One In Three Americans Want 'Under God' Removed From Pledge Of Allegiance

  • metta

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    Sep 10, 2014 6:34 AM GMT
    One In Three Americans Want 'Under God' Removed From Pledge Of Allegiance

    http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/one_in_three_americans_want_under_god_removed_from_pledge_of_allegiance
  • metta

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    Sep 10, 2014 6:36 AM GMT
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    Sep 11, 2014 4:49 PM GMT
    I can't remember the last time I said the POA.

    Don't really care enough one way or the other.

    But while we're at it we should erase god from our money, our national monuments, no more mention of god at opening prayers in congress or presidential inaugurations, no swearing on Bibles in courts, etc. And all references to a supreme being should be whited out of the DOI and any other national documents.

    Churches and other houses of worship should not allowed to have any identifying symbols or architectural embellishments (steeples, stained glass windows, bell towers, minarets, crosses, stars of David, crescent moons etc.) that readily identify them as houses of worship as these may offend non believers. Why stop there? There should be a law prohibiting the display of any religious symbols anywhere in the public sphere, including personal property, no manger scenes on your lawn at Christmas time, no I heart Jesus, God, Moses, Allah, etc. bumper stickers.

    All for the sake of the oh so delicate sensibilities of the non believers.
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    Sep 11, 2014 4:59 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidI can't remember the last time I said the POA.

    Don't really care enough one way or the other.

    But while we're at it we should erase god from our money, our national monuments, no more mention of god at opening prayers in congress or presidential inaugurations, no swearing on Bibles in courts, etc. And all references to a supreme being should be whited out of the DOI and any other national documents.

    Churches and other houses of worship should not allowed to have any identifying symbols or architectural embellishments (steeples, stained glass windows, bell towers, minarets, crosses, stars of David, crescent moons etc.) that readily identify them as houses of worship as these may offend non believers. Why stop there? There should be a law prohibiting the display of any religious symbols anywhere in the public sphere, including personal property, no manger scenes on your lawn at Christmas time, no I heart Jesus, God, Moses, Allah, etc. bumper stickers.

    All for the sake of the oh so delicate sensibilities of the non believers.

    I agree. We should do all of this. Except Episcopal churches and some Presbyterian. They are really beautiful. Also eliminate the tax-free status of religion.

    Wasn't the Pledge written as a marketing tool for the Chicago World's Fair?
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    Sep 11, 2014 5:04 PM GMT
    I don't have a problem with the tax free status of religion as long as we have a separation of church and state. If anything, the separation should be made stronger to the point that it does not cause harm to others.

    However, I will also say that housing for religious people (not on church grounds) should not be tax exempt. Fine line there.
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    Sep 11, 2014 5:31 PM GMT
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    UndercoverMan saidI can't remember the last time I said the POA.

    Don't really care enough one way or the other.

    But while we're at it we should erase god from our money, our national monuments, no more mention of god at opening prayers in congress or presidential inaugurations, no swearing on Bibles in courts, etc. And all references to a supreme being should be whited out of the DOI and any other national documents.

    Churches and other houses of worship should not allowed to have any identifying symbols or architectural embellishments (steeples, stained glass windows, bell towers, minarets, crosses, stars of David, crescent moons etc.) that readily identify them as houses of worship as these may offend non believers. Why stop there? There should be a law prohibiting the display of any religious symbols anywhere in the public sphere, including personal property, no manger scenes on your lawn at Christmas time, no I heart Jesus, God, Moses, Allah, etc. bumper stickers.

    All for the sake of the oh so delicate sensibilities of the non believers.

    I agree. We should do all of this. Except Episcopal churches and some Presbyterian. They are really beautiful. Also eliminate the tax-free status of religion.

    Wasn't the Pledge written as a marketing tool for the Chicago World's Fair?


    NO EXCEPTIONS! If it looks too churchy (steeples, stained glass, crosses, etc.) it has to be torn down! No exceptions for beauty (quite a subjective term). Episcopalians and Presbyterians be damned. Believers should be made to pray in underground bunkers lest the sound of their odious organ music and insipid hymns and chanting wafts into the delicate ears of the non believers!
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    Sep 11, 2014 8:18 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan said
    Destinharbor said
    UndercoverMan saidI can't remember the last time I said the POA.

    Don't really care enough one way or the other.

    But while we're at it we should erase god from our money, our national monuments, no more mention of god at opening prayers in congress or presidential inaugurations, no swearing on Bibles in courts, etc. And all references to a supreme being should be whited out of the DOI and any other national documents.

    Churches and other houses of worship should not allowed to have any identifying symbols or architectural embellishments (steeples, stained glass windows, bell towers, minarets, crosses, stars of David, crescent moons etc.) that readily identify them as houses of worship as these may offend non believers. Why stop there? There should be a law prohibiting the display of any religious symbols anywhere in the public sphere, including personal property, no manger scenes on your lawn at Christmas time, no I heart Jesus, God, Moses, Allah, etc. bumper stickers.

    All for the sake of the oh so delicate sensibilities of the non believers.

    I agree. We should do all of this. Except Episcopal churches and some Presbyterian. They are really beautiful. Also eliminate the tax-free status of religion.

    Wasn't the Pledge written as a marketing tool for the Chicago World's Fair?


    NO EXCEPTIONS! If it looks too churchy (steeples, stained glass, crosses, etc.) it has to be torn down! No exceptions for beauty (quite a subjective term). Episcopalians and Presbyterians be damned. Believers should be made to pray in underground bunkers lest the sound of their odious organ music and insipid hymns and chanting wafts into the delicate ears of the non believers!

    Well, OK. Just Episcopalian churches can stay. Nobody ever accused Episcopalians of being believers.
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    Sep 11, 2014 8:35 PM GMT
    It would be more accurate if the word "God" was replaced with the word "Paid."
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    Sep 12, 2014 12:02 AM GMT
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    Perhaps the 2/3 could provide a one-way ticket to the atheist paradise of choice: say China, North Korea, Cuba, or Zimbabwe. And PLEASE, take your evil clown Dear Leader with you.
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    Sep 12, 2014 12:30 AM GMT
    I doubt that is true but if they do FUCK THEM.Go ahead and try.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Sep 12, 2014 12:34 AM GMT

    I have divided emotions on this one because "under God" was inserted into the Pledge of Allegiance before I was born.
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    Sep 12, 2014 1:35 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    I have divided emotions on this one because "under God" was inserted into the Pledge of Allegiance before I was born.


    I was born and in first grade. I remember at the time thinking that it violated the First Amendment's Freedom of Religion clause. The school system I was attending had initially had us learn the original and then changed it during the year, which was apparently done by the state prior to its being enacted federally by the Congress in 1954.

    As a side note, the pledge is usually recited incorrectly, as "under God" is not set off by commas, but it is to be included in the phrase "[pause]...one nation under God,...[pause]."

    I thought then and I think now that the Pledge was more appropriate without the reference to a deity.
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    Sep 12, 2014 2:09 AM GMT
    I don't like religion and government mixing at all. Government should be neutral when it comes to religious references. I'm not real keen on "pledging allegiance" to things, either. It's just a form of indoctrination. We should love the country because it's our home and not because we're coerced into "pledging allegiance".
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    Sep 12, 2014 2:16 AM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidI can't remember the last time I said the POA.

    I did this past Monday night, at a City Planning and Zoning Commission meeting I attended, and wrote about elsewhere on RJ. It was just a procedural meeting, not the opening of Congress, for heaven's sakes, but the rule is for the entire audience to get up to recite the POA.

    Which I did. But I didn't voice the "under God" part. I think that violates the separation of church & state. Let them arrest me.
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    Sep 12, 2014 2:27 AM GMT
    waccamatt saidI don't like religion and government mixing at all. Government should be neutral when it comes to religious references. I'm not real keen on "pledging allegiance" to things, either. It's just a form of indoctrination. We should love the country because it's our home and not because we're coerced into "pledging allegiance".

    I do have some problems of my own with this concept of the POA. For one thing, why should I pledge allegiance to a piece of colored cloth?

    Instead of saying "...and to the Republic, for which [this piece of cloth] stands..." why don't we just say: "I pledge allegiance to the United States of America"? I could be happy with that, direct and to the point.

    And of course as a retired soldier I once spoke a similar oath to obey the President, as the Commander in Chief, and was empowered to administer that same oath to other soldiers myself, as I often did. In fact, to this day, like any Federal officer, I could even legally administer the Presidential oath if called upon.

    So I understand these formalities, respect them, and have no issues with the basic concept. But the verbiage is really all wrong. I have no allegiance to cloth, I don't care what it's supposed to represent. My allegiance is to my country, to my commander while in uniform, and to my fellow citizens. And to my own conscience at all times.
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    Sep 12, 2014 2:34 AM GMT
    Let's remove it from our money first. In God We Trust.
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    Sep 12, 2014 2:38 AM GMT
    ThatSwimmerGuy saidLet's remove it from our money first. In God We Trust.

    YES!!!
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    Sep 12, 2014 3:43 AM GMT
    jockfever saidnnjwux.png

    Perhaps the 2/3 could provide a one-way ticket to the atheist paradise of choice: say China, North Korea, Cuba, or Zimbabwe. And PLEASE, take your evil clown Dear Leader with you.


    JockFever,

    Read this and weep. Watch the videos.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3801367

    Demolish and incinerate the twin towers with people still in them--under God means to be right with God and love your neighbor.

    Your credibility is contingent on your response, on this anniversary of 9/11.
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    Sep 12, 2014 3:46 AM GMT
    waccamatt saidI don't like religion and government mixing at all. Government should be neutral when it comes to religious references. I'm not real keen on "pledging allegiance" to things, either. It's just a form of indoctrination. We should love the country because it's our home and not because we're coerced into "pledging allegiance".


    Yes, mix religion and government if that would have prevented 9/11. This absence of God, the godlessness of 9/11/2001 affects the soul of this nation.

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    Sep 12, 2014 4:08 AM GMT
    Pledging under God is taking the Lord's name in vain until we are not in denial about 9/11.

    Serve God in spirit and in truth.

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    Sep 12, 2014 4:29 AM GMT
    Smokie Norful singing:

    http://youtu.be/BxxKFECN7EU
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    Sep 12, 2014 4:32 AM GMT
    StephenOABC saidSmokie Norful singing:

    http://youtu.be/BxxKFECN7EU


    4:41 Revive us, Lord
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    Sep 12, 2014 2:50 PM GMT
    A clear majority.
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    Sep 12, 2014 2:59 PM GMT
    all this god stuff was kicked up with the start of the 1950's cold war. A government marketing effort to make the communist mother Russia the big bad.

    so unfortunate a whole generation growing up than picked up on this and now we got jesus ever where.