Need career/job advice? What are the social norms placed on the workforce nowadays?

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    Sep 01, 2014 9:56 AM GMT
    So basically, I've graduated from my Diploma of Graphic Design. I'm really good at Graphic/web and photography. Issue is.. I've applied for over 100 jobs, with nothing to be heard back. So I'm realizing my expectations of leaving school and not finding work has hit me hard.

    I'm so conflicted as well, I would love a small Barista job. I love making coffee, however whenever I go to hand in my resume I get told "Apply online" However you can't apply unless there is an opening, and even where you apply for job openings. You have to fill out a whole profile for a job search engine only to hear nothing back. I'm confused on what to do, I may mention I have a job at McDonald's at the moment, however being 21 now and working there for seven years I would like to try something new.

    I would love to start freelancing, but unfortunately it's so hard to find freelance work. I keep researching and researching but I keep getting dead ends. "network, network, network" issue is, how do you network when you don't even have friends?

    I send my resume and cover letter along with my portfolio, my dream is graphic design. but a full time job for now would be fine. my portfolio is on my website christoffdesigns.com
    any feedback is welcome

    So yeah, just looking for advice guys! Thanks!
  • AbvAvgJoe

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    Sep 01, 2014 4:43 PM GMT
    Chris, I looked at your website. The online portfolio that you have is a combination of designs and photos. I was having a hard time expanding the items. Do you include a description of them and what your involvement in each of the projects was? I think that is important so that the viewer becomes familiar with your talent and interests. I'd post your resume on the website too, if you are using this as a means of presenting yourself to potential employers.

    For networking, have you tried a professional organization like AIGA or another similar group? Most professional orgs have student groups too. You can also try connecting with a career office at your school. Even if you have already graduated, they may have resources available to help you.

    For freelance work, how about sites like Fiverr.com? It's competitive and you may not make a lot of money, but you will always compete with other designers for work and this would get you some experience.

    Just thoughts. Good luck!
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    Sep 01, 2014 4:50 PM GMT
    Most important thing is to be sure your boss's wife doesn't find out he is paying for your apartment and that you have a set of keys to his Jaguar.

    And make sure that your boss doesn't find out that a guitar player you met at a dive bar stays at your place 3 nights a week.
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    Sep 01, 2014 5:14 PM GMT
    Hey bud, I was in the same boat as you when I graduated design school.

    First, your website needs to have your resume.

    Second you need to expand on your projects. One poster or one print piece for each project isn't going to cut it. Design studios are looking to see if you can conceptually create a brand and then use that brand for everything the business needs.

    Here's an example of a portfolio just because he's been one of my proffesors in school and is badass.

    https://www.behance.net/pdrohan

    These are the type of people you compete against when you leave school, so you need to be up to their standards.

    Third, I would change your website so you can at least write a few things about each project, what you did, what was the concept, etc. Behance is a great place for a free portfolio website and is perfectly acceptable to show.

    Fourth, I would tell you to seek paid internships to get experience in the field. A lot of studios seek people with experience because they don't want to take a chance on someone that they dont know the work habit of.

    Fifth, I suggest redoing all your projects, when I left school I redid all my projects for my portfolio. Do some cool shit. I suggest you hit the basics, print, web, packaging, etc. I see that you have photography in your website, that should either be in another website or in just one category of your site.

    If you need me to expand on anything else, just message me.
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    Sep 01, 2014 6:22 PM GMT
    "Social norms"??? WTF.
  • SilverRRCloud

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    Sep 01, 2014 6:27 PM GMT
    True. Expanding some of your pix ain't really working.

    The stuff is good. But you have not enhanced its commercial potential. Web is full of pretty pix. You need a bit more to it.

    It is a good idea to show some project development stages. Avoid the possible impression that you are simply a talented guy who does not bring the things to their full fruition.

    Avoid the hotmail/gmail/yahoo mail account. zoho.com provided .com limited mail for free.

    Try going multilingual, so that you talk to more people.

    Connect with your school buddies, and see what they are doing at the moment. Someone may need a hand or twoicon_surprised.gif .

    SC
  • FRE0

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    Sep 01, 2014 6:38 PM GMT
    If your school was a good one, it will provide advice and help with job seeking. Have you asked?
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    Sep 01, 2014 6:48 PM GMT
    You can always make money online.

    http://stocklogos.com/ for selling logo designs.


    http://www.deviantart.com/ for making commissions like photo manpulations or illustrations.
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    Sep 01, 2014 8:25 PM GMT
    I understand what you're going through. I experienced some of this myself, although not in the Graphic Design field. I think one of the problems with US employers today is that they make candidates jump through a lot of hoops (like screening test, personality test, internship, portfolio, 1,2,3rd interviews Lol ...in every field). It seems like they want a perfect candidate with experience and offer average/little pay. Anyway, back to topic, Just keep asking around. I haven't had luck in this *networking aspect either so I'd just say keep trying, don't give up. Don't settle for crap stuff people throw at you. Consider moving to a bigger city where Graphic Design is a major job hub.
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    Sep 01, 2014 8:55 PM GMT
    From reading his profile, I think he needs to cut back on the caffeine first. icon_lol.gif
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    Sep 02, 2014 2:45 AM GMT
    Consider relocating.

    Alberta and North Dakota have pretty much guaranteed work right now in many fields.
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    Sep 02, 2014 7:17 AM GMT
    SeismicMuscle saidConsider relocating.

    Alberta and North Dakota have pretty much guaranteed work right now in many fields.


    Are there any homos there? Lol Small town boys always move to the big city. I have a city boy mentality, don't think I can survive the country for that long. Lol...good suggestions though.icon_biggrin.gif
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    Sep 02, 2014 11:37 AM GMT
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    Cash saidMost important thing is to be sure your boss's wife doesn't find out he is paying for your apartment and that you have a set of keys to his Jaguar.

    And make sure that your boss doesn't find out that a guitar player you met at a dive bar stays at your place 3 nights a week.


    Speaking from experience obviously. Mind you that was years ago when you had your youth to offer, now your a washed up alcoholic old queen.


    And still somehow more desirable and relevant than someone like you could ever hope to be.

    Funny world ain't it?

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    Sep 02, 2014 1:10 PM GMT
    LAXWill10 said
    SeismicMuscle saidConsider relocating.

    Alberta and North Dakota have pretty much guaranteed work right now in many fields.


    Are there any homos there? Lol Small town boys always move to the big city. I have a city boy mentality, don't think I can survive the country for that long. Lol...good suggestions though.icon_biggrin.gif


    There are lots of Man Camps.
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    Sep 02, 2014 4:27 PM GMT
    OP can you not do voluntary work in the meantime so can you get some proper work experience for your C.V ?

    Aren't charities etc in need of web/graphic designers ?
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    Sep 02, 2014 6:49 PM GMT
    whateveryo saidOP can you not do voluntary work in the meantime so can you get some proper work experience for your C.V ?

    Aren't charities etc in need of web/graphic designers ?

    Yes, this is my standard response to this type of question. Do free work for non-profits and that will build up your resume and give you experience working with companies; that's what you need right now. It will also give you more real projects to show in your portfolio.
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    Sep 03, 2014 11:34 AM GMT
    The social norms now are that if you are under 25, you don't get wages. Also, you are unlikely to be promoted or get an interview for a new job. I miss 2003 when it was incredibly easy to get interviews.
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    Sep 04, 2014 5:47 AM GMT
    Ohno saidThe social norms now are that if you are under 25, you don't get wages. Also, you are unlikely to be promoted or get an interview for a new job. I miss 2003 when it was incredibly easy to get interviews.


    Agreed, most guys under 25 are very under-employed. Time changed for sure! back in the pre-recession days, it was so much easier to nail an interview/job. Now, you have to jump through many hoops to land a great job. Sad but true.
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    Sep 04, 2014 5:52 AM GMT
    Jack_NNJ said
    LAXWill10 said
    SeismicMuscle saidConsider relocating.

    Alberta and North Dakota have pretty much guaranteed work right now in many fields.


    Are there any homos there? Lol Small town boys always move to the big city. I have a city boy mentality, don't think I can survive the country for that long. Lol...good suggestions though.icon_biggrin.gif


    There are lots of Man Camps.


    Lol this answer reminded me of the sex scene in Brokeback Mountain, how very Heath and Jake, so Brokeback Bro !! icon_redface.gificon_eek.gif