Will and Grace vs Friends.

  • crazy_rajiv84

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    Sep 07, 2014 10:43 PM GMT
    I have seen Friends Many times and tht was the best sitcom I saw till I happen to see Will and Grace. Now I somhow find the same kinda humour and fun in W&G as I enjoyed watching Friends.
    I can't decide on it but what will u choose among W&G vs Friends.
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    Sep 07, 2014 11:06 PM GMT
    Friends all the way. The writing was much better.
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    Sep 08, 2014 12:07 AM GMT
    Is this about who had the best unrealistic NYC apartment?

    Monica had hers because she "inherited it, rent stabilized or controlled, from her grandmother." Which isn't how rent stabilization and control work, and whenever people try that they're outed by doormen, supers or private investigators hired by managing agents, though there was an episode where it was explained how the girls charmed and/or paid off the super from busting them for what, ten years? It was a 2 bedroom but with outdoor space in a walkup on Perry Street in the desirable West Village. (In the finale she and Chandler gave it up for what sounded like an astounding colonial in Westchester on a stream on what amounted to her chef and his entry level copywriter salary.)

    In the early 90s the prewar elevator doorman 1 bedroom coop with a terrace that Will owned on 87th and Riverside Drive would've been more impressive than the "Friends" Perry Street walkup (not so today). How he could own it as an attorney, even at his age, is more plausible - his waspy rich Westchester mom Blythe Danner must've bought if for him. But it doesn't explain how Grace could afford to sublet the studio across the hall from him, and how JACK could afford to sub-sublet from HER, with board approval yet, was positively ludicrous. Maybe it was a stabilized sublet (though it was too well renovated for that). Or maybe her Jewish mother Debbie Reynolds(!) subsidized her lifestyle (which would explain the clothes, the hair, the expensive office rent in Soho's Puck Building). Though Debbie Reynolds' character didn't seem the type, even though (not to perpetuate stereotypes) Jewish mothers are more likely to buy their children NYC apartments than WASP ones, not the other way 'round, which is counterintuitive (at least to me).
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    Sep 08, 2014 2:20 AM GMT
    I have never laughed once from friends, I cringe every time I see or hear chandler. The only reason I would find myself watching it was because I wanted to shag Ross haha.

    Will and grace on the other hand gets my vote due to the fact that its witty, outrageous and hilarious.

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    Sep 08, 2014 2:02 PM GMT
    Will & Grace
    it must have been wild when it first aired. I still like it.

    Has some dated stereotypes.
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    Sep 08, 2014 2:06 PM GMT
    Friends without a doubt!!
    No offense but the ending to Will and Grace was so crap.
    I've always said that it would have been so cool being on the set of friends.
    Never said that once watching Will and Grace.
    Grace wasn't even that likable to me; I'd have preferred to watch Jack and Karen instead of Will and Grace.
    That's bad considering the show is called Will and Grace.
    Friends hands down!!
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    Sep 08, 2014 7:01 PM GMT
    The show was Jack and Karen. Megan Mullally and Sean Hayes are both very talented. Neither of their characters could have been better portrayed, especially the uninhibited qualities of the Karen. But that entire show was very well done.

    I never got into the Friends show. The only characters I found likeable was Joey, sorta but not totally cute/hot, and the Phoebe character I thought was fabulous. I suspect Lisa Kudrow must be a very smart person.
  • Svnw688

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    Sep 08, 2014 7:03 PM GMT
    W&G. Thread closed.

    No, seriously, Friends was lame. It literally had some of the best writers, highest salaries and budgets for scenes/sets, and still failed to get the laughs. Literally, I challenge any Friends fan to list 3 funny lines or scenes from Friends that everyone will recognize. The gueststars on Friends were all necessary because of cross-tie ins and contracts, nobody wanted to be on that show because the producers openly admitted to not liking gueststars and because the cast thought it took away their screentime. But Friends failed to address ANY issue of substance. In short, it was an overpriced meatloaf.

    W&G on the other hand, while not a laugh riot, delivered consistent and witty jokes. Karen's alcoholism and pill popping was a constant source of joy and laughs. Here are just a few of the lines readily recognizable as W&G:

    Karen: (pointing to her tits, then vagina and ass) "milk, milk, lemonade...in the bad, fudge is made."

    Karen unwraps her wet hair, shakes it and it's perfectly in place. Amazed, Grace asks "How did you do that?" Karen nonchalantly and without turning to respond says, "Money."

    (fight breaks out in the cowboy themed gay bar) Beverly Leslie jumps over the bar in his boots and hat and rings the bell screaming "bar fight, bar fight!"

    Despite a hugely smaller budget, ACTUAL TALENT actively WANTED to be featured on the show. Actors literally wrote to solicit to be on (as opposed to producers usually begging). And most of the stars W&G landed weren't some flash-in-the-pan or flavor of the month, but critically acclaimed legends in their field. The list includes, but is not limited to Alec Baldwin, Barry Manilow, Blythe Danner, Britney Spears, Candice Bergen, Cher, Debbie Reynolds, Demi Moore, Dylan McDermott, Ellen DeGeneres, Elton John, Gene Wilder, Glenn Close, Jack Black, Woody Harelson, James Earl Jones, Janet Jackson, Jeff Goldbloom, J Lo, Joan Collins, Katie Couric, Kevin Bacon, Mackuley Calkin, Patty Lapone, Madonna---yes Madonna, Matt Damon, Michael Douglas, Minnie Driver, Patrick Demsey, Neil Patrick Harris, Parker Posie, Rip Taylor, Rudy Galindo, Sandra Bernhard, Sharon Osbourne, Taye Diggs, Tom Skerritt, and Wanda Sykes. And the list is more than 3 times that length.

    Substantively, W&G was groundbreaking in that it was the FIRST show to feature a gay character to mainstream America on a broadcast network. It pioneered even before Queer as Folk on Showtime in 2001. Substantively, the show dealt not only with a first time main gay character, but dealt head-on with the issues of homophobia, bullying, substance abuse, gay for pay prostitutes, drag queens, safe sex, interracial dating (the first gay interracial kiss, by the way with Taye Diggs), racism in the gay community, sexism in the gay community, "hags," marriage rights, gay gentrification, and countless other issues. No other show dared touch that.

    To put W&G in the same ballpark as Friends is a disservice to a groundbreaking show, that consistently delivered laughs and had a gueststar list the red carpet is envious of. Friends is a narcissistic show that wasn't all that funny and followed the curiously messed-up lives of 6 white privileged 20-somethings who couldn't pull their head out of their rear to get their careers and love life in order. There really is no comparison.
  • SDSUgrad

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    Sep 08, 2014 10:10 PM GMT
    I haven't seen very many Will and Grace episodes but Friends is by far my favorite show. I used to spend my summers having marathons with all of my friends (alone... hah) and I still enjoy watching even though I've seen every episode more than once.
  • crazy_rajiv84

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    Sep 09, 2014 8:54 PM GMT
    Svnw688 saidW&G. Thread closed.

    No, seriously, Friends was lame. It literally had some of the best writers, highest salaries and budgets for scenes/sets, and still failed to get the laughs. Literally, I challenge any Friends fan to list 3 funny lines or scenes from Friends that everyone will recognize. The gueststars on Friends were all necessary because of cross-tie ins and contracts, nobody wanted to be on that show because the producers openly admitted to not liking gueststars and because the cast thought it took away their screentime. But Friends failed to address ANY issue of substance. In short, it was an overpriced meatloaf.

    W&G on the other hand, while not a laugh riot, delivered consistent and witty jokes. Karen's alcoholism and pill popping was a constant source of joy and laughs. Here are just a few of the lines readily recognizable as W&G:

    Karen: (pointing to her tits, then vagina and ass) "milk, milk, lemonade...in the bad, fudge is made."

    Karen unwraps her wet hair, shakes it and it's perfectly in place. Amazed, Grace asks "How did you do that?" Karen nonchalantly and without turning to respond says, "Money."

    (fight breaks out in the cowboy themed gay bar) Beverly Leslie jumps over the bar in his boots and hat and rings the bell screaming "bar fight, bar fight!"

    Despite a hugely smaller budget, ACTUAL TALENT actively WANTED to be featured on the show. Actors literally wrote to solicit to be on (as opposed to producers usually begging). And most of the stars W&G landed weren't some flash-in-the-pan or flavor of the month, but critically acclaimed legends in their field. The list includes, but is not limited to Alec Baldwin, Barry Manilow, Blythe Danner, Britney Spears, Candice Bergen, Cher, Debbie Reynolds, Demi Moore, Dylan McDermott, Ellen DeGeneres, Elton John, Gene Wilder, Glenn Close, Jack Black, Woody Harelson, James Earl Jones, Janet Jackson, Jeff Goldbloom, J Lo, Joan Collins, Katie Couric, Kevin Bacon, Mackuley Calkin, Patty Lapone, Madonna---yes Madonna, Matt Damon, Michael Douglas, Minnie Driver, Patrick Demsey, Neil Patrick Harris, Parker Posie, Rip Taylor, Rudy Galindo, Sandra Bernhard, Sharon Osbourne, Taye Diggs, Tom Skerritt, and Wanda Sykes. And the list is more than 3 times that length.

    Substantively, W&G was groundbreaking in that it was the FIRST show to feature a gay character to mainstream America on a broadcast network. It pioneered even before Queer as Folk on Showtime in 2001. Substantively, the show dealt not only with a first time main gay character, but dealt head-on with the issues of homophobia, bullying, substance abuse, gay for pay prostitutes, drag queens, safe sex, interracial dating (the first gay interracial kiss, by the way with Taye Diggs), racism in the gay community, sexism in the gay community, "hags," marriage rights, gay gentrification, and countless other issues. No other show dared touch that.

    To put W&G in the same ballpark as Friends is a disservice to a groundbreaking show, that consistently delivered laughs and had a gueststar list the red carpet is envious of. Friends is a narcissistic show that wasn't all that funny and followed the curiously messed-up lives of 6 white privileged 20-somethings who couldn't pull their head out of their rear to get their careers and love life in order. There really is no comparison.


    Wow that was a long comparison and I have no counter argument against it, seems you have seen both the shows in detail icon_smile.gif
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    Sep 10, 2014 2:45 AM GMT
    Friends without a doubt.

    Will and grace was good but some of the characters would get on your nerves.

    You could relate to all the characters of friends at some point.