How is the current St Louis protests making you feel? Is there a difference between how blacks/non blacks might feel?

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    Aug 21, 2014 7:47 AM GMT
    I can't seem to find a discussion on the CNN blogs comment section about this, so I want to ask head on. Most of the comments on these headline sites are just stupid, assumption stuff that I can't bear to read. Mainly, assuming when stuff like this happens, it's somehow justifiable to shoot the black guy. But yet...in Colorado there were 2 separate incidents of multiple car jacking that went on for several miles. It was an all out police chase, helicopters filming the whole thing. Yet no one was killed. The swat team guy simply tackled the car jacker to the ground. Right along with the aurora theater shooting...mother fucker still alive in an asylum.

    Anyhow, that's not the point I'm making. Seeing this stuff on the news just makes me sick. What happened is one thing, but just today...CNN did a segment titled: 10 THINGS BLACK MEN SHOULD DO TO STAY SAFE. I can't remember the exact title, but along those lines. I quickly changed the channel. They're blowing this thing WAY out of proportion to make it seem like every black guy in the country will be some kind of target, or experienced being a target to some gun-toting pig. Yet, the average put together black man who is not living in the hood doing hood shit, isn't any more at risk of being killed than the petite white bitch jogging alone at 5 am, or the prostitute working it in Las Vegas...all which carry more risk, than simply being Black.

    I'm like first of all, the only images of black men they are showing on the news are some old St. Louis ghetto, hood cats off the street. (horrible city that I've always felt was Ghetto and racist and dilapidated...so this doesn't surprise me 1 bit) Yet, they make it seem like they speak for and represent all black men, and it's fucking driving me crazy. It's just a shame. I'm not any more related to ghetto St. Louisianan black men, than Anderson cooper is related to the duck dynasty Phil Robertson. Nor any more related to them than Ricky Martin is related to the Mexican drug cartel. My former Pakistani roommate also didn't hold me hostage and chop my head off either. Clearly not, because I'm still here.

    I'm not trying to dilute or dispel what happened, or say that I as a black person haven't dealt with profiling/unfair treatment either. I think this country does have issues...but the error lies on both sides. Personally though, as a black person, I feel embarrassed about the entire situation. Depicting black folks on national TV looking ghetto as fuck In a ghetto part of town, only further demotes us. I really want to get a 1 way ticket and get the hell out of here for awhile. Bristol, Switzerland, Australia, London, France...somewhere! I just can't deal with the US right now. It's not even productive to higher thinking here. Plus, as a black person...there's other countries where I've been told we are more appreciated. So why do I want to piss away my time in a country where every few months, it's some bullshit and drama?

    I want to be like Chaka khan and Tina Turner and renounce my citizenship. I'm so over America. Lord...just take me now Jesus! Show me the way to manna and that land of milk and honey. Because clearly it's not here anymore. We've become a police state:
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    Aug 22, 2014 2:25 AM GMT
    I was gonna be brutally honest, but my opinions may sound racist. icon_wink.gif

    All I can say is that everyone is responsible for their own actions and have the power to choose their own destiny. Mr Brown, Officer Wilson, the police chief, the mayor, the looters, the citizens of Ferguson.. They all made some poor decisions. The consequences of their decisions may last a long time. Let's hope common sense overrides hysteria soon.
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    Aug 22, 2014 2:35 AM GMT
    It is surreal to me, and makes me incredibly sad.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Aug 22, 2014 2:54 AM GMT

    Lets not forget that Detroit paid a heavy, harsh price for the police raid on a night club in a black neighborhood in 1967. That city has never recovered from the extreme violence and destruction that resulted from police brutality and overreaction accompanied by total indifference from the politicians. This same exact frightening scenario could play out in both the city of St Louis and in most of its surrounding suburbs if political leadership doesn't make major efforts to get their police departments under control and force them to be 100% accountable for all their actions. They also need to stop covering up for these fascistic, rogue cops who think their authority is unquestionable and throw these vicious sickos off the force permanently. Otherwise, three quarters of the St Louis Metropolitan Region could end up in flames.
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    Aug 22, 2014 2:58 AM GMT
    "We've become a police state."

    It doesn't matter if you're sophisticated or "ghetto", Black, White, Asian or Latino...

    If a nervous cop or a community vigilante like George Zimmerman thinks you look "threatening"...

    YOU WILL BE DEAD.


    Don't worry about Michael Brown making you look bad as a black man. I don't feel responsible for every white racist and his ignorance.

    You should worry about the police officers you pay to serve your interest....MURDERING YOUR FELLOW CITIZENS.
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    Aug 22, 2014 3:10 AM GMT
    well, part of me is very confused that the police in Ferguson is telling Amnesty International to leave, and threaten camera from shooting them as well as can't make up their mind where they want the media to be in. I was watching this live stream the other day where the police seemed to lack communicatins. The poor local radio(?) recording the live stream had to move to a place only to be encountered by another police (or could be trooper, i lost track of the order) to tell them to leave.

    If anything, I think this break at least one amendment.

    And then the police has no name badges over there now?


    Also I haven't exactly read a lot of the news article because IDK which one is unbiased anymore... but it seems like the white people who don't understand or sympathize (or the ones defending the cop) with the situation are the kind who hangs out with white people. (im not saying there's more than one type of white people, but I think I just did.)


    lastly on the topic of race, the stereotype of Asians having to be model minority is stupid. It's kind of like bending over to some white supremacist ass.

    and another opinion: I think it's bad leadership and lack of diversity in that area/city/town.
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    Aug 22, 2014 3:11 AM GMT
    Determinate said "We've become a police state."

    It doesn't matter if you're sophisticated or "ghetto", Black, White, Asian or Latino...

    If a nervous cop or a community vigilante like George Zimmerman thinks you look "threatening"...

    YOU WILL BE DEAD.


    Don't worry about Michael Brown making you look bad as a black man. I don't feel responsible for every white racist and his ignorance.

    You should worry about the police officers you pay to serve your interest....MURDERING YOUR FELLOW CITIZENS.
    This is why I cannot stress this enough, we need to permanently end paramilitary training and actions in all police departments across the US. It is this paramilitary approach to police work that is the root cause of many of these serious problems. This is why many Americans don't trust police officers and the tension and distrust is only getting worse. I fear that the US is becoming more like Russia. I guess that my prior military service to this country doesn't mean a goddamned thing anymore. It appears that I and thousands others signed an oath to protect and defend a democratic republic that is now turning into a fascist dictatorship.
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    Aug 22, 2014 4:10 AM GMT
    We're still calling it a riot? icon_confused.gif
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    Aug 22, 2014 4:19 AM GMT
    And seeing as about 4 more black people have been gunned down by cops since Mike Brown (and countless more harassed before), it does kind of scream "black=target"

    Ever since Eric Garner, my folks have been twisting my arm to cut my hair and shave my beard. Look as little of a threat as possible. Don't know what they plan to do with the fact that I rarely smile though.
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    Aug 22, 2014 5:20 AM GMT
    I don't think people know the meaning of "police state".
  • tj85016

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    Aug 22, 2014 4:01 PM GMT
    xrichx saidI don't think people know the meaning of "police state".


    how about "cops killing people for no valid reason state"?

  • TDSmoove

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    Aug 22, 2014 5:26 PM GMT
    Recently there was this 18 year old kid that was walking the streets of Aurora (Illif & Buckley) with a 12 gauge shotgun strapped over his shoulder. Naturally several 911 calls came in and the police stopped him. The kid was ready and recorded the stop. His main point was about open carry and police interactions but I saw something that most didn't. If it was me walking around with a shotgun, would I still be alive to talk about it? Many would think I'm overreacting but think about it. Ever read a story about a black man doing that? Doesn't happen. Guess why... Cause we'd be shot, beaten, etc. all while being unarmed. It simply doesn't happen to white people. My white friends tell ma all of the time about how they cussed out a cop that pulled them over. We don't do that... Period. We get arrested or worse when we do. Those of you that have more than one Black friend, ask them. Charged at a cop that is already shooting him? Bitch please.

    Which brings us back to Ferguson. So many are talkin about how wrong rioting is and how the looters should be arrested. But that's focusing on the wrong thing.. Property, insured property. Not the kid that was shot down and left in the street by the man who's job was to protect the very person he gunned down. To protect and server the same community that they (the police) were pointing sniper rifles and launching tear gas into the yards of the very people who were obeying their orders and trying to simply live. That has never happened in Littleton, Aurora, Sandy Hook, Clive Bundy's ranch. We all saw the photos of the militia, with sniper rifles pointed AT the feds... And the Feds backed off. Let me try that. You'd be reading my story in the obituaries. There is more than one America people, believe it or not, like it or not. Denying that fact doesn't make it disappear. Confronting it head on and dealing with it does.

    Forgot the link to the article
    http://www.aurorasentinel.com/news/shotgun-armed-teen-charged-obstruction-aurora-open-carry-stop/
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    Aug 22, 2014 6:48 PM GMT
    " They're more than one America people, believe it or not, like it or not. Denying that fact doesn't make it disappear. Confronting it head on and dealing with it does."

    Can racism be confronted? Can we stop unequal treatment by law enforcement?

    I think we have to start in our own communities.

    Here's an example from Atlanta:

    "The Atlanta Police Department is seeking participants for the Spring 2014 Citizens Police Academy. As the Department strives for transparency in its operations, the Citizens Police Academy provides a hands-on opportunity to educate the citizens of Atlanta on the operations of the Department while obtaining valuable feedback from citizens to enhance police and community relations. "

    But even more important than joining the cops...WE NEED TO WATCH THE COPS----AND LET THEM KNOW WE'RE WATCHING.

    I plan to attend the next citizens' meeting with my local police department...and I'll deliver the message that "I don't pay your salary for you to shoot unarmed people."
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    Aug 22, 2014 7:02 PM GMT
    Determinate said" They're more than one America people, believe it or not, like it or not. Denying that fact doesn't make it disappear. Confronting it head on and dealing with it does."

    Can racism be confronted? Can we stop unequal treatment by law enforcement?

    I think we have to start in our own communities.

    Here's an example from Atlanta:

    "The Atlanta Police Department is seeking participants for the Spring 2014 Citizens Police Academy. As the Department strives for transparency in its operations, the Citizens Police Academy provides a hands-on opportunity to educate the citizens of Atlanta on the operations of the Department while obtaining valuable feedback from citizens to enhance police and community relations. "

    But even more important than joining the cops...WE NEED TO WATCH THE COPS----AND LET THEM KNOW WE'RE WATCHING.

    I plan to attend the next citizens' meeting with my local police department...and I'll deliver the message that "I don't pay your salary for you to shoot unarmed people."


    There was an incident here where a guy was beaten up by town cops, which was caught on dashcam video of a statey who pulled over to "help"


    Police dash cam video exonerates New Jersey man, leads to indictment of cops

    New York Daily News
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    Aug 22, 2014 7:36 PM GMT
    " the only way shit is going to change is if you get rid of the fucked up people in the government and that's very unlikely."

    pazzy, Your approach is one I call "typing out your pain".

    For me I need a little more action and civic engagement.


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    Aug 22, 2014 7:43 PM GMT
    pazzy, Your approach is one I call "typing out your pain".

    For me I need a little more action and civic engagement.


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    That right there is a very big part of the solution. People, especially low income and communities of color must get out and vote. All communities need to stop voting against their own interests as well. Most of us don't know who our city councilmen are, don't know or state representatives, rarely vote on referendums. That is the easiest way yo make a change, get involved. It's not just someone else's problem. I get tired of seeing threats like this on here too. We all, together, can make a difference. It doesn't hurt to try.
  • TDSmoove

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    Aug 22, 2014 8:25 PM GMT
    Doing nothing or simply complaining about the situation definitely changes nothing. Taken action on multiple fronts is the best way to combat any problem. Looking for a magic bullet solution doesn't work because it's much more complex than hitting it from on angle. we both agree on the problem, no question. Many solutions are out of our reach while other we as citizen can have a direct influence over. We have to try. A lil bit of something is always better than a whole lot of nothing.
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    Aug 22, 2014 8:38 PM GMT
    The incident itself does not phase me at all. The fact that he was black and the cop white doesn't phase me at all. I'm pretty desensitized.
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    Aug 22, 2014 10:08 PM GMT
    It's an ongoing battle. Only way to change things is to get involved in your community in a positive light. Join excising groups or make one of your own. Most important thing is to stay true to your mission. Weather it be stopping violent acts by public officials or fighting favoritism in education, the end game is all the same, equality.
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    Aug 23, 2014 3:36 AM GMT
    Don Lemon is a major douche.

    msnbc busy building the gallows for Ofc Wilson.

    No, it's not always justified to "shoot the black guy." But when the guy (black or otherwise) is acting like a rampaging elephant on PCP, shooting is an option, sometimes the only option.

    Pick your battles more carefully, friend.
  • BlackRussian1...

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    Aug 23, 2014 12:05 PM GMT
    I feel like the fascist police response can and does happen anywhere in the US, a country which remains deeply racist and divided in spite of many strides made over the years. If anything, the scene in STL shows what a militarized, police state looks like and I find it very disturbing. As far as the so-called "riots", so much the better: how many times are cops going to be allowed to murder (unarmed) citizens before we (citizens) say "enough."

    Anyway, there's are many important conversations being had now about police violence, police militarization, civil rights, poverty, and racism in the US which is fascinating to see happen (if disturbing that we're having it in 2014) and long overdue.
  • HottJoe

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    Aug 23, 2014 3:57 PM GMT
    I think the cops are a disgrace. They seem to be shooting first and covering up later. There's no reason to use deadly force on someone who is unarmed. If they can't subdue an unarmed suspect by nonlethal means, then they are either ill-equipped or poorly trained, or both. I think these trigger-happy cops have become the criminals.

    I do think that there are extreme differences in opinion across racial lines, but I support the protesters. If I was in their shoes and the system was corrupt and bigoted against me, I'd feel I'd have more to lose by not taking a stand.
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    Aug 24, 2014 1:44 AM GMT
    Determinate said
    It doesn't matter if you're sophisticated or "ghetto", Black, White, Asian or Latino...

    If a nervous cop or a community vigilante like George Zimmerman thinks you look "threatening"...

    YOU WILL BE DEAD.

    Don't worry about Michael Brown making you look bad as a black man. I don't feel responsible for every white racist and his ignorance. You should worry about the police officers you pay to serve your interest....MURDERING YOUR FELLOW CITIZENS.


    I will be dead? that's bullshit. let me tell you something:

    in my 27 years being black in every state listed in my profile, i've never had a cop so much as even DRAW a gun on me. I also have 3 black brothers all over the age of 21, and they haven't dealt with anything similar either. i would also never place myself in a position to have a confrontation or struggle with a cop. (now please note, i am not saying that was the case in the incident. i'm just speaking about me)

    I also wasn't referring to micheal brown making us look bad, but there was segment on cnn interviewing the people who live in that neighborhood...and they all out with shirts off, pants sagging...hanging out on the corner in broad daylight on a weekday. Now, without me making any assumptions, what kind of impression are people (especially the ones in western/rural states with few black populations) going to have about the black man?
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    Aug 24, 2014 2:12 AM GMT
    pazzy said
    and you're kidding yourself if you think the rest of the world doesn't have the same issue. england, australia... you expect them to be any different than the united states?


    fuck-hell yes they are different than the united states! they allow prostitution for one lol. that in itself is enough difference. I understand racism exists everywhere...but I am coming to learn that this is probably not the greatest country, UNLESS you are the typical white american poster child. look around...what do you see? favoritism and superiority complexes for whites, and black folks getting shot in the hood by police. I know black people that do better AND ARE TREATED BETTER in other countries (NORWAY, SWEDEN, FRANCE) than here...and i'd say a good part of it is due to this on-going stigma and discrimination against us that stemmed from an oppression that lasted for over 400 years...but yet it hasn't even been 400 years since slavery ended.

    america is still half ass tolerant of black folks, because it hasn't even elapsed half the 400 years ago that we weren't at all tolerated.

    getting back on topic, i predict the next war will be the u.s. citizens against the police. they going to fucking tear down the police dominance. it's going to be like Ukraine and Russia up in this bitch. then, the U.N. will take over the U.S. and become as 1, and I'll move to Europe and live happily ever after. (remember, there's more civilians than police...we can easily overtake them, take their weaponry and overpower them).
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    Aug 24, 2014 7:04 AM GMT
    Problem solved. icon_biggrin.gif


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