Jonathan and David - A Biblical Account of Same Gender Marriage

  • metta

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    Aug 23, 2014 7:48 AM GMT
    Jonathan and David

    A Biblical Account of Same Gender Marriage


    http://www.allfaith.com/Grace/jon.html
  • ATLANTIS7

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    Aug 23, 2014 3:37 PM GMT
    If people believe everything in the holy books which were written by MAN then faeries really do live at the bottom of my garden?
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    Aug 23, 2014 3:58 PM GMT
    I'm surprised that some are apparently first becoming aware of this tale now. I do reject the author's simultaneously patronizing and salacious spin on the story, however. Like so much in the Bible, it's eloquent and understandable enough in its own right without any contemporary condescending commentary on it.
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    Aug 23, 2014 4:36 PM GMT
    Well you've done it yet again, Metta8! Never fail to enlighten us! Thanks so much for reminding us of this important text! icon_biggrin.gif
  • LJay

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    Aug 23, 2014 5:56 PM GMT
    And?
  • FRE0

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    Aug 23, 2014 6:14 PM GMT
    We shouldn't try to read too much into ancient texts.
  • bro4bro

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    Aug 23, 2014 6:22 PM GMT
  • ASHDOD

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    Aug 23, 2014 11:04 PM GMT
    once in a few years some m.k [member of the israeli parlament, member of kneset] reads thee story from the bible in the kneset ,and then the religious m.k get mad and the left is happy for a second,until next time

  • Sunny_x9

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    Aug 23, 2014 11:30 PM GMT
    I read the text in the link .
    I felt like . some ( zakir naik ) was trying to push his own ideas
    to people who just for no reason want to understand
    whatsoever (zakir naik ) want them to understand .
    anyway I was reading the text and I did not felt that was a
    gay interaction .
    good day friend . take care
  • somedaytoo

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    Aug 24, 2014 12:19 AM GMT
    That was a great read. Thanks!
  • metta

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    Aug 24, 2014 3:10 AM GMT
    Sunny_x9 saidI read the text in the link .
    I felt like . some ( zakir naik ) was trying to push his own ideas
    to people who just for no reason want to understand
    whatsoever (zakir naik ) want them to understand .
    anyway I was reading the text and I did not felt that was a
    gay interaction .
    good day friend . take care


    There are many different translations of the bible as well as different interpretations.
  • waccamatt

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    Aug 24, 2014 4:11 AM GMT
    MGINSD saidI'm surprised that some are apparently first becoming aware of this tale now. I do reject the author's simultaneously patronizing and salacious spin on the story, however. Like so much in the Bible, it's eloquent and understandable enough in its own right without any contemporary condescending commentary on it.


    Some people take religion way too seriously. Religion was created as a way to control the masses and now, thousand of years later, people still fall for it, hook, line and sinker.
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    Aug 24, 2014 6:07 AM GMT
    Er, what about Bathsheba?
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    Aug 24, 2014 6:26 AM GMT
    Oh yes! There is so much stuff I could add to this prompt, but I won't. It amazes me how so religious the Christian people are but they will not acknowledge truths in their scriptures that is right in front of their face when they read it. And not just the Christians, American Jewish people seem to ignore the reality of David's relationship with Jonathan, and the Muslims seem to do the same thing. Yes people, David "loved" Jonathan and it wasn't just brotherly, hahaha. I found this out years ago from older people who really knew the scriptures. It cracks me up how political agendas can make even the most fervent religious people deny what they read right in front of their eyes. lol.
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    Aug 24, 2014 7:54 AM GMT
    For a more complete and wider-ranging treatment of homosexuality in the Old and Testaments (e.g. Paul), see Jonathan Loved David: Homosexuality in Biblical Times, by Tom Horner. It was published in 1978, but is still available on Amazon in an inexpensive paperback format.

    A more scholarly treatment of the relationship between Jonathan and David was published in 2011, but costs $85 and is much deeper than most of us here would want to read. It is Jonathan Loved David: Manly Love in the Bible and the Hermeneutics of Sex, by Anthony Heacock.
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    Aug 24, 2014 12:39 PM GMT
    Xena and Gabrielle were lesbian. true story
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    The Bible Gay-splained.
    Thanks bro4bro, just what this discussion needed.
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    Aug 24, 2014 1:57 PM GMT
    waccamatt said
    MGINSD saidI'm surprised that some are apparently first becoming aware of this tale now. I do reject the author's simultaneously patronizing and salacious spin on the story, however. Like so much in the Bible, it's eloquent and understandable enough in its own right without any contemporary condescending commentary on it.

    Some people take religion way too seriously. Religion was created as a way to control the masses and now, thousand of years later, people still fall for it, hook, line and sinker.
    I know right!?!...just like with supply side economics or that most of Sean Cody models are straight! Although I'm a fan of erotic fiction, this ancient tale of two frustrated butt pirates didn't do much for me.
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    Aug 24, 2014 3:45 PM GMT
    I too am surprised people are just learning of this tale. I always point it out to this Bible thumpers who are against gay marriage. I always tell them the Bible say absolutely NOTHING about gay marriage. The closest thing is the story of Jonathan and David which if anything supports it.
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    Aug 24, 2014 3:53 PM GMT
    metta8 said
    Sunny_x9 saidI read the text in the link .
    I felt like . some ( zakir naik ) was trying to push his own ideas
    to people who just for no reason want to understand
    whatsoever (zakir naik ) want them to understand .
    anyway I was reading the text and I did not felt that was a
    gay interaction .
    good day friend . take care


    There are many different translations of the bible as well as different interpretations.


    But the Bible is clear about homosexual acts. So your interpretation is bias as hell.
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    Aug 24, 2014 3:54 PM GMT
    Jockular saidI too am surprised people are just learning of this tale. I always point it out to this Bible thumpers who are against gay marriage. I always tell them the Bible say absolutely NOTHING about gay marriage. The closest thing is the story of Jonathan and David which if anything supports it.



    You're putting your own spin on the story though.
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    Aug 24, 2014 3:59 PM GMT
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    Jockular saidI too am surprised people are just learning of this tale. I always point it out to this Bible thumpers who are against gay marriage. I always tell them the Bible say absolutely NOTHING about gay marriage. The closest thing is the story of Jonathan and David which if anything supports it.



    You're putting your own spin on the story though.


    Well everything is a spin. If we're going to go with literal then the Bible says nothing about gay marriage. Period. It's just a storybook.
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    Aug 24, 2014 4:01 PM GMT
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    metta8 said
    Sunny_x9 saidI read the text in the link .
    I felt like . some ( zakir naik ) was trying to push his own ideas
    to people who just for no reason want to understand
    whatsoever (zakir naik ) want them to understand .
    anyway I was reading the text and I did not felt that was a
    gay interaction .
    good day friend . take care


    There are many different translations of the bible as well as different interpretations.


    But the Bible is clear about homosexual acts. So your interpretation is bias as hell.


    If you read the rest of the Bible though to the very end...and take it literally...the Old Laws were essentially nullified.

    Also, the Bible isn't clear about homosexual acts. That story has been spun by man throughout the ages through their translations into English from the original language. The passage spoke against the violation men were doing against men in that imaginary city. People have been spinning it to apply to consensual sex between two men.
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    metta8 said
    Sunny_x9 saidI read the text in the link .
    I felt like . some ( zakir naik ) was trying to push his own ideas
    to people who just for no reason want to understand
    whatsoever (zakir naik ) want them to understand .
    anyway I was reading the text and I did not felt that was a
    gay interaction .
    good day friend . take care


    There are many different translations of the bible as well as different interpretations.


    But the Bible is clear about homosexual acts. So your interpretation is bias as hell.


    if there's anything the Bible isn't clear about that's homo sex.

    - The infamous verse Leviticus 20:13, often used to condemn homosexuality, is about a married-man with another male, in the "marriage-bed" as with his wife. See the Latinized Greek for Leviticus 20:13 below:

    "Kai hos an koimEthE meta arsenos koitEn
    gunaikos, bdelugma epoiEsan amphoteroi;
    thanatousthwsan, enoichoi eisin." [Lev 20:13 in Greek Septuagint LXX].
    The translation of the Greek term 'gunaikos' is interpreted to mean: wife. Hence, the verse actually forbids male-male adultery, pertaining only to a married man.

    Similarly, for Leviticus 18:22, the wording of the original Hebrew is very different from the KJV form:

    "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind:
    it is abomination." [Leviticus 18:22, King James Version]
    However, the original Hebrew for Leviticus 18:22 reveals a different 3rd meaning:

    "We-et-zakar lo' tishkav mishkevey 'ishshah" [Lev 18:22 Hebrew, Latinized]
    ("And-with a-male NOT lie-down in beds-of a-woman") [Lev 18:22 literal translation]

    So, the Hebrew Leviticus 18:22 mentions: someone + a male + a woman; hence, a forbidden 3-way.

    Those 2 infamous Leviticus verses actually mention other women or wives, rather than male-male relationships, as is often the misinterpretation & mistranslation.

    source: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt83726.html
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    Aug 24, 2014 4:56 PM GMT
    look if God didn't like gay men to have sex he would have sent a fatal disease to exterminate all faggots. icon_rolleyes.gif