5 Things Our Parents Did That Would Get Them Arrested Today

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    Sep 09, 2014 7:14 AM GMT
    My parents did most of these things mentioned in the article linked below that are now illegal. In the case of the seat belts, cars didn't even HAVE seat belts.

    Nor were there kids' car safety seats. Safety meant having my sister & me sit in the back seat, unbelted when belts didn't exist, where presumably we would bounce around harmlessly in a crash.

    And yet, with my own young sons, they had the best child car safety seats made, properly belted in. Times change.

    I suppose we could even contrast present-day child care with caveman times. But as we get smarter, we should act smarter, shouldn't we? And have better devices at our disposal, thanks to technology. I dunno - what do you think?

    http://abcnews.go.com/Lifestyle/things-parents-arrested-today/story?id=25262430#
  • jaroslav123

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    Sep 09, 2014 10:19 AM GMT
    A lot of things in this debate essentially revolves around nanny state vs the individual. Some would say that the state is intervening too much in an effort to protect its citizens and that individuals should look after themselves - whilst those opposing this would say the opposite.

    I think a lot of this stuff is almost common sense.

    Smoking in a car and seatbelts, in my mind are just normal occurrences. It makes sense not to smoke in a great big metal thing filled with petrol, and to where a seatbelt when you're inside a machine which can go up to 70 mph or more.

    A lot of this is just newspaper spin, very anecdotal and probably not even enshrined in law. Taking pictures of children in a bath doesn't constitute a pornographic image of a child, and due to practicalities, there comes a time when children have to be left alone in home (also does them a lot of good education-wise - they have to learn to be responsible for themselves etc etc). The home alone thing I imagine is just tabloid propaganda to try and convince everyone that the state has gone too far. It's perfectly fine. Lots of people leave their children at home.
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    Sep 09, 2014 12:52 PM GMT
    Its funny how they don't enforce seatbelts on school busses and other public transportation except airplanes. But yet in private vehicles they do.
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    Sep 09, 2014 12:55 PM GMT
    davidingeorgia saidIts funny how they don't enforce seatbelts on school busses and other public transportation except airplanes. But yet in private vehicles they do.
    Regulations are based on statistics. One is safer on a bus without a seatbelt than in a car with one. No sense in spending $ on things that are not needed.
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    Sep 09, 2014 1:27 PM GMT
    davidingeorgia saidIts funny how they don't enforce seatbelts on school busses and other public transportation except airplanes. But yet in private vehicles they do.

    A rather good observation, in my opinion. All are forms of transportation, all crash, why not seat belts in all?

    A US mother gets pulled over by the police because her child is riding in the car unbelted. "But I just picked her up from the school bus stop, to go shopping." she says to the police officer. "And my daughter's government school bus doesn't even HAVE seat belts."

    An elegant legal contradiction for a court to decide, I would think. The government fails to provide any seat belts for children to use at all in their own official vehicles, but fines citizens if they don't belt children in private vehicles. Last time I checked school buses crash with some regularity in the US, and the seats don't even have headrests.
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    Sep 09, 2014 1:30 PM GMT
    lots of environmental things are no longer tolerated
    lead in compounds such as paint or gas, asbestos, purity of foods, re cycle plastic bags, more efficient energy usage...

    moral issues
    divorce, abortion, anal sex...

    self medication
    alcohol and DUI, marijuana laws starting to change, prescription drugs...



    airport security, gun ownership, bullying at school, discriminating on housing and or services,
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    Sep 10, 2014 1:08 AM GMT
    Up until just a few years ago, the standard practice during fruit harvest was for families to pick fruit together. Typically, only the "adults" were on the farm payroll. The kids would play in the orchard, nap, and maybe pick up a bucket and help their Dad for a while.

    Now that's strictly forbidden. I could go to jail if a kid is even found on the premises. The parents have to come up with day care, somehow. In fact, it's getting to be too risky to have any sort of employee. I can't imagine planting anything that can't be harvested by machine any more.
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    Sep 10, 2014 3:36 AM GMT
    Lol, beat your ass with a leather belt. My dad sure did that to me when I was 13 because I was about to rebel violently in some way as a new teenager against my mother, just another female in my mind at the time, and show my mom that I was becoming a man. My father shut that shit down very quickly, lol with that leather belt. hahaha. I hated him at the time he did that but if he hadn't done it, I realize now as a grown ass man, I probably would have ended up in jail or something worse. That was an old school daddy I was raised by man!! Yes, he would be in jail for that now probably with these kids and this government system today that doesn't have to raise kids but want to control how parents raise their own kids. Old school parents rock!! Can you say Madea! lol
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    Sep 10, 2014 3:45 AM GMT
    Taking a piss on the side of the road.
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    Sep 10, 2014 10:00 AM GMT
    It is easy to moan about 'nanny state' intervention, but you cannot always trust employers (and indeed workers) to do the right thing where safety is concerned, especially when it affects the bottom line.

    It has become something of a national sport in the UK to knock health & safety laws and regulations, but since the introduction of the Health and Safety at Work Act 1974, fatal injuries to employees in the UK have fallen by 85% and reported non-fatal injuries have fallen by 77%.

    The UK five-year average fatal accident rate is one of the lowest across all EU member states.
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    Sep 10, 2014 1:06 PM GMT
    I know if they enforced the seatbelt rules on busses there wont any fights and what not since all the kids will be strapped to there seats unless there within arms reach of the person fighting. LOL. Dosent matter the size of the vehicle. If it gets involved in a crash the people inside still get knocked around. Reason for seatbelts.
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    Sep 10, 2014 1:36 PM GMT
    seat belts
    davidingeorgia said ... says to the police officer. "And my daughter's government school bus doesn't even HAVE seat belts." An elegant legal contradiction for a court to decide ...[/quote]


    this stuff is a given; take every opportunity to promote your self
    Or not
    Dont expect someone else to care of you. At lest the seat belts are integrated into the car and there is a choice.

    along the same thinking
    dont drink
    dont over eat
    dont over medicate
    have a family environment
    ...
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    Sep 10, 2014 1:45 PM GMT
    mindgarden saidUp until just a few years ago, the standard practice during fruit harvest was for families to pick fruit together ... Now that's strictly forbidden ...
    likely the farm property is totally contaminated with pesticide.
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    Sep 10, 2014 9:59 PM GMT
    pellaz said
    mindgarden saidUp until just a few years ago, the standard practice during fruit harvest was for families to pick fruit together ... Now that's strictly forbidden ...
    likely the farm property is totally contaminated with pesticide.


    Urban legends transformed directly into regulations.
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    Sep 11, 2014 2:16 AM GMT
    mindgarden said
    I could go to jail if a kid is even found on the premises. The parents have to come up with day care, somehow.

    My Father had supermarkets when I was a kid. And my Mother worked full time, too, a tax specialist. So summer school break was a problem. It's one of the reasons I was sent off to boys summer camp, and we also took a series of long family vacations, to a cabin we had in Vermont, and to the seashore.

    But sometimes my Dad just brought me to a supermarket. Where I was set to work, not even 10 years old yet, sometimes in the basement stock room. Where they'd be electric conveyor belts I learned to operate, to bring boxes up to the store level, and a maze of rollerized ramps that moved those heavy boxes around. Not the safest environment for a little kid. And of course I wasn't paid for this.

    But it gets better. I might have to work in the meat department, which was very cold, wearing a white apron too big for me. Where I'd grind meat in an industrial meat grinder (a fairly dangerous operation), then tray it, weigh it, hand label it, and wrap it in plastic from a huge roll. Which then had to be heat sealed by sliding the package over a hot plate on a metal table. And touched up as needed with an electric hand iron, somewhat like a soldering iron. Finger burns were to be expected. And naturally I didn't have a food handler's permit, nor did those disposable plastic gloves exist. I just handled "your" meat with my bare hands.

    Only men worked in that department, butchers with cleavers & knives, so I had to be careful around them. And hanging on the walls, unseen by the public, were nude centerfolds from 1950s men's magazines. I presume Playboy, and whatever else was available back then. My first glimpse of naked women. Nobody seemed concerned I was seeing that at my age.

    And of course back home my Father might beat me with a leather belt, as he saw fit (or more often, as my Mother directed). But other than that it's about the only punishment I got. I never received an allowance, anyway, so I couldn't lose that, nor did I lose meals, or TV, or be sent to bed early. I never heard the term "grounded" until I was an adult myself.

    Overall my parents supervised me very little, what today might be termed "neglect" but I liked the freedom. I think it helped me develop the independence that's served me well all my life.

    And BTW, as I say here often, I worshipped my parents, and still honor their memories. I wish they were alive today, I miss them very much. So I guess my childhood wasn't too horrible, in fact in many ways it was pretty privileged and lovely, though in today's world I have no doubt my parents would have been violating dozens of child abuse laws. Different times, different customs, different rules.
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    Sep 11, 2014 3:18 AM GMT
    When my brother and sister were little, my mother took nude photos of them from behind to show their suntan lines. Now a parent would be arrested for producing child pornography for doing that.

    When I was a kid, during summer we were in a children's swimming program. We used a school swimming pool, and it was all boys. We swam nude. Once a newspaper photographer took a picture of us while were floating face down; it was published in the newspaper. That would be unthinkable today.
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    Sep 11, 2014 3:20 AM GMT
    From the first grade on, I walked to school by myself. It was about half a mile. That was not unusual. Now it would be considered to be child neglect.
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    Sep 11, 2014 3:30 AM GMT
    FRE0 saidWhen my brother and sister were little, my mother took nude photos of them from behind to show their suntan lines. Now a parent would be arrested for producing child pornography for doing that.

    When I was a kid, during summer we were in a children's swimming program. We used a school swimming pool, and it was all boys. We swam nude. Once a newspaper photographer took a picture of us while were floating face down; it was published in the newspaper. That would be unthinkable today.

    The photos depend on the age today. I think a "bare bum" shot may still be acceptable with toddlers in the US.

    As for swimming, yeah, we all swam naked back then. At the Y and at boys summer camp, and skinny dipping in the nearby river. Some of my friends were still using their pools naked, with parental supervision, until 12-13, just before puberty set in, and body hair appeared. And their kid sisters in swimsuits could watch us and swim along, too!

    So could my own sister in our own pool, but only until I was about 8. Then I had to start wearing a swimsuit in the home pool, though not always elsewhere. And a suit was required at the seashore, as all our family photos attest. In fact, that's the only reason I owned a swimsuit at all when I was very young, for our trips to the public beach.
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    Sep 11, 2014 4:29 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    mindgarden said
    I could go to jail if a kid is even found on the premises. The parents have to come up with day care, somehow.


    And BTW, as I say here often, I worshipped my parents, and still honor their memories. I wish they were alive today, I miss them very much. So I guess my childhood wasn't too horrible, in fact in many ways it was pretty privileged and lovely, though in today's world I have no doubt my parents would have been violating dozens of child abuse laws. Different times, different customs, different rules.


    "I worshipped my parents, and still honor their memories. I wish they were alive today, I miss them very much"

    My dad passed on St Patrick's day 2013 and now I bury my mother on Friday. She'll be missed.
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    Sep 11, 2014 5:26 PM GMT
    I just read a report in the Chicago paper about a mother who left her child in her car in front of a Whole Foods market for about five minutes, while she ran in and got one item. The article said she truly wasn't gone long, and it wasn't hot out, and she'd left one window down three inches. She was arrested! Unbelievable. My siblings and I sat in cars countless times in front of stores while we were growing up, and our mother didn't want to deal with us. We sat there for long, boring interludes. Sometimes we honked the horn at passers-by, to see them jump. Anyway - - - I guess our mother would be arrested today for leaving us in the car, at least in Chi-town!