Is HIV man made??

  • venue35

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    Sep 09, 2014 8:14 AM GMT
    Seriously after all these years that's what im starting to believe.
    It's origins sound hokey enough..a monkey from africa??
    If killing eachother is such good business and money so important it kind of makes me ashamed to be alive.
    And now the rumours that a cure has already been found but because of "money" issues it wont be readily available for atleast 5 more years.
    This is what humanity has come to..
    So i will quote the title of an old megadeth album once more:
    Killing is good business...and business is good!!!!
    Do you think hiv was created by man or no???
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    Sep 09, 2014 8:42 AM GMT
    I don't think anyone created HIV, engineering a virus in 1950s sounds like a pretty hard thing to do in those days considering the technology.

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    Sep 09, 2014 8:43 AM GMT
    it was a chimpanzee not a monkey btw
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    Sep 09, 2014 11:26 AM GMT
    New diseases show up in humans when they mutate and jump from other species into us. In the case of HIV it was a virus called SIV (S stands for simian.) It actually made the jump to humans more than once but didn't take because human behavior didn't support the spread of the disease. It wasn't until globalization that the virus could spread out from the Congo river basin into the rest of the world.
    It's not man made and there is no cure.
    Whomever cured HIV would win the Nobel prize, guaranteed. And the way scientific research works is you get a grant from the government or industry. You do the research and publish it. Then you use the proof of published results to apply for more grants. If you tried to withhold info on a cure you'd get no more money. Plus- it's not like hiv research is by a crazy old man in a lab by himself. There'd be grad students and post docs and research assistants. Not to mention research subjects. So there is no conspiracy to keep a cure under wraps.
    So get tested. Wear a condom. Consider PrEP.
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    Sep 09, 2014 12:53 PM GMT
    Wyndahoi saidNew diseases show up in humans when they mutate and jump from other species into us. In the case of HIV it was a virus called SIV (S stands for simian.) It actually made the jump to humans more than once but didn't take because human behavior didn't support the spread of the disease. It wasn't until globalization that the virus could spread out from the Congo river basin into the rest of the world.
    It's not man made and there is no cure.
    Whomever cured HIV would win the Nobel prize, guaranteed. And the way scientific research works is you get a grant from the government or industry. You do the research and publish it. Then you use the proof of published results to apply for more grants. If you tried to withhold info on a cure you'd get no more money. Plus- it's not like hiv research is by a crazy old man in a lab by himself. There'd be grad students and post docs and research assistants. Not to mention research subjects. So there is no conspiracy to keep a cure under wraps.
    So get tested. Wear a condom. Consider PrEP.
    Well said
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    Sep 09, 2014 2:51 PM GMT
    I think it was created by man accidentally, definitely not on purpose.
  • Destinharbor

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    Sep 09, 2014 3:23 PM GMT
    Wyndahoi saidNew diseases show up in humans when they mutate and jump from other species into us. In the case of HIV it was a virus called SIV (S stands for simian.) It actually made the jump to humans more than once but didn't take because human behavior didn't support the spread of the disease. It wasn't until globalization that the virus could spread out from the Congo river basin into the rest of the world.
    It's not man made and there is no cure.
    Whomever cured HIV would win the Nobel prize, guaranteed. And the way scientific research works is you get a grant from the government or industry. You do the research and publish it. Then you use the proof of published results to apply for more grants. If you tried to withhold info on a cure you'd get no more money. Plus- it's not like hiv research is by a crazy old man in a lab by himself. There'd be grad students and post docs and research assistants. Not to mention research subjects. So there is no conspiracy to keep a cure under wraps.
    So get tested. Wear a condom. Consider PrEP.

    You're a good man to be so patient with a conspiracy theorist.
  • venue35

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    Sep 09, 2014 4:20 PM GMT
    I am not a conspiracy theorist. I have heard people say many times that HIV was created. That ofcourse doesn't mean it's true. There is no cure for cancer either and billions are made each year for treatment. As for there being no cure for hiv i've read on many sites that there may be a cure but it will be a nightmare before it is made ready available.
    I made this thread to see if people here think hiv was man made.
    Many people also think ebola is. I am not a conspiracy theorist i don't know the real truth about hiv. And even though some of you think that you know how can one be 100% sure???
    Pazzy ive read books about the Atlanta child murders and at the time of the murders many believed that the kkk was killing all those black kids.
    It turned out to be Wayne Williams. DNA tests have been made after more than 30 years.
  • venue35

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    Sep 09, 2014 4:26 PM GMT
    Why did Nelson Mandela call the hiv crisis in Africa not an epidemic but Genocide????
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    Sep 09, 2014 4:28 PM GMT
    pazzy saidyeah, i think so. it wouldn't surprise me especially considering that the u.s. government has a history of doing shit like that.

    there was some conspiracy theory that i heard some years ago about how the atlanta child murders back in the late 70s and early 80s tied into that. "supposedly", the theory goes that the government was behind the murders and used the victims blood to help create the virus. allegedly, some of the victims were seen walking away with some "candy lady". on top of that, some of the victims were found in advanced stages of decomposition oddly enough. supposedly, wayne williams was used as a scapegoat as they pinned all the murders on him. he might have committed some of the murders BUT there's no real evidence linking him to it.


    That is impossible, HIV comes from the Congo river basin. If you analyze any genome the closer you are to its point of origin the more diversity. There is more variety in HIV1 in Africa than anywhere else. There is ALSO HIV2 in west Africa which is virtually unheard of outside of Africa.
    Humans in west Africa got to close to a monkey that had some form of SIV (killing one or getting bitten or fucking one) and HIV came to be.
    HIV makes a lousy weapon, takes to long to kill and doesn't spread very easily. The USG is also the number one funder of HIV research and pays for treatments for a LOT of people to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars.
  • venue35

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    Sep 09, 2014 4:39 PM GMT
    If it was manmade that doesn't mean it would be used as a weapon but more as a way to make lots and lots of money.
    Where is the proof that a man was bitten or had sex with said chimp????
    How can we know for sure that this is the truth???
    I assume the first occurence was in the late 70's???
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    Sep 09, 2014 5:10 PM GMT
    Well, I used to make fun of people who believed in conspiracy theories but not anymore. If you can't look around and see how everything we purchase, consume or breath is being contaminated, you're a fool. The government is no longer here to protect us.
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    Sep 09, 2014 6:10 PM GMT
    Yeah, made for population control, but look at where it started, the gay disease of the early 80's, coming out of the decadent disco era of the 70's. Not so much all government, but which side of it, depending on who was elected. If you just think about the sequence from the Jimmy Carter late 70's and the rise of the religious right under Reagan 80's, it looks pretty clear that the epidemic was created by, some might say, the right wing nut jobs in order to help remove the "undesirables" in a christian lead America. And who hated, and still does the gays the most. Because these people felt that the 60's and 70's got christian America way too far to the left, socially. They needed something to bring the masses "back to their God", thus these same people are continually pinning away for the good ole days of the 1950's, where "life was pure and wholesome", (no women power, no gay power, no negro power)
    basically, before any civil rights movements.

    Social conservatism, as a way of moving forward, is an oxymoron
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    Sep 09, 2014 6:16 PM GMT
    Conspiritards
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    Sep 09, 2014 6:17 PM GMT
    yes and you are man made as well
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    Sep 09, 2014 6:21 PM GMT
    So... Wyndahoi on the hot list (patience and intelligence is hot) and I'm off to bang my head against the wall.
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    Sep 09, 2014 7:24 PM GMT
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    pazzy saidyeah, i think so. it wouldn't surprise me especially considering that the u.s. government has a history of doing shit like that.

    there was some conspiracy theory that i heard some years ago about how the atlanta child murders back in the late 70s and early 80s tied into that. "supposedly", the theory goes that the government was behind the murders and used the victims blood to help create the virus. allegedly, some of the victims were seen walking away with some "candy lady". on top of that, some of the victims were found in advanced stages of decomposition oddly enough. supposedly, wayne williams was used as a scapegoat as they pinned all the murders on him. he might have committed some of the murders BUT there's no real evidence linking him to it.


    That is impossible, HIV comes from the Congo river basin. If you analyze any genome the closer you are to its point of origin the more diversity. There is more variety in HIV1 in Africa than anywhere else. There is ALSO HIV2 in west Africa which is virtually unheard of outside of Africa.
    Humans in west Africa got to close to a monkey that had some form of SIV (killing one or getting bitten or fucking one) and HIV came to be.
    HIV makes a lousy weapon, takes to long to kill and doesn't spread very easily. The USG is also the number one funder of HIV research and pays for treatments for a LOT of people to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars.


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    Sep 09, 2014 7:31 PM GMT
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    pazzy saidyeah, i think so. it wouldn't surprise me especially considering that the u.s. government has a history of doing shit like that.

    there was some conspiracy theory that i heard some years ago about how the atlanta child murders back in the late 70s and early 80s tied into that. "supposedly", the theory goes that the government was behind the murders and used the victims blood to help create the virus. allegedly, some of the victims were seen walking away with some "candy lady". on top of that, some of the victims were found in advanced stages of decomposition oddly enough. supposedly, wayne williams was used as a scapegoat as they pinned all the murders on him. he might have committed some of the murders BUT there's no real evidence linking him to it.


    That is impossible, HIV comes from the Congo river basin. If you analyze any genome the closer you are to its point of origin the more diversity. There is more variety in HIV1 in Africa than anywhere else. There is ALSO HIV2 in west Africa which is virtually unheard of outside of Africa.
    Humans in west Africa got to close to a monkey that had some form of SIV (killing one or getting bitten or fucking one) and HIV came to be.
    HIV makes a lousy weapon, takes to long to kill and doesn't spread very easily. The USG is also the number one funder of HIV research and pays for treatments for a LOT of people to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars.


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  • Sincityfan

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    Sep 09, 2014 9:21 PM GMT
    There's AIDs research facilities (publicly funded,) cure/understanding, and pharmaceutical companies (privately funded,) which are not looking for a cure.
    Pharmaceutical are not looking for a one time fix as it would not generate as much profit as a pill that requires you to take it on a daily basis. Now, they would with hold a cure.
    There are already tons of homos that think a cure has already been found, Truvada, but that is far from a cure. It's results come from a flawed studied and inaccurate word of mouth advertising.

    "I only fuck bareback now because I'm on Truvada. It lowers my chances of getting HIV by 99.999999999999999999999999999999999%."

    God I'm horny now. Gonna hit grindr.
  • goodguyrjr

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    Sep 09, 2014 10:15 PM GMT
    Wyndahoi is right on all counts. Scientist explain these things by compiling the weight of evidence to show something is true and the overwhelming evidence shows what Wyndahoi says. The useless conspiracy theories- there is no evidence for them, just unplanned emotion for an agenda. Agendas are good when they start with facts, and bad when they start with made up fantasies.The conspiracy theories though cause real harm, they are the indirect cause of more deaths if they make people believe that they cant trust the credible medical system so they stay away and dont get cared for when they need it, or they dont get treated and pass the virus on to others.

    The best history of how HIV spread in populations after jumping to humans from chimps is The Origin of AIDS by Jacques Pepin from Quebec

    The best science review- very geeky - is here:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3234451/
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    Sep 10, 2014 12:17 AM GMT
    Virus's evolve (see common cold, flue, etc. for further insight). HIV originates from an evolution in SIV, via Zoonosis, in Sooty Mangabeys and Chimpanzees that allowed the virus to evolve receptors that bound to human CD4 receptors on helper T cells, a type of white blood cell responsible for immunological responses, thus progressing to the collapse of the immune system, leading to HIV, and eventually AIDS.
  • Wyatt

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    Sep 10, 2014 12:52 AM GMT
    If you have any knowledge what so ever about science and virology you would know that what you are trying to claim is absolutely ridiculous.

    I won't go into it now but if you want a more detailed opinion/analysis I would be happy to provide you with one.
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    Sep 10, 2014 3:20 AM GMT
    Wyatt saidIf you have any knowledge what so ever about science and virology you would know that what you are trying to claim is absolutely ridiculous.

    I won't go into it now but if you want a more detailed opinion/analysis I would be happy to provide you with one.


    More right than you think!

    I have always believed that the powers that be wanted to somehow exterminate the gay population. They did kill off quite a few. I think there are many hundreds of pathogens that we as humans will develop to use against our own.

    I just read an article the other day how young people came down with a mysterious breathing condition.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/unidentified-respiratory-virus-hit-kids-country/story?id=25334106

    I also have read up on Stephen Hawking:and his predictions of Mass Human eradication. I do think and agree these are MAN MADE. He also stated in 2012 that human life has only about 1,000 years left on Earth before being wiped out by man-made viruses

    http://users.physics.harvard.edu/~wilson/pmpmta/Mahoney_extinction.pdf
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    Sep 10, 2014 4:17 AM GMT
    Yes, the CIA created AIDS, crack, and gonorrhea to kill off blacks and gays. It was in the files that Snowden leaked.




    Or not.










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  • bro4bro

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    Sep 10, 2014 4:27 AM GMT
    OK guys, if you're going to spread wacky conspiracy theories, at least get the wacky conspiracy theory right.

    The original version I heard - way back in the early 80s when AIDS was a brand new thing - is that HIV was developed as a weapon by the SOVIETS, not the US. It was tested in Angola during the civil war there in the mid 1970s, in which the USSR and Cuba both participated.

    It was brought back to Cuba by troops who served in Angola, then made the short hop across the water along with Cuban refugees to Haiti, which was the first (known) Western country with a significant infection rate (nobody knew what the level of infection was in Cuba, since we don't talk to them). From Haiti, which in those days was a popular gay travel destination, it was brought to North America by that infamous Canadian flight attendant.

    All of this makes a very plausible theory, except of course it's complete bullshit. Studies indicate it was first transmitted from chimpanzees and gorillas to humans between 1915 and 1941, which sort of blows the whole story.

    As for how HIV traveled from Africa to the Caribbean, well, the Angola story may still have some merit. Especially if Cuban soldiers were fucking monkeys.

    And seriously guys, when someone invents a government conspiracy, why is it ALWAYS the US government that's to blame? Never Soviet Russia or Red China? Seriously, if you believe all these theories, the US government is worse than Nazi Germany!