Mennonite Pastor Karl Shelly under scrutiny for presiding over same-sex wedding

  • metta

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    Aug 22, 2014 5:27 AM GMT
    Mennonite pastor under scrutiny for presiding over same-sex wedding

    Assembly Mennonite Church Pastor Karl Shelly wrote in a statement he submitted to the Indiana-Michigan conference that he performed the service in May after determining that “being born with a same-sex sexual orientation and entering into a life-long covenant of fidelity and love with another human being is not sin,”


    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2014/08/mennonite-pastor-under-scrutiny-for-presiding-over-same-sex-wedding/


    http://www.elkharttruth.com/hometown/goshen/2014/08/19/Goshen-pastor-s-church-credentials-subject-to-review-for-performing-same-sex-marriage-ceremony.html

    I think this might be him

    https://www.facebook.com/karl.shelly
  • johnnyqhomo7

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    Aug 22, 2014 4:44 PM GMT
    I don't get it. Why don't straight Christians get that you are born gay? I mean, why cant they comprehend this?
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    Aug 22, 2014 6:26 PM GMT
    ^^ Because to admit it would upset their apple cart. For many their belief system would be called into question.
  • FRE0

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    Aug 22, 2014 8:38 PM GMT
    johnnyqhomo7 saidI don't get it. Why don't straight Christians get that you are born gay? I mean, why cant they comprehend this?


    That fact that being gay is not a choice has not been presented to most people in a way that forces them to understand it. Instead, they don't believe it. There are proven solutions which, for reasons that I do not understand, have not been widely used.

    The Episcopal Church is ruled by the General Convention which meets every three years. It consists of deputies elected by each congregation. Way back in the early 1980s, the book, A Book of Revelations, was presented to each deputy at the General Convention. The book was commissioned by Integrity, the national organization for gay men and women in the Episcopal Church. The book contained about 52 chapters, each of which was written by a different gay man or woman, each being about the problems he or she had do deal with in coming to terms with being gay. It was impossible to read the book without concluding that being gay is not a matter of choice.

    The book changed the direction of the General Convention because it is generally accepted that people should not be put down for characteristics over which they have no choice. Since then, the Episcopal Church has been moving in the direction of accepting gay men and women as equal and, in most dioceses, gay persons are welcomed and treated as equal. In some dioceses, same-sex weddings are preformed and probably before long, they will be performed in most dioceses.

    Again, the reason for the change was that it was made inescapably clear that being gay is not a matter of choice. That was not done simply by saying that it isn't a matter of choice, but rather, by presenting material that made that conclusion almost impossible to avoid. It is an approach which should be more widely used.
  • ASHDOD

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    Aug 22, 2014 8:47 PM GMT
    johnnyqhomo7 saidI don't get it. Why don't straight Christians get that you are born gay? I mean, why cant they comprehend this?


    god love idiots ,thats why he created so many of them icon_lol.gif
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    Aug 24, 2014 12:07 PM GMT
    johnnyqhomo7 saidI don't get it. Why don't straight Christians get that you are born gay? I mean, why cant they comprehend this?


    But now you have bisexuals who have had wives, kids the whole cotton caboodle, and in middle age they to want to been seen as gay, or are shoved under the gay tepee; thus gay can look like a choice, when you mix it with bisexuals.
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    Aug 24, 2014 3:46 PM GMT
    johnnyqhomo7 saidI don't get it. Why don't straight Christians get that you are born gay? I mean, why cant they comprehend this?


    As mentioned, some are able to see through their own bullshit and by that correct themselves, but even self-acknowledging that capability doesn't always lend itself towards correction:

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    The Dalai Lama has immediate access to the very best experts in every field. So it's not as if he's lacking proper information. Not only that, but even original doctrines of the Buddha say nothing to indicate that there's anything wrong with being gay. There's only a precept involving "sexual misconduct" generally and applying to all orientation which has been interpreted and applied specifically to us by later disciples, not by their holiest, earliest texts but by subsequent writings and teachings.

    So he's a bit full of shit too and ought to be ashamed of himself for causing us so much pain for so many years. He denounces homophobia, at least, but that is not enough.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_sexuality

    So when we see any aspect or leader of religion breaking from their harmful bullshit, well, that's nice.
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    Aug 24, 2014 7:44 PM GMT
    johnnyqhomo7 saidI don't get it. Why don't straight Christians get that you are born gay? I mean, why cant they comprehend this?
    Because they've already had to give women their rights, which the bible clearly states they shouldn't have. And they had to free the slaves, which the bibles clearly supports slavery. Now they're being told to accept homosexuality, and that's the last thread of hate they have to hold on to, so they're holding on as tight as they can.