Socialist policies fail, Unemployment In Europe Is A Disaster

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    Aug 30, 2014 1:59 PM GMT
    What I find amusing is that there are some who are claiming the problem is austerity despite increasing spending and taxes. Is that what it's called when you start running out of other people's money?

    http://www.businessinsider.com.au/europe-unemployment-in-two-charts-2014-8

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  • conservativej...

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    Aug 30, 2014 2:24 PM GMT
    There are two policies facing Europe and primarily Germany that are driving the Eurozone back into recession: the first being the Socialist policies across much of the Eurozone as you mention Riddler; and the second being sanctions placed against Russia that has slowed commerce and thus growth with Russia and its partners. My personal view is NATO would have been far better off to join Putin and remove the Fascists from Ukraine. Angela Merkel in particular has zero memory of her nations past. That is very sad.
  • jaroslav123

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    Aug 30, 2014 2:24 PM GMT
    Venezuela. Norway. Denmark.

    Good-bye dear.
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    Aug 30, 2014 2:54 PM GMT
    jaroslav123 saidVenezuela. Norway. Denmark.

    Good-bye dear.


    Fine, in the case of Norway and Venezuela, we'll say oil money ;)

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/05/08/uk-norway-economy-insight-idUKKBN0DO07520140508
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    Aug 30, 2014 2:57 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    riddler78 saidWhat I find amusing is that there are some who are claiming the problem is austerity despite increasing spending and taxes. Is that what it's called when you start running out of other people's money?


    And yet the moderator of this site highlights this topic:

    Conservatives' Austerity Teeters Europe into Recession
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3899047

    on the "featured topics" of the home page! A topic that is simply a "copy and paste" job from The New York Times and a topic in which NOBODY has responded (though now that I'm pointing it out, the usual suspects here will dive in with their "agreement" with The New York Times).

    Will your topic make it onto the site home page's "featured topics" list in order to present a differing, non-liberal point of view?



    I find it's interesting when self interest is in conflict with ideological views and how people react. I think for the most part my views are consistent but in this case, I can't help but wonder if the owners are a bit concerned about the decline in traffic and its causes. I also kind of suspect the tend to add randomly with a bit of a liberal bias only because of the volume of posts from metta/woodsmen.
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    Aug 30, 2014 3:38 PM GMT
    It's misguided austerity that's hurt Europe economically, not liberalism. Instead of stimulating their economies they've stifled them.
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    Aug 30, 2014 4:00 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidIt's misguided austerity that's hurt Europe economically, not liberalism. Instead of stimulating their economies they've stifled them.


    Care to prove? This is following the failure of much promoted stimulus.
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    Aug 30, 2014 10:37 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    riddler78 said
    southbeach1500 said
    riddler78 saidWhat I find amusing is that there are some who are claiming the problem is austerity despite increasing spending and taxes. Is that what it's called when you start running out of other people's money?


    And yet the moderator of this site highlights this topic:

    Conservatives' Austerity Teeters Europe into Recession
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3899047

    on the "featured topics" of the home page! A topic that is simply a "copy and paste" job from The New York Times and a topic in which NOBODY has responded (though now that I'm pointing it out, the usual suspects here will dive in with their "agreement" with The New York Times).

    Will your topic make it onto the site home page's "featured topics" list in order to present a differing, non-liberal point of view?



    I find it's interesting when self interest is in conflict with ideological views and how people react. I think for the most part my views are consistent but in this case, I can't help but wonder if the owners are a bit concerned about the decline in traffic and its causes. I also kind of suspect the tend to add randomly with a bit of a liberal bias only because of the volume of posts from metta/woodsmen.


    Interesting theory about the motivation being the decline in site traffic.


    Oh to clarify - I think any perceived bias would continue to push traffic down...
  • tj85016

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    Aug 30, 2014 11:11 PM GMT
    ahh Europe, mankind's cradle of war
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    Aug 30, 2014 11:48 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    southbeach1500 said
    riddler78 said
    southbeach1500 said
    riddler78 saidWhat I find amusing is that there are some who are claiming the problem is austerity despite increasing spending and taxes. Is that what it's called when you start running out of other people's money?


    And yet the moderator of this site highlights this topic:

    Conservatives' Austerity Teeters Europe into Recession
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3899047

    on the "featured topics" of the home page! A topic that is simply a "copy and paste" job from The New York Times and a topic in which NOBODY has responded (though now that I'm pointing it out, the usual suspects here will dive in with their "agreement" with The New York Times).

    Will your topic make it onto the site home page's "featured topics" list in order to present a differing, non-liberal point of view?



    I find it's interesting when self interest is in conflict with ideological views and how people react. I think for the most part my views are consistent but in this case, I can't help but wonder if the owners are a bit concerned about the decline in traffic and its causes. I also kind of suspect the tend to add randomly with a bit of a liberal bias only because of the volume of posts from metta/woodsmen.


    Interesting theory about the motivation being the decline in site traffic.


    Oh to clarify - I think any perceived bias would continue to push traffic down...

    That could well be the case because most except the hard left are not too happy with this administration. The traffic could also be depressed because of the site owners' willingness to accept so much spam (Metta8/woodsmen). Many other site owners do not allow it because it inhibits the main purpose of the forum, i.e. promote discussion not just compete with Yahoo and other sites.
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    Aug 31, 2014 12:12 AM GMT
    riddler78 said
    Art_Deco saidIt's misguided austerity that's hurt Europe economically, not liberalism. Instead of stimulating their economies they've stifled them.


    Care to prove? This is following the failure of much promoted stimulus.


    Just look at the DD-AA (or IS-LM) model from your first years of economics classes.
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    Aug 31, 2014 4:52 AM GMT
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    riddler78 said
    Art_Deco saidIt's misguided austerity that's hurt Europe economically, not liberalism. Instead of stimulating their economies they've stifled them.


    Care to prove? This is following the failure of much promoted stimulus.


    Just look at the DD-AA (or IS-LM) model from your first years of economics classes.


    That assumes that government spending fell and that there was in fact "austerity". You should also see the numbers in the context of "stimulus" spending.

    Parenthetically, it doesn't appear as if you really understand the AA-DD model (which doesn't quite constitute a "proof" in itself even if there were austerity). You might want to go further back to grade 8 math ;)
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    Sep 01, 2014 5:08 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    Okajuurou said
    riddler78 said
    Art_Deco saidIt's misguided austerity that's hurt Europe economically, not liberalism. Instead of stimulating their economies they've stifled them.


    Care to prove? This is following the failure of much promoted stimulus.


    Just look at the DD-AA (or IS-LM) model from your first years of economics classes.


    That assumes that government spending fell and that there was in fact "austerity". You should also see the numbers in the context of "stimulus" spending.

    Parenthetically, it doesn't appear as if you really understand the AA-DD model (which doesn't quite constitute a "proof" in itself even if there were austerity). You might want to go further back to grade 8 math ;)


    Yet it doesn't assume the fall in government spending.
    All I wanted to say is that there was no expansionary fiscal policy implemented, as you've suggested by calling them "socialist policies". There were no such policies.

    Care to prove that austerity is the way out to full employment?
    Looking at your "pictures" of employment in EU vs USA, it is clear that implemented policies in EU did not help recovery, and not so called "socialist policies". And where did they implemented these so called "socialist policies"? and how do you define them?

    And true maybe I don't understand these models. I just don't like when people blame socialists, when they clearly have no idea what socialist means.

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    Sep 01, 2014 5:14 PM GMT
    and here, voxeu.org, please read this instead of businessinsider.com