Blue states join red states on tax reform

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    Aug 26, 2014 2:10 AM GMT
    http://humanevents.com/2014/08/25/blue-states-join-red-states-on-tax-reform/

    Though conservative “red” states have more competitive tax systems and regulatory systems, legislators in many liberal “blue” states are beginning to respond with good reforms of their own, according to the latest release of the American Legislative Exchange Council’s Rich States, Poor States report.
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    Aug 26, 2014 2:11 AM GMT
    This might be why:
    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-09-26/red-blue-states-income-economy/57846600/1

    "Growth higher in red states than blue, swing states
    The income of those living in red states has climbed 4.6% since the recession began in December 2007, a USA TODAY analysis of total increases found. The average income of those living in blue states and swing states saw a much slower increase. The personal income of blue states has increased 0.5%, while in the swing states, income increased 1.4%."
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    Aug 26, 2014 6:15 PM GMT
    Blue states, for better or worse, are in the position that they champion providing income and services for those who cannot or will not act to provide income and services for themselves. The real issue in the U.S. is that wealth is transferred to those I identified above as "those who cannot or will not act to provide income and services for themselves." The U.S. is unlike Europe in that all income groups typically pay considerable taxes and ALL benefit from the taxes they have paid. In Europe, it is not so much the classic liberal notion of "transfer of wealth."

    There is a huge squabble in Austria at the moment where the top marginal income tax rate is 49%. European Union nations, like U.S. states, are competing for not only industry but migrants who are technically and intellectually capable and successful people. The flood of such people out of South Africa into European states is the very same as the flood of such people out of California, Illinois, New York, Wisconsin, and Massachusetts plus a few other states.

    You do not have to spend much time following even liberal American media to understand that the only thing Blue State liberals give a damn about with conservative/moderate folk is their income. One cannot support all of the areas of America like Ferguson, Missouri -- where a giant was slain by a David -- without taking income from others. It is that simple.

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    Aug 27, 2014 1:07 AM GMT
    riddler78 saidThis might be why:
    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-09-26/red-blue-states-income-economy/57846600/1

    "Growth higher in red states than blue, swing states
    The income of those living in red states has climbed 4.6% since the recession began in December 2007, a USA TODAY analysis of total increases found. The average income of those living in blue states and swing states saw a much slower increase. The personal income of blue states has increased 0.5%, while in the swing states, income increased 1.4%."


    Of course the income in red states started much lower, so they had nowhere to go but up.
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    Aug 27, 2014 1:10 AM GMT
    conservativejock saidBlue states, for better or worse, are in the position that they champion providing income and services for those who cannot or will not act to provide income and services for themselves. The real issue in the U.S. is that wealth is transferred to those I identified above as "those who cannot or will not act to provide income and services for themselves." The U.S. is unlike Europe in that all income groups typically pay considerable taxes and ALL benefit from the taxes they have paid. In Europe, it is not so much the classic liberal notion of "transfer of wealth."

    There is a huge squabble in Austria at the moment where the top marginal income tax rate is 49%. European Union nations, like U.S. states, are competing for not only industry but migrants who are technically and intellectually capable and successful people. The flood of such people out of South Africa into European states is the very same as the flood of such people out of California, Illinois, New York, Wisconsin, and Massachusetts plus a few other states.

    You do not have to spend much time following even liberal American media to understand that the only thing Blue State liberals give a damn about with conservative/moderate folk is their income. One cannot support all of the areas of America like Ferguson, Missouri -- where a giant was slain by a David -- without taking income from others. It is that simple.



    Most people leaving northern states do so for the weather and not economics, unless it's to retire to a cheaper place to live, because they're sure not going to make as much money in red states. California's blue areas are growing, so I don't know where you get that idea about who is moving.
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    Aug 27, 2014 5:17 AM GMT
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    conservativejock saidBlue states, for better or worse, are in the position that they champion providing income and services for those who cannot or will not act to provide income and services for themselves. The real issue in the U.S. is that wealth is transferred to those I identified above as "those who cannot or will not act to provide income and services for themselves." The U.S. is unlike Europe in that all income groups typically pay considerable taxes and ALL benefit from the taxes they have paid. In Europe, it is not so much the classic liberal notion of "transfer of wealth."

    There is a huge squabble in Austria at the moment where the top marginal income tax rate is 49%. European Union nations, like U.S. states, are competing for not only industry but migrants who are technically and intellectually capable and successful people. The flood of such people out of South Africa into European states is the very same as the flood of such people out of California, Illinois, New York, Wisconsin, and Massachusetts plus a few other states.

    You do not have to spend much time following even liberal American media to understand that the only thing Blue State liberals give a damn about with conservative/moderate folk is their income. One cannot support all of the areas of America like Ferguson, Missouri -- where a giant was slain by a David -- without taking income from others. It is that simple.



    Most people leaving northern states do so for the weather and not economics, unless it's to retire to a cheaper place to live, because they're sure not going to make as much money in red states. California's blue areas are growing, so I don't know where you get that idea about who is moving.


    You are incorrect, a majority of people leave northern states for economic reasons. Northern states high taxes and living expenses make it too costly to retire and also chokes economic development. Florida, Arizona and Texas have significantly lower taxes and cost of living. California has the largest immigrant population and spins in a world of its own.
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    Aug 27, 2014 7:53 AM GMT
    One factor to be considered:

    http://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/#methodology

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_reckoning/2012/10/25/blue_state_red_face_guess_who_benefits_more_from_your_taxes.html

    http://www.rebootillinois.com/2014/03/31/editors-picks/caitlinwilson/states-dependent-federal-government-funding-mean-state-taxes/2610/

    http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2014/03/27/which-states-take-the-most-from-the-u-s-government/

    http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/which-states-are-givers-and-which-are-takers/361668/

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/26/republican-states-most-dependent-government_n_5035877.html

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jan/26/blog-posting/red-state-socialism-graphic-says-gop-leaning-state/

    Another factor to be considered:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/25/opinion/paul-krugman-wrong-way-nation.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
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    Aug 27, 2014 12:43 PM GMT
    It should be noted that states like Texas take on a lot of emigrants from other (particularly blue) states who are seeking jobs. As a result inherit a number of welfare recipients. It does however make their net growth numbers even greater in context.

    It's a factor those like Krugman (whose columns are so easily debunked), like to ignore. What is stupefying though is that there remain liberals as noted in the links above who believe that increasing taxes and regulation will create sustainable jobs.

    This Heinlein quote bears repeating:

    Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there, now and then — are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.

    This is known as “bad luck.”