Fallacy of "Gay-Friendly" Cities (Rant Warning)

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    Sep 03, 2014 11:16 PM GMT
    There are "Progressive" cities out there with non-discrimination ordinances, history of progress and rights movements. New Orleans isn't one of them. In fact the most notable item in the LGBT history books was the Upstairs Lounge fire (click fer learnin' an' shit)

    Having grown up in New Orleans I get a lot of people telling me how "great" it must have been to grow up in such a liberal city, such an oasis of acceptance in the turgid wasteland that is the Deep South.

    I've gotten tired of attempting to explain to them their error.

    New Orleans is a fantastic city for one thing and one thing only: not having legitimate responsibilities or long-term plans in life. The fact that you can have a crummy studio apartment in the back of a century-old townhouse, walk to work, walk to the bar AFTER work and stumble home (or at least to somebody's porch) appeals to some people. The rest of the NOLA "fanbois" didn't grow up here or haven't lived here long enough. They come into town on holiday for Decadence, Mardi Gras, Halloween or a "quick getaway" and marvel at our relaxed liquor ordinances, historic homes and fantastic cuisine. They don't see the millions upon millions of dollars diverted to sprucing up the main tourism zones from neighborhoods in DESPERATE need of infrastructure maintenance and even reconstruction.

    Then there's the "Gay Friendly" fallacy of New Orleans as a "Gay Mecca". The only thing that gay men come here to do is PARTY and RETIRE. The French Quarter, Marigny and Bywater neighborhoods are all very Bohemian (though undergoing massive, positive gentrification ATM) but the rest of the City is not unlike the rest of the South. Unwaveringly dedicated to a bygone era, perpetuating the Old South Mythos of being high-born (seriously, look at our "Social Scene" if you don't believe me), and a pervading notion of "what if someone sees you" being passed down from parents to children. Not to mention the idiots sent to Tulane and Loyola by yuppy Northern parents (Tulane has a shuttle bus SPECIFICALLY for transporting students between the French Quarter and campus, which is on the St Charles Ave. Streetcar line).

    Oh, and an example of New Orleans potholes, for those who think their streets are worse.
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    Sep 03, 2014 11:21 PM GMT
    New Orleans is a shit hole that has never appealed to me. Even before Katrina it just seemed like one big giant ghetto once mardi gras was finished.


    It also angered me that Katrina "refugees" would pour into my home town of Houston brining their violence and crime with them. A Detroit on the Mississippi if you ask me....
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    Sep 04, 2014 12:39 AM GMT
    http://www.hrc.org/campaigns/municipal-equality-index
    The Municipal Equality Index (MEI) examines the laws, policies, and services of municipalities and rates them on the basis of their inclusivity of LGBT people who live and work there.

    The 2013 MEI rates a total of 291 cities from every state in the nation

    New Orleans got 91 out of 100.
    http://www.hrc.org/apps/mei/profile.php?id=182#.VAez9410w5s

    Cities & counties gay friendlier than others include:

    http://www.hrc.org/resources/entry/cities-and-counties-with-non-discrimination-ordinances-that-include-gender
    As of August 14, 2014 at least 200 cities and counties prohibit employment discrimination on the basis of gender identity in employment ordinances that governed all public and private employers in those jurisdictions. This list does not include those cities and counties that prohibit discrimination on the basis of gender identity for city and county employees — such policies do not affect private employers in those jurisdictions.

    Cities and Counties that Prohibit Discrimination Based on Gender Identity in Public and Private Employment, By State.


    Arizona
    Phoenix, City of
    Tucson, City of

    California

    Los Angeles, City of
    Oakland, City of
    Palm Springs, City of
    San Diego, City of
    San Francisco, City of
    Santa Cruz County
    West Hollywood, City of

    Colorado
    Boulder, City of
    Denver, City of

    District of Columbia
    Washington, City of

    Florida
    Atlantic Beach, City of
    Alachua County
    Broward County
    Gainesville, City of
    Gulfport, City of
    Key West, City of
    Lake Worth, City of
    Leon County
    Miami Beach, City of
    Monroe County
    Palm Beach County
    Pinellas County
    Orlando. City of
    Tampa, City of
    Volusia County
    West Palm Beach, City of

    Georgia
    Atlanta, City of

    Idaho
    Boise, City of
    Coeur d’Alene, City of
    Ketchum, City of
    Moscow, City of
    Sandpoint, City of
    Victor, City of

    Illinois
    Carbondale, City of
    Chicago, City of
    Cook County
    Decatur, City of
    DeKalb, City of
    Evanston, City of
    Peoria, City of
    Springfield, City of

    Indiana
    Bloomington, City of
    Indianapolis, City of
    Marion County
    Monroe County
    South Bend, City of

    Iowa
    Cedar Rapids, City of
    Council Bluffs, City of
    Davenport, City of
    Des Moines, City of
    Iowa City
    Johnson County
    Waterloo, City of

    Kansas
    Lawrence, City of
    Roeland Park, City of

    Kentucky
    Covington, City of
    Danville, City of
    Frankfort, City of
    Jefferson County
    Lexington, City of
    Lexington-Fayette County
    Louisville, City of
    Morehead, City of
    Vicco, City of

    Louisiana
    New Orleans, City of
    Shreveport, City of

    Maryland
    Baltimore, City of
    Howard County
    Hyattsville, City of
    Montgomery County

    Massachusetts
    Boston, City of
    Cambridge, City of
    Northampton, City of
    Salem, City of

    Michigan
    Ann Arbor, City of
    Detroit, City of
    East Lansing, City of
    Ferndale, City of
    Grand Rapids, City of
    Huntington Woods, City of
    Kalamazoo, City of
    Lansing, City of
    Pleasant Ridge, City of
    Saugatuck, City of
    Sterling Heights, City of
    Traverse, City of
    Ypsilanti, City of

    Minnesota
    Minneapolis, City of
    St. Paul, City of

    Missouri
    Columbia, City of
    Clayton, City of
    Kansas City
    Kirkwood, City of
    Olivette, City of
    St. Louis County
    St. Louis, City of
    University City

    Montana
    Bozeman, City of
    Butte, City of
    Helena, City of
    Missoula, City of

    Nebraska
    Omaha, City of

    New York
    Albany, City of
    Binghamton, City of
    Buffalo, City of
    Ithaca, City of
    New York City
    Rochester, City of
    Suffolk County
    Syracuse, City of
    Tompkins County
    Westchester County
    North Carolina
    Chapel Hill, City of

    Ohio
    Athens, City of
    Bowling Green, City of
    Cincinnati, City of
    Cleveland, City of
    Columbus, City of
    Coshocton, City of
    Dayton, City of
    East Cleveland, City of
    Newark, City of
    Oxford, City of
    Summit County
    Toledo, City of
    Yellow Springs, Village of

    Oregon
    Beaverton, City of
    Bend, City of
    Benton County
    Corvallis, City of
    Hillsboro, City of
    Lake Oswego, City of
    Lincoln City
    Multnomah County
    Portland, City of
    Salem, City of

    Pennsylvania
    Abington Township
    Allegheny County
    Allentown, City of
    Bethlehem, City of
    Cheltenham Township
    Doylestown, City of
    East Norriton, City of
    Easton, City of
    Erie County
    Harrisburg, City of
    Hatboro, City of
    Haverford Township
    Jenkinstown Borough
    Lansdowne Borough
    Lower Marion Township
    New Hope Borough
    Newton Borough
    Philadelphia, City of
    Pittston, City of
    Scranton, City of
    Springfield Township
    State College Borough
    Susquehanna Township
    Swarthmore, City of
    Upper Merion Township
    West Chester Borough
    Whitemarsh Township
    York, City of

    South Carolina
    Myrtle Beach, City of

    Texas
    Austin, City of
    Dallas County
    Dallas, City of
    El Paso, City of
    Fort Worth, City of
    Houston, City of

    Utah
    Alta, City of
    Grand County
    Harrisville, City of
    Logan, City of
    Midvale, City of
    Moab, City of
    Murray City
    Ogden, City of
    Salt Lake City
    Salt Lake County
    Springdale, City of
    Summit County
    Taylorsville, City of
    West Valley, City

    Washington
    Burien, City of
    King County
    Seattle, City of
    Spokane, City of
    Tacoma, City of

    West Virginia
    Morgantown, City of
    Charleston, City of

    Wisconsin
    Dane County
    Madison, City of
    Milwaukee, City of
    Dane County
    Madison, City of
    Milwaukee, City of

    see also: http://www.hrc.org/resources/entry/maps-of-state-laws-policies
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    Sep 04, 2014 1:15 AM GMT
    That MEI list just made our local gay newspapers, in headlines. Because nobody believes it, and are protesting it. HRC (though I support them politically) is way off-base, for the second year in a row.

    They highly rate counties & cities here in Florida I know are gay-hostile, and omit or down-rate places that really are gay-friendly. HRC seriously needs to get its act together with these ratings, or just stop attempting them. icon_razz.gif
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    Sep 04, 2014 3:24 AM GMT
    Art_Deco saidThat MEI list just made our local gay newspapers, in headlines. Because nobody believes it, and are protesting it. HRC (though I support them politically) is way off-base, for the second year in a row.

    They highly rate counties & cities here in Florida I know are gay-hostile, and omit or down-rate places that really are gay-friendly. HRC seriously needs to get its act together with these ratings, or just stop attempting them. icon_razz.gif


    Yeah, funny thing about that whole anti-discrimination thing. Didn't help me when i was attacked a few years ago in broad daylight downtown. I had to go to court and defend myself against a charge of misdemeanor disturbing the peace for DEFENDING MYSELF against a 6'10" thug and his doublewide girlfriend, the latter of whom was wielding a tazer. And THEN I had to deal with a homophobic Jamaican police officer who berated me and ordered me to be silent while he flirted with Tazer Girl.
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    Sep 04, 2014 5:07 AM GMT
    Females will never approve of gay men having sex with each other. Females run America. So there you go with the fallacy or myth of gay friendly places.
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    Sep 04, 2014 3:21 PM GMT
    The current 2013 list might be the same one discussed here late last year. I don't know when those numbers come out but all the Florida scores look unchanged...

    •Miami Beach 100
    •Tampa 89
    •Oakland Park 85
    •Tallahassee 84
    •Wilton Manors 82
    •Orlando 79
    •Fort Lauderdale 77
    •Miami 67
    •St. Petersburg 66
    •Hialeah 58
    •Miami Shores 56
    •Hollywood 54
    •Pembroke Pines 43
    •Jacksonville 25
    •Cape Coral 10
    •Port Saint Lucie 0

    Changes in criteria are noted for the 2014 survey here
    http://www.hrc.org/resources/entry/standards-for-credit-on-the-mei

    So Wilton Manors might be able to pick up some bonus points for the very classy Wilton Walmart proposed for the town's busy entry point at Oakland and 6th, just up from Alibi. Walmart on the Water, they'll call it for snoot, as the backside faces that lovely drainage ditch, um, I mean, the north fork of the Middle River. I used to release rats there after live trapping them when one would get in the garden. Walmart on the Water is gonna need a gay greeter to get that bonus point though. Maybe that will put it over Tallahassee's score.

    Might not catch up to Tampa though which--depending on criteria--could get bumped up notch next time too as they've seen some progress on the gay front since some nastiness of a few years ago...

    http://www.tampabay.com/news/localgovernment/public-hearing-under-way-over-hillsborough-county-ban-on-acknowledging-gay/2124940
    Hillsborough County Commission unanimously repeals ban of gay pride recognition
    "The festivals, the activities and things need to have a little different tone to them," said Crist, a Republican. "Parading around in lingerie, pasties, g-strings and outfits that promote your sexual organs is not necessarily an appropriate thing to do in Hillsborough County."
    "That's Gasparilla," a member of the audience replied, bringing laughter.


    http://www.watermarkonline.com/2014/07/16/hillborough-county-commissioners-approve-hro-amendment/
    Hillsborough County Commissioners unanimously voted to move forward with an authorization for an amendment that would prohibit discrimination within the county on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity. The 7-0 vote is a stark change to previous LGBT initiatives, which have typically failed or split the board.


    No idea what's happening in Port St. Lucie. Probably it can continue to go fuck itself.

    Encouraging how numerous municipalities are taking the HRC's Index to heart, not only bragging about their scores but using the scores to bring to their own cities change for the better...

    http://www.salem.com/Pages/SalemMA_PressReleases/I04910E95
    Salem, MA – On the eve of the 3rd Annual North Shore Pride Parade & Festival, Mayor Kim Driscoll announced today that the City of Salem has achieved a perfect score on the Human Rights Campaign’s Municipal Equality Index (MEI) for the LGBT-inclusivity of the City’s laws, policies and services.


    https://austintexas.gov/news/city-works-external-stakeholders-improve-municipal-equality-index-score
    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Release Date: Jun. 30, 2014
    Work session set for July 8
    The City of Austin’s Equal Employment and Fair Housing Office (EE/FHO) will conduct a work session on July 8 to gather input on ways the City of Austin can improve its score on the Human Rights Campaign Municipal Equality Index.


    http://echris.phoenix.gov/pio/awardslist/diversity/equalityindex13.html
    Phoenix is one of the most improved cities in the country after the City Council passed a sweeping anti-discrimination ordinance earlier this year, according to a recent HRC report. The new law bans discrimination against individuals based on sexual orientation, gender identity or disability for the purposes of employment, public accommodations, housing, and government contracts.


    http://www.theolympian.com/2014/06/15/3180469_olympia-seeks-lgbt-friendly-code.html?rh=1
    The Olympia City Council will consider revising the city’s non-discrimination policies at its next meeting 7 p.m. June 17 at City Hall.

    City Manager Steve Hall said he organized an internal task force last year to modify the codes in response to Olympia’s score in the 2013 Municipal Equality Index.


    So this is really quite something, that our pride would be their pride. What a change a mere 45 years can make. The momentum of Stonewall.
  • Jon_Alex

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    Sep 05, 2014 2:36 AM GMT
    Did anyone else catch that documentary L word Mississippi on cable? I was amazed that it was made in 2014 and didn't realize the south was still like this in many spots.

    That said I don't see what most of your post has to do with being gay friendly. Mostly you are complaining about politics, funding, and miscellaneous cultural sensibilities. You're telling me you can't just be who you are there?

    I feel very differently... Like we are crossing a threshold in society where the anti gays are the ones who have to watch their backs. It's social conservatism that's on the defensive now.
  • Destinharbor

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    Sep 05, 2014 3:58 AM GMT
    Jon_Alex saidDid anyone else catch that documentary L word Mississippi on cable? I was amazed that it was made in 2014 and didn't realize the south was still like this in many spots.

    That said I don't see what most of your post has to do with being gay friendly. Mostly you are complaining about politics, funding, and miscellaneous cultural sensibilities. You're telling me you can't just be who you are there?

    I feel very differently... Like we are crossing a threshold in society where the anti gays are the ones who have to watch their backs. It's social conservatism that's on the defensive now.


    Well put. Totally hope this is true. Republicans could win the Senate and we could be in for a tough stretch. (Thanks, RJ Republicans. Nice work. Let's all regress.)

    But Nola? Lots of issues, mainly bad governance and a low income/education population that feels smug, but still, a unique, fun, liberal culture. The OP's criticism isn't really related to gay friendly or not, but the general corruption of Louisiana political life, which has been true for a long, long time.