Do you restrict your calories?

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    Sep 01, 2014 4:35 PM GMT
    Do you choose what to eat and not to eat and follow certain diets just to gain more muscle/lose fat ?

    If you do what are you restricting yourself of?

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    I am very curious. DO YOU COOK FOR YOURSELF?



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    Sep 01, 2014 4:42 PM GMT
    I only restrict my grains like no white bread, white pasta and no white rice and sugar like I only really get sugar from natural sources like fruit and milk etc. (if I'm in a restaurant I do have dessert though)

    I eat pretty much everything else.
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    Sep 01, 2014 4:43 PM GMT
    Restricting calories is often far less important than restricting the KIND of calories you take in.

    If you are regularly working out you can often eat as much as you like - assuming you are eating clean.

    No one ever got fat off of vegetables. Banana cream pie is another story.

    If you are looking to build muscle you need lots of protein.

    Once you rev up your metabolism you can burn off just about anything.

    You should never go hungry, but avoid crap food and eating out of boredom.

    And Dannyboy is absolutely correct - white food in general should be avoided. Rice, bread, pasta. Whole grains shouldn't be a problem and will supply energy for heavy workouts.
  • Jon_Alex

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    Sep 01, 2014 5:08 PM GMT
    Nothing wrong with pasta or rice. People have eaten those things for millennia without issue. The problem is that we tend to eat too much of them now because they're easy. You really think all these people are suddenly gluten sensitive... Or is it more likely we as a society are simply stuffing our faces and then complaining that bread makes us fat?

    I'm a believer in eating pretty much everything. I think one of the reasons why so many are overweight today is because they never allow themselves to go hungry. The day is like one constant indulgent meal, but they are eating crap food and consequently feeling horrible about their lives. It's not about counting calories. It's about a different attitude toward food.

    I'm not trying to gain tons of mass, so as a naturally thin person I don't worry about packing in the fat and carbs to turn it into mass. That's what you do if you're thin and having trouble gaining mass. If overweight then you cut fat and up protein to shed the excess.

    Some of my reminders:
    1. Added sugar is pretty much my only true enemy
    2. Beer is great but I don't make it a habit
    3. Eating less early in the day and saving your main meals until later makes it easier to eat less psychologically, if that's what you're after.
    4. There's nothing wrong with going a little hungry and then indulging in a great quality meal.
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    Sep 01, 2014 5:27 PM GMT
    Jon_Alex saidNothing wrong with pasta or rice. People have eaten those things for millennia without issue. The problem is that we tend to eat too much of them now because they're easy. You really think all these people are suddenly gluten sensitive... Or is it more likely we as a society are simply stuffing our faces and then complaining that bread makes us fat?

    I'm a believer in eating pretty much everything. I think one of the reasons why so many are overweight today is because they never allow themselves to go hungry. The day is like one constant indulgent meal, but they are eating crap food and consequently feeling horrible about their lives. It's not about counting calories. It's about a different attitude toward food.

    I'm not trying to gain tons of mass, so as a naturally thin person I don't worry about packing in the fat and carbs to turn it into mass. That's what you do if you're thin and having trouble gaining mass. If overweight then you cut fat and up protein to shed the excess.

    Some of my reminders:
    1. Added sugar is pretty much my only true enemy
    2. Beer is great but I don't make it a habit
    3. Eating less early in the day and saving your main meals until later makes it easier to eat less psychologically, if that's what you're after.
    4. There's nothing wrong with going a little hungry and then indulging in a great quality meal.


    It is WHITE rice and pasta that are potentially problematic. Brown rice and whole grain pasta shouldn't be a problem. White rice and pasta have similar effects as eating refined sugar.

    If one is comfortable feeling hungry, I guess that is fine but I truly don't see the point of it.

    To the OP - having the ability to prepare food and cook for yourself is ENORMOUSLY helpful.
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    Sep 01, 2014 5:39 PM GMT
    Cash said

    It is WHITE rice and pasta that are potentially problematic. Brown rice and whole grain pasta shouldn't be a problem. White rice and pasta have similar effects as eating refined sugar.

    If one is comfortable feeling hungry, I guess that is fine but I truly don't see the point of it.

    To the OP - having the ability to prepare food and cook for yourself is ENORMOUSLY helpful.



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    Sep 01, 2014 5:53 PM GMT
    morphic said
    Cash said

    It is WHITE rice and pasta that are potentially problematic. Brown rice and whole grain pasta shouldn't be a problem. White rice and pasta have similar effects as eating refined sugar.

    If one is comfortable feeling hungry, I guess that is fine but I truly don't see the point of it.

    To the OP - having the ability to prepare food and cook for yourself is ENORMOUSLY helpful.



    http://www.aworkoutroutine.com/brown-rice-vs-white-rice/


    There will be studies, articles, opinions and anecdotal evidence on both sides of this particular fence.

    In My personal and admittedly somewhat limited experience, everyone I have known or seen who had the type of body that I wanted to achieve has invariably avoided white food and refined sugar.

    Ones goals should also be kept in mind when choosing any diet regimen.
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    Sep 01, 2014 7:02 PM GMT
    I've never been a big eater, always a nosher which coincidentally happens to be the way to go, a little at a time throughout the day instead of a few heavy meals. So too many calories has never been my problem, only the type of calories. When I wind up with a weight problem--never obese, just overweight--it isn't by how much I eat but because when shit hits the fan, usually involving death of loved ones & subsequent depression, I default to sweets, thinking this Mallomar is going to make life better again.

    I've a good friend who exercises regularly, is real good with various forms of yoga, yet he's huge. Excellent range of motion for a fat man though he's finally working on his weight problem. The stunning thing about it is to watch him eat. I've never seen someone shovel so much food at one sitting. He's a fucking vacuum cleaner at the table.

    So there are those two aspects of calories to regulate: type and amount. To help with amount, and possibly why I never noticed myself go hungry, besides my snacking, is that I tend to like healthy foods. I don't eat fatty meats, fried crap, none of that. Instead I love fruits and nuts. So I tend to get the good fibers which I later learned slows down the digestive system so probably has kept me from feeling hungry even when I don't eat much at meals.

    Also, as I aged, I started using also a fiber supplement, putting psyllium husk into my protein/fruit/yogurt smoothies. Many people from what I've read seem to think that any fiber slows the system but actually one slows while the other speeds it up (ya need both) and here's that info...

    http://www.webmd.com/diet/fiber-health-benefits-11/fiber-digestion
    Healthy Fiber Basics

    Fiber is the general name for material in vegetables, fruits, and grains that our bodies can't digest fully.

    There are two terms used to describe fiber:

    Soluble fiber breaks down into a gel in the intestines. As it passes through your GI tract, soluble fiber absorbs water and slows down digestion. Soluble fiber is found in oatmeal, nuts, beans, apples, and blueberries.

    Insoluble fiber doesn’t really break down in the intestines. It passes through the body mostly intact.

    Insoluble fiber speeds up digestion -- it causes what experts call "intestinal hurry." Insoluble fiber is in foods like seeds, grains, and the stringy parts or skins of fruits and vegetables.

    For general digestive health, it’s important to get plenty of both kinds of fiber

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    Sep 01, 2014 7:23 PM GMT
    I planned my diet for the entire of 2014 during December of last year and have varied from it only a handful of times due to staying with friends or eating out at a work event.
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    Sep 01, 2014 7:38 PM GMT
    I do not cook for myself ( rarely ) and eat pretty much whatever I want, I was just wondering do some people torture themselves with another new hype diet or healthy foods

    I love cheescake, coke and pizza
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    Sep 01, 2014 7:42 PM GMT
    I try to eat healthy but watch my portions, not a big calorie counter here. I weight train twice per week and cardio three times per week. I believe that is good enough for me, I am not trying to look like a Ken doll or a Men's Health cover modelicon_lol.gif
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    Sep 01, 2014 7:58 PM GMT
    atlanticshore saidI do not cook for myself ( rarely ) and eat pretty much whatever I want, I was just wondering do some people torture themselves with another new hype diet or healthy foods

    I love cheescake, coke and pizza

    haha... I just looked at your pics and kudos for having a decent body at 18. Right now you're given a pass and can perhaps get away with Cheesecake, Coke and Pizza.

    At some point, that's all going to catch up with you and the double chin will appear, as well as about 4-6 more inches on your waist.
    No worries, you still have time to be a kid, but word to the Mutha.... Not forever!

    You might can still enjoy some pizza, but unless you are naturally skinny and have a hard time putting on muscle, it's going to catch up with you.

    Trust and believe.
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    Sep 01, 2014 8:18 PM GMT
    I pretty much eat whatever I want. Macros, micros, I-dont-give-a-fuck-o. As long as you're aware of the calories you consume and exercise accordingly, you won't turn into Jabba The Hut.

    This is probably an extreme example, but Michael Phelps pretty much ate like shit. But he trained hard and used calories as fuel.

    http://blogs.wsj.com/health/2008/08/13/the-michael-phelps-diet-dont-try-it-at-home/

    Breakfast: Three fried-egg sandwiches loaded with cheese, lettuce, tomatoes, fried onions and mayonnaise. Two cups of coffee. One five-egg omelet. One bowl of grits. Three slices of French toast topped with powdered sugar. Three chocolate-chip pancakes.

    Lunch: One pound of enriched pasta. Two large ham and cheese sandwiches with mayo on white bread. Energy drinks packing 1,000 calories.

    Dinner: One pound of pasta. An entire pizza. More energy drinks.


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    Same with Takeru Kobayashi back in his competition days.



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    Sep 01, 2014 10:19 PM GMT
    I eat a pretty restricted diet, lost a bunch of weight. and gotten use to it. I have had to increase my eating sometimes to not be hungry. Even with a sprained ankle and no cardio, a lost a few pounds more. I am thinking I may have to change my diet and eat more if I think I am becoming underweight but I am OK now. A lot easier to gain then to lose.
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    Sep 01, 2014 10:31 PM GMT
    Never.
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    Sep 01, 2014 10:37 PM GMT
    I try to stick with high protien (lots of lean meat), a mix of vegetables (daily, keep it interesting) and clean carbs (brown rice, yams). I try to avoid anything processed and simple carbs like white rice or bread.
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    Sep 01, 2014 10:46 PM GMT
    Cash saidRestricting calories is often far less important than restricting the KIND of calories you take in.

    If you are regularly working out you can often eat as much as you like - assuming you are eating clean.

    No one ever got fat off of vegetables. Banana cream pie is another story.

    If you are looking to build muscle you need lots of protein.

    Once you rev up your metabolism you can burn off just about anything.

    You should never go hungry, but avoid crap food and eating out of boredom.

    And Dannyboy is absolutely correct - white food in general should be avoided. Rice, bread, pasta. Whole grains shouldn't be a problem and will supply energy for heavy workouts.


    ^^ Bingo. I second this entire post.

    Jon_Alex saidNothing wrong with pasta or rice. People have eaten those things for millennia without issue.


    As cash pointed out, it's white pasta/bread/rice that are the problem.

    And it's not really correct to compare today to what people did 1000 or 3000 years ago; people also had shorter life spans then and shorter statures. No, white carbs are not toxic, but they're fattening, particularly in combination to today's sedentary lifestyles, and especially if you want a beach body. OTOH, if you wanna be "skinny fat", thin with low muscle mass but still considerable flab when you remove your shirt, then go ahead and eat the white carbs.

    Just to clarify something about what people ate for millenia: centuries ago, white bread/rice/pasta were a luxury; the poor ate whole grains. In the pre-mechanized world, it took a lot of labor to remove the bran from the grain and produce a purely white grain. Poor people didn't have the time to do that, nor the money to pay someone to do that. The rich did. Of course, the very wealthy were often fat...from European nobility to Chinese emperors.

    Jon_Alex said
    I'm a believer in eating pretty much everything. I think one of the reasons why so many are overweight today is because they never allow themselves to go hungry.


    Awful, awful, awful advice. You should never allow yourself to go too hungry. Provided you're also active, and that you don't eat crap, you should always have something when you're hungry. Starving yourself actually fucks up your metabolism. Your body will burn muscle and try to preserve its fat.

    The problem isn't that people eat when they're hungry. It's that they eat crap when they eat. I have an obese friend that wants to lose weight, and despite the advice I've given her, she insists on having "cheat meals" every fucking time I'm around her, and she'll snack on cupcakes, ice cream, cookies, whatever the fuck she finds, in between meals.
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    Cash saidRestricting calories is often far less important than restricting the KIND of calories you take in.

    If you are regularly working out you can often eat as much as you like - assuming you are eating clean.

    No one ever got fat off of vegetables. Banana cream pie is another story.

    If you are looking to build muscle you need lots of protein.

    Once you rev up your metabolism you can burn off just about anything.

    You should never go hungry, but avoid crap food and eating out of boredom.

    And Dannyboy is absolutely correct - white food in general should be avoided. Rice, bread, pasta. Whole grains shouldn't be a problem and will supply energy for heavy workouts.


    ^^ Bingo. I second this entire post.

    Jon_Alex saidNothing wrong with pasta or rice. People have eaten those things for millennia without issue.


    As cash pointed out, it's white pasta/bread/rice that are the problem.

    And it's not really correct to compare today to what people did 1000 years ago; people also had shorter life spans then. No, white carbs are not toxic, but they're fattening, particularly in combination to today's sedentary lifestyles, and especially if you want a beach body. OTOH, if you wanna be "skinny fat", thin with low muscle mass but still considerable flab when you remove your shirt, then go ahead and eat the white carbs.

    Just to clarify something about what people ate for millenia: centuries ago, white bread/rice/pasta were a luxury; the poor ate whole grains. In the pre-mechanized world, it took a lot of labor to remove the bran from the grain and produce a purely white grain. Poor people didn't have the time to do that, nor the money to pay someone to do that. The rich did. Of course, the very wealthy were often fat.

    Jon_Alex said
    I'm a believer in eating pretty much everything. I think one of the reasons why so many are overweight today is because they never allow themselves to go hungry.


    Awful, awful, awful advice. You should never allow yourself to go too hungry. Provided you're also active, and that you don't eat crap, you should always have something when you're hungry. Starving yourself actually fucks up your metabolism. Your body will burn muscle and try to preserve its fat.

    The problem isn't that people eat when they're hungry. It's that they eat crap when they eat. I have an obese friend that wants to lose weight, and despite the advice I've given her, she insists on having "cheat meals" every fucking time I'm around her, and she'll snack on cupcakes, ice cream, cookies, whatever the fuck she finds, in between meals.


    Agreed with pretty much all of this and it's also worth adding that people eat too much and drink not enough. Some how people confuse hunger for thirst. If I'm hungry I have a some water and then if I'm still hungry I eat but a lot of the time the water was enough.

    I can't remember the percentages but I think it was approx 70% of Americans don't drink in enough water/are dehydrated. (I know I'm British but I could only find American studies although I imagine the British number is very similar to that) It sounds ridiculous but I know people who don't drink one glass of water all day sometimes. They have cola, orange juice, coffee etc and they do eat a lot so surprise surprise they are kinda fat.
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    Sep 01, 2014 11:22 PM GMT
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    I can't remember the percentages but I think it was approx 70% of Americans don't drink in enough water/are dehydrated. (I know I'm British but I could only find American studies although I imagine the British number is very similar to that) It sounds ridiculous but I know people who don't drink one glass of water all day sometimes. They have cola, orange juice, coffee etc and they do eat a lot so surprise surprise they are kinda fat.


    Well soda, juice, coffee, etc, contain water. So people do indeed drink water and they're not going dehydrated. The problem, however, is that these beverages are sweetened with massive amounts of sugar, which is fattening.

    Even juice contains a lot of sugar. Fruit naturally contains a small amount of sugar, but that small amount isn't fattening. Plus, the fiber in the fruit is believed to counteract the caloric effects that the fruit's sugar may have. However, a glass of orange juice contains the sugar of several oranges, and without the counteracting effect from fiber. So, juice is fattening. Add to the fact that most industrialized orange juice also contains added sugar to make up for the natural sugar lost in the industrial process, and regulations in the US do not require industry to list this "replenishment sugar" to be listed as an ingredient on the nutrition label.

    So, ditch the Tropicana or Naked Juice or what not, and have an actual orange. Or at least freshly-squeezed OJ, but in small amounts.
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    Sep 01, 2014 11:30 PM GMT
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    dannyboyUK said

    I can't remember the percentages but I think it was approx 70% of Americans don't drink in enough water/are dehydrated. (I know I'm British but I could only find American studies although I imagine the British number is very similar to that) It sounds ridiculous but I know people who don't drink one glass of water all day sometimes. They have cola, orange juice, coffee etc and they do eat a lot so surprise surprise they are kinda fat.


    Well soda, juice, coffee, etc, contain water. So people do indeed drink water and they're not going dehydrated. The problem, however, is that these beverages are sweetened with massive amounts of sugar, which is fattening.

    Even juice contains a lot of sugar. Fruit naturally contains a small amount of sugar, but that small amount isn't fattening. Plus, the fiber in the fruit is believed to counteract the caloric effects that the fruit's sugar may have. However, a glass of orange juice contains the sugar of several oranges, and without the counteracting effect from fiber. So, juice is fattening. Add to the fact that most industrialized orange juice also contains added sugar to make up for the natural sugar lost in the industrial process, and regulations in the US do not require industry to list this "replenishment sugar" to be listed as an ingredient on the nutrition label.

    So, ditch the Tropicana or Naked Juice or what not, and have an actual orange. Or at least freshly-squeezed OJ, but in small amounts.


    Yes people are getting some water but they are still not drinking enough. I had to do a presentation about this at university and I referenced a few studies that all pointed to the fact the water in food and juices etc in most cases isn't enough and that people do need to drink more.
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    Sep 01, 2014 11:47 PM GMT
    Yes been on a diet since Feb.Lost 21 pounds.I am a short dude 5'6 and a gain of a few pounds show on me fast.It is hard for short people to stay trim lol.I was skinny as hell when I was younger.Down to 150 now.Might try to lose 3 more but I am satisfied.icon_smile.gif Ryan
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    Sep 02, 2014 1:59 AM GMT
    I never said starving yourself.

    And last time I checked there's nothing wrong with white rice either. Eat it every time I have sushi. It's delicious. Asians eat it as their base and they've got the lowest incidence of cardiovascular disease in the world. It's all relative. I just don't understand this ruling out of certain foods.

    It doesn't take an Einstein to figure this out. You can eat what people generally have eaten historically. Just do it with common sense and moderation.

    In other words, all this scheduling and restriction of certain foods is ridiculous IMO. This is what body builders do, but no one ever said that was the healthiest lifestyle either. I don't understand the pursuit of sheer bulk for its own sake. A little is ok, but what I'm preaching here is balance...
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    Sep 02, 2014 2:30 AM GMT
    It's not very easy for people like me with gastrointestinal problems to be picky about how many calories are consumed. On certain days, especially when I'm feeling active and have no nausea, I'll down 3,000 calories and probably burn it all away. Other days, especially when I have any gut inflammation, I won't be able to eat more than a few mouthfuls because my body is processing super slowly.

    I eat healthy most of the time, but most days I do require more calories than the average person just to have energy. I try to make those calories count, but sometimes I need the quick calories that only fats and sugar can provide, else I'd end up looking like a skinned fish icon_lol.gif
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    Jon_Alex saidI never said starving yourself.

    And last time I checked there's nothing wrong with white rice either. Eat it every time I have sushi. It's delicious. Asians eat it as their base and they've got the lowest incidence of cardiovascular disease in the world. It's all relative. I just don't understand this ruling out of certain foods.

    It doesn't take an Einstein to figure this out. You can eat what people generally have eaten historically. Just do it with common sense and moderation.

    In other words, all this scheduling and restriction of certain foods is ridiculous IMO. This is what body builders do, but no one ever said that was the healthiest lifestyle either. I don't understand the pursuit of sheer bulk for its own sake. A little is ok, but what I'm preaching here is balance...


    You are missing most of the point(s) being made here.

    The fact that you personally find something delicious does not mean it is optimal.

    The Asian cultures you are most likely referring to (there are billions of Asian people btw) are those with diets high in fish, sea vegetables and low in animal fat.

    And just out of curiosity, when is the last time you "checked" and with whom? What are your sources? And what are your results?

    No one is asking that you give up something you enjoy.
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    Sep 02, 2014 4:03 AM GMT
    Rhi_Bran saidIt's not very easy for people like me with gastrointestinal problems to be picky about how many calories are consumed. On certain days, especially when I'm feeling active and have no nausea, I'll down 3,000 calories and probably burn it all away. Other days, especially when I have any gut inflammation, I won't be able to eat more than a few mouthfuls because my body is processing super slowly.

    I eat healthy most of the time, but most days I do require more calories than the average person just to have energy. I try to make those calories count, but sometimes I need the quick calories that only fats and sugar can provide, else I'd end up looking like a skinned fish icon_lol.gif


    I completely relate to this.

    I have a history of gastro-intestinal ailments since infancy. The best doctors on the planet are unable to explain it.

    I have found the cleaner I eat - especially with the elimination of processed foods and SUGAR - the fewer incidents I have and the better I feel physically and mentally.