Will Ferguson be rebuilt?

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    Aug 31, 2014 4:03 PM GMT
    At least one business says adios! Sure the cops were heavy handed... but the looters/"protesters" were even worse. How did Detroit recover after their riots?

    QuikTrip Has No Plans To Rebuild in Ferguson
    http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/blog/2014/08/quiktrip-coming-to-grips-with-destruction-of.html



  • conservativej...

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    Sep 01, 2014 3:35 PM GMT
    When an area is in the midst of 'Ghettoization,' riots and burning can be a blessing for a business owner. If the owner has solid insurance coverage in place, then with complete destruction as in the case of the Quick Trip, then funds are available to aid the store in doing what it could not justify economically prior to the riot.

    For some -- liberals not included -- you really have to laugh your ass off at idiots who burn down sections of their own neighborhood. But hey, look at Africa where it happens all the time. Just the normal past-time for some folks who think society must bend to their culture rather than them becoming a part of a culture less their issues. icon_smile.gif
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    Sep 01, 2014 4:11 PM GMT
    conservativejock saidWhen an area is in the midst of 'Ghettoization,' riots and burning can be a blessing for a business owner. If the owner has solid insurance coverage in place, then with complete destruction as in the case of the Quick Trip, then funds are available to aid the store in doing what it could not justify economically prior to the riot.

    For some -- liberals not included -- you really have to laugh your ass off at idiots who burn down sections of their own neighborhood. But hey, look at Africa where it happens all the time. Just the normal past-time for some folks who think society must bend to their culture rather than them becoming a part of a culture less their issues. icon_smile.gif


    On that point - I'll disagree. It doesn't happen all that often in Africa - and Africa is a big place with very different levels of development depending on the country. I'd also say that the development issues are very different than say the US - in nearly all cases poor countries are poor because they are suppressed by an autocratic elite with minimal property rights particularly for the poor.

    In a country like the US, the issue seems to be more an overgrown system of entitlements with idiots looking for an excuse to loot and riot. Sure there's racism and discrimination as there is in many other places. But the level of demagoguery fueled by the media is disgusting.
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    Sep 01, 2014 4:45 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    conservativejock saidWhen an area is in the midst of 'Ghettoization,' riots and burning can be a blessing for a business owner. If the owner has solid insurance coverage in place, then with complete destruction as in the case of the Quick Trip, then funds are available to aid the store in doing what it could not justify economically prior to the riot.

    For some -- liberals not included -- you really have to laugh your ass off at idiots who burn down sections of their own neighborhood. But hey, look at Africa where it happens all the time. Just the normal past-time for some folks who think society must bend to their culture rather than them becoming a part of a culture less their issues. icon_smile.gif


    On that point - I'll disagree. It doesn't happen all that often in Africa - and Africa is a big place with very different levels of development depending on the country. I'd also say that the development issues are very different than say the US - in nearly all cases poor countries are poor because they are suppressed by an autocratic elite with minimal property rights particularly for the poor.

    In a country like the US, the issue seems to be more an overgrown system of entitlements with idiots looking for an excuse to loot and riot. Sure there's racism and discrimination as there is in many other places. But the level of demagoguery fueled by the media is disgusting.


    +1!
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    Sep 01, 2014 6:10 PM GMT
    i think the rest of the businesses should just leave as well. Obviously the community is so upset about the death of someone that stealing a tv is the only way to cope.

    They can leave it a wasteland. Maybe if they lower the tax rate BK will come into town .
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    Sep 01, 2014 7:20 PM GMT
    conservativejock saidWhen an area is in the midst of 'Ghettoization,' riots and burning can be a blessing for a business owner. If the owner has solid insurance coverage in place, then with complete destruction as in the case of the Quick Trip, then funds are available to aid the store in doing what it could not justify economically prior to the riot.

    For some -- liberals not included -- you really have to laugh your ass off at idiots who burn down sections of their own neighborhood. But hey, look at Africa where it happens all the time. Just the normal past-time for some folks who think society must bend to their culture rather than them becoming a part of a culture less their issues. icon_smile.gif


    Are they really burning down their own neighborhood? According to news reports, many of the the rioters are from outside of the area and the locals are trying to prevent the violence.

    It may be some time before we learn what the actual situation is. Perhaps we will never know. However, it is important to avoid jumping to conclusions.
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    Sep 02, 2014 10:01 PM GMT
    conservativejock saidWhen an area is in the midst of 'Ghettoization,' riots and burning can be a blessing for a business owner. If the owner has solid insurance coverage in place, then with complete destruction as in the case of the Quick Trip, then funds are available to aid the store in doing what it could not justify economically prior to the riot.

    For some -- liberals not included -- you really have to laugh your ass off at idiots who burn down sections of their own neighborhood. But hey, look at Africa where it happens all the time. Just the normal past-time for some folks who think society must bend to their culture rather than them becoming a part of a culture less their issues. icon_smile.gif


    Or you could laugh your ass off at conservatives who are too stupid to realize that the majority of people who loot during protests are career criminals who come in from outside the community (outside of the the state in many cases) to take advantage of civil unrest.

    There were also a fuck ton of communist agitators there just like there were at the Trayvon Martin protests.

    So they're not burning down their own communities dumbass. Don't believe everything you see on hannity.
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    Sep 02, 2014 11:51 PM GMT
    I love reading the horrible comments from white, gay men on this site. It gives me faith in humanity....
  • conservativej...

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    Sep 02, 2014 11:58 PM GMT
    The most interesting first taken by a volunteer assisting with the Ebola outbreak. Here, Liberian soldiers patrol to prevent looters from taking items infected with Ebola.

    photo CDC_Liberia-Looting_Items_infected_With_Ebola_zps76b955d9.jpg

    Looting in South Africa, democracy you say? No doubt it is the group who infected Ferguson, Missouri.

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    Rwanda. The trusty French Foreign Legion soldier apprehends .................................................. a looter.

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    Johannesburg looters truly show class. A smaller flash mob if you will.

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    Sep 03, 2014 12:18 AM GMT
    Why foreign shops were targeted

    Zamdela [South Africa] residents say foreign shop owners were targeted during this week’s protests because they do not give back to the community.

    Zakia Motloung, who sells fruit, vegetables and sweets at a street corner in the township, said Somali, Bangladeshi and Pakistani shop owners don’t assist the communities from which they make money.

    “Other shop owners assist when there are funerals around the neighbourhood and we protected them when people were looting this week,” Motloung told City Press.

    He said foreign shop owners did not pay taxes or contribute to community initiatives, such as sponsoring local sports teams and schools.

    “The profits made by the foreign nationals are enjoyed in their countries,” Motloung said.

    As if to show that he was not xenophobic, Motloung shares the modest space from which he sells with a Mozambican national from Beira, who is the local shoemaker.

    Motloung said the reason foreign-owned shops were looted is because the owners live a good life but did not join the protests like other Zamdela residents.

    “They took our shops, but they don’t want to help us. They don’t even help the people in the townships in which they live,” he said.

    Motloung said to show that looting was not the motive behind the protests, residents responded positively to a plea by the community radio station, Karabo FM, to clean up the streets on Wednesday.

    “We did this because we wanted to show that our protest was noble,” Motloung added.

    Echoing the common thread of the protests, he said Free State Premier Ace Magashule was not in a position to think for Zamdela residents.

    “We are trying to fight poverty, but Ace is increasing it by merging the municipalities,” Motloung said.

    He said the merger of the Metsimaholo and Ngwathe municipalities would also increase crime.

    Motloung’s friend, John Mazwi, agreed: “Ace caused this problem, no other person.”

    Magashule has been warned to come to Zamdela and prove to residents that the proposed merger has been cancelled or risk another round of violent protests, according to another resident, Mohau Mokoena.

    Motloung claimed: “No son will have control over his father. Parys wants to lord it over Sasolburg, but it’s small.”

    But Cooperative Governance and Traditional Affairs Minister Richard Baloyi blamed the violence on criminal elements, claiming they had hijacked a genuine community protest to “spice it up”.

    According to the Consortium for Refugees and Migrants in SA, the past weeks’ xenophobic attacks on foreign shop owners were not the first to have taken place in the townships.

    In May 2010, more than 1 000 residents looted 11 foreign-owned businesses for two nights after a Somali national stabbed a local man.

    Some foreign shop owners have been targets of similar violence on three occasions in other parts of the country.

    They had relocated to Sasolburg in an effort to escape such violence.

    Free State police spokesperson Colonel Motantsi Makhele said 23 people were arrested this week for possession of stolen property.

    The group appeared at the Sasolburg Magistrates’ Court on Thursday and were remanded into custody, according to Makhele.

    “They’ll appear again tomorrow and on Thursday because it’s a large group,” he said.

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    Sep 03, 2014 12:42 AM GMT
    DEKIRUMAN said
    conservativejock saidWhen an area is in the midst of 'Ghettoization,' riots and burning can be a blessing for a business owner. If the owner has solid insurance coverage in place, then with complete destruction as in the case of the Quick Trip, then funds are available to aid the store in doing what it could not justify economically prior to the riot.

    For some -- liberals not included -- you really have to laugh your ass off at idiots who burn down sections of their own neighborhood. But hey, look at Africa where it happens all the time. Just the normal past-time for some folks who think society must bend to their culture rather than them becoming a part of a culture less their issues. icon_smile.gif


    Or you could laugh your ass off at conservatives who are too stupid to realize that the majority of people who loot during protests are career criminals who come in from outside the community (outside of the the state in many cases) to take advantage of civil unrest.

    There were also a fuck ton of communist agitators there just like there were at the Trayvon Martin protests.

    So they're not burning down their own communities dumbass. Don't believe everything you see on hannity.



    Most of the Vancouver hockey riot looters were white or asian, and they were almost all from the city itself (or the lower mainland which is practically Vancouver).

    You have a valid point in that the looters aren't necessarily the same people protesting (or rioting). Looters look for chaos so they can carry out their thievery.

    Looters gonna loot. It doesn't matter what the chaotic event is about, they're going to do it anyways.
  • conservativej...

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    Sep 03, 2014 9:00 PM GMT
    A link to the Ferguson arrest logs:

    http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2014/images/08/22/arrest.data.from.8-10.to.8-22.pdf
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    conservativejock saidA link to the Ferguson arrest logs:

    http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2014/images/08/22/arrest.data.from.8-10.to.8-22.pdf


    Dude just go away. Your comments are about as relevant as your profile. All you did was say something that wasn't true, followed by some tangent about Africa that has nothing to do with the issue at hand. Please just do back to driving in your imaginary Bentley and walking through mansions or whatever the fuck it is you pretend to do. You're wasting space that could be used to host intelligent dialogue.
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    Sep 04, 2014 12:42 AM GMT
    Ferguson residents are taking the right steps to rebuild their community.

    They are demanding justice.

    http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/article_88e0067c-d3e6-5599-a581-a58d0022f1f8.html#.VAOw1QO4ID8.twitter

    'Ferguson police are using body cameras'

    A Good First Step!
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    Sep 04, 2014 9:04 PM GMT
    DEKIRUMAN said
    conservativejock saidWhen an area is in the midst of 'Ghettoization,' riots and burning can be a blessing for a business owner. If the owner has solid insurance coverage in place, then with complete destruction as in the case of the Quick Trip, then funds are available to aid the store in doing what it could not justify economically prior to the riot.

    For some -- liberals not included -- you really have to laugh your ass off at idiots who burn down sections of their own neighborhood. But hey, look at Africa where it happens all the time. Just the normal past-time for some folks who think society must bend to their culture rather than them becoming a part of a culture less their issues. icon_smile.gif


    Or you could laugh your ass off at conservatives who are too stupid to realize that the majority of people who loot during protests are career criminals who come in from outside the community (outside of the the state in many cases) to take advantage of civil unrest.

    There were also a fuck ton of communist agitators there just like there were at the Trayvon Martin protests.

    So they're not burning down their own communities dumbass. Don't believe everything you see on hannity.


    Someone pee in your watermelon patch or something today?
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    Sep 05, 2014 2:21 PM GMT
    bishop65 saidI love reading the horrible comments from white, gay men on this site. It gives me faith in humanity....



    ..one is Asian. The others white. But please don't lump the rest of us in with them. icon_wink.gif
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    Sep 16, 2014 1:55 AM GMT
    bishop65 saidI love reading the horrible comments from white, gay men on this site. It gives me faith in humanity....


    +1. Note the race and location of the OP. It leaves me scratching my head.

    What he meant to say was, "Sure the cops were heavy handed... but the looters/"protesters" were even worse because we all know blacks are programmed that way. How did Detroit recover after their riots?
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    Sep 16, 2014 2:24 AM GMT
    credo said
    bishop65 saidI love reading the horrible comments from white, gay men on this site. It gives me faith in humanity....


    +1. Note the race and location of the OP. It leaves me scratching my head.

    What he meant to say was, "Sure the cops were heavy handed... but the looters/"protesters" were even worse because we all know blacks are programmed that way. How did Detroit recover after their riots?



    I agree with both of you. That is my translation as well.

    Conservativejock, your position strikes me as overtly racist. Do you really believe that looting is strictly a black problem?