you out when you see that happening. Am I right? From the looks of your body, it seems you are "toned" but not a lot of sizable muscle. Increasing the weight of your lifts will fix that pretty quickly. And sometimes it's best to cut down on the cardio until you're able to gain some weight. I would definitely stay away from the P90X for now and concentrate on your big compound movements like squats, deadlifts and such. Pullups and dips will give you a huge boost too. Forget about bicep curls and calf raises for now and just focus on the big movements. And eat!
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    Aug 24, 2014 3:12 PM GMT
    Definitely not given up ,

    yeah im sure body dysmorphia is a part of it . That baggage comes with any former fat kid. I need to realize its part of the process. Some days youll look bloated and shitty and other days youlll look great because your body composition is changing . I mean all my pics are within days of one another yet they look totally different . Its like a sculpture it never looks right until it hits a certain level. The compound lift idea is a good one . So is the hormone check.
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    Aug 24, 2014 6:53 PM GMT
    Mascmike2014 saidDefinitely not given up ,

    yeah im sure body dysmorphia is a part of it . That baggage comes with any former fat kid. I need to realize its part of the process. Some days youll look bloated and shitty and other days youlll look great because your body composition is changing . I mean all my pics are within days of one another yet they look totally different . Its like a sculpture it never looks right until it hits a certain level. The compound lift idea is a good one . So is the hormone check.


    I can relate. I have body dysmorphia too, only from being very skinny as a kid. Constantly remind yourself of the facts: You got fat as a kid by eating large quantities of the wrong foods and not exercising. Eating more now that you're working out will not have the same result as before. Just make sure you eat plenty of the RIGHT foods and in the proper quantities. You can workout day and night but if you don't give your body enough good food and rest, it will never show.