gays and non-traditional viewpoints

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    Sep 11, 2014 5:03 AM GMT
    Non-traditional viewpoints are believing in things like astrology, conspiracy theories, vegetarianism, ghosts, etc.

    Do you think that gays are more likely to be open-minded about and accepting of non-traditional viewpoints? How would you rate them compared to heterosexual men and heterosexual women?

    For myself I'd put heterosexual men at the bottom of my list; the least likely to be accepting. But I'm not sure which would be at the top of my list, gays or women.
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    Sep 11, 2014 5:11 AM GMT
    I've never noticed any correlation between gay men and non-traditional beliefs. The exception might be astrology. Every other profile I see these days, mentions their zodiac sign and that they're looking for a potential mate with a "compatible" zodiac sign.


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    Sep 11, 2014 5:14 AM GMT
    What does that have to do with being gay?
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    Sep 11, 2014 5:48 AM GMT
    But... those things that you list are entirely based on tradition. They have no basis in reality. Does not compute.
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    Sep 11, 2014 6:02 AM GMT
    mindgarden saidBut... those things that you list are entirely based on tradition. They have no basis in reality. Does not compute.

    I was trying to use a term that didn't sound judgmental.
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    Sep 11, 2014 6:11 AM GMT
    When I asked about the theory HIV already has a cure but they wont give it away in order to keep making profits selling meds most people thought it was crazy- maybe because half of them are poz who knows, but taking that as a reference i say that no gays are not that open minded.
  • buddycat

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    Sep 11, 2014 6:26 AM GMT
    I can only speak for myself, I don't believe in any of that. I understand why someone would want to be vegetarian though and eat a lot of things vegetarians would eat but I am not a vegetarian. I eat meat.
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    Sep 11, 2014 7:26 AM GMT
    I'm on an Dxpnet and its the biggest online astrology based community on the net and the majority of the folks on it are straight males and females, there are gay folk but we're way outnumbered.

    I'm pescatarian, I eat milk and eggs myself, I've met 2 gay vegetarians in my lifetime and was through working at the vegetarian restaurant we worked at…they only hired gay people there lol….well they didn't really but everyone who ever worked there was gay or turned gay eventually lol.

    The amount of people who try to understand astrology just so they can get a good mate is just insane, they will do anything or listen to any kind of advice.
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    Sep 11, 2014 8:04 AM GMT
    The question is whether we think we have free will. For to believe in astrology, this means that the date and place of birth are key elements of our characters, but it would also mean that all people born on the same day in the same maternity, and this happens, have the same character . This should be the case for twins, true or false, but that has not obvious in reality. Then why bring in the date of birth can be caused for many reasons with its normal expiry date.
    If affects the positioning of the stars had to be the cause of our nature, it should be when life is created, so when, after coitus between parents, one sperm enters the egg and fertilizes , when cell division allows the creation of an embryo which develops to a baby.
    Certainly the environment at birth relies on our lives. But the reason is that it determines a large part of our education and our training that will occur on the way we think and react to events that we encounter in life. Some learn quickly to make decisions and take their actions, even take hits, others take refuge to the decisions of those around them and leave gradually jail while complaining of not being free .
    But like everything is not black or white, we are in fact intermediaries of all possible cases. When astrology seems to confirm that we match the type of our zodiac sign, it may push us to continue in this direction. But as the Ascendant can correct in a different sense, it also helps to explain why we are not a typical example of the main sign, but the result of a mix between the education received from our parents, society, the period and the country we live in, the people we meet, etc.
    So I think it is only possible to live without seeking an explanation, following the principles we believe in and respect for others who think otherwise.
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    Sep 11, 2014 12:47 PM GMT
    I think astrology is jut a conspiracy against the aligning of planets, and vegetarians should eat more ghosts cause they're high in protein without being animal-based.

    I also think pepperoni pizza goes great with New Castle brown ale.
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    Sep 11, 2014 3:18 PM GMT
    I'm pretty much open minded about most things in that I do not pretend to know everything; however, I'm not so interested in most things that I'm consumed by them. For instance, I do not believe or disbelieve in astrology, but lean more towards disbelief so I'm not so interested in it to follow it or learn much about it, much less let it run my life or pick my love interests. Now, if tomorrow someone proved that the tenets of astrology are based in fact, then I'd say that's nice; I should learn more about it.
  • theob

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    Sep 11, 2014 3:23 PM GMT
    I would define a non-traditional viewpoint as something legitimate but not widely accepted. For example, the belief that we are entirely biological with no spiritual component. Most people believe in weird mystical stuff. To not believe in it seems to go against the grain these days - although that is rapidly changing thanks to the internet.

    Of the things listed:

    Astrology - not legitimate. It predicts that all psychopaths or anyone with a personality or mental disorder must be born in the same month. So I ask you. Which astrological sign makes you a defective human being? Pisces? Taurus?

    Conspiracy Theories. Don't even need to waste my breath here. Most are too complicated to be feasible.

    Vegetarianism. Not even a set of beliefs. It's a practice that people follow for many reasons.

    Maybe a better way to phrase the question: Do gay guys believe in false bullshit? I'm sure they do but not at levels greater than the general population. Possibly even lower than the general population because many gays don't believe the biggest piece of bullshit they were taught - religion.
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    Sep 11, 2014 3:26 PM GMT
    cgr1 saidThe question is whether we think we have free will...


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    Sep 11, 2014 3:35 PM GMT
    Lumpyoatmeal saidNon-traditional viewpoints are believing in things like astrology, conspiracy theories, vegetarianism, ghosts, etc.


    Astrology, conspiracy theories and ghosts are just pasttimes for the tutti frutti who have a screw loose up there.
    Vegetarianism, yea well I get why people would go that route, seeing how animals are treated most of the time; but I'll still enjoy my chicken and beef (no pun intended).

    Anyway, it's just a matter of how you were raised, how educated you are and how your life went.
    I for one am very conservative and that's not exactly a trait commonly attributed to gays. For example, I am against gay marriage despite being gay myself.

    I think it's just that many gay guys have made a heap of bad experiences in life that have turned them to become strange and open to weird beliefs.
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    Sep 11, 2014 3:36 PM GMT
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    mindgarden saidBut... those things that you list are entirely based on tradition. They have no basis in reality. Does not compute.

    I was trying to use a term that didn't sound judgmental.


    Why this refrain against being "judgmental?" Whatever the [S]ource, we were given brains to think with, which includes forming judgments. To my mind, not using that faculty is a total cop-out and a dereliction of one's duty as a cognizant being.
  • madsexy

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    Sep 11, 2014 5:32 PM GMT
    I'll say what I've said before - like a broken record - gay men are all too often judgmental of each other and of everyone else despite our oppression through intolerance. WTF! No, I don't think gays are more open to ideas which are non-traditional!
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    Sep 11, 2014 6:37 PM GMT
    Lumpyoatmeal saidNon-traditional viewpoints are believing in things like astrology, conspiracy theories, vegetarianism, ghosts, etc.

    Do you think that gays are more likely to be open-minded about and accepting of non-traditional viewpoints? How would you rate them compared to heterosexual men and heterosexual women?

    For myself I'd put heterosexual men at the bottom of my list; the least likely to be accepting. But I'm not sure which would be at the top of my list, gays or women.


    I don't think that vegetarianism belongs with that list. A balanced Vegetarian diet has been scientifically proven to have benefits.

    I'm open to what can be proven with facts. I enjoy variety and differences that fall within that.

    In regards to some of the other things mentioned, I think it can be fun to play around with but I don't take it seriously...again...unless there are logical facts that back it up.
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    Sep 11, 2014 8:19 PM GMT
    Lumpyoatmeal saidNon-traditional viewpoints are believing in things like astrology, conspiracy theories, vegetarianism, ghosts, etc.

    Do you think that gays are more likely to be open-minded about and accepting of non-traditional viewpoints? How would you rate them compared to heterosexual men and heterosexual women?

    For myself I'd put heterosexual men at the bottom of my list; the least likely to be accepting. But I'm not sure which would be at the top of my list, gays or women.


    Those that you have listed sound pretty old school conservative to me. Gays on the whole are pretty conservative cause they are mostly pretty timid and find comfort in being part of the herd . Gay fashion and music are the perfect examples . Remember two years ago when every gay guy had to wear a hoody with a white zipper?
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    Sep 11, 2014 8:35 PM GMT
    people like categorise everything don't they?
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    Sep 12, 2014 5:46 AM GMT
    I guess it all depends on how you see yourself.

    If you are gay and different.. then yeah, I can see someone embracing those things to further that.

    But if you are gay and want to conform, then you are more likely to grow corn and go to mass icon_razz.gif
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    Sep 12, 2014 11:06 AM GMT
    Lumpyoatmeal saidNon-traditional viewpoints are believing in things like astrology, conspiracy theories, vegetarianism, ghosts, etc.

    Do you think that gays are more likely to be open-minded about and accepting of non-traditional viewpoints? How would you rate them compared to heterosexual men and heterosexual women?

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    With the exception of vegitarianism, those are all traditional beliefs in superstitious nonsense. Vegetarianism is just a personal choice. Some people prefer not to eat meat. What is there to dispute or disbelieve about that?

    Gay men seem more open minded to new experiences. Having a mind open to explore new music, try new food, travel to new places, follow scientific discoveries and to read old and new books seems unrelated to following traditional superstitions. Remember, it was traditional nonsense about gay people that harmed us for centuries.
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    Sep 12, 2014 2:10 PM GMT
    yes; especially gay men >30years old
    up till now have not experienced a lot of acceptance. through much of their life they were not part of the daily grind so this could put their views on life out of line with the average straight man.

    even last week there was a you tube video of a gay son getting kicked out of the house and dis owned for being gay. Imagine what it was like just 5 or more years ago. I cant see how any boy threatened by this every day of his family live would harbor a typical view on life as an adult.
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    Sep 12, 2014 2:49 PM GMT
    theob saidI would define a non-traditional viewpoint as something legitimate but not widely accepted. For example, the belief that we are entirely biological with no spiritual component. Most people believe in weird mystical stuff. To not believe in it seems to go against the grain these days - although that is rapidly changing thanks to the internet.

    Of the things listed:

    Astrology - not legitimate. It predicts that all psychopaths or anyone with a personality or mental disorder must be born in the same month. So I ask you. Which astrological sign makes you a defective human being? Pisces? Taurus?

    Conspiracy Theories. Don't even need to waste my breath here. Most are too complicated to be feasible.

    Vegetarianism. Not even a set of beliefs. It's a practice that people follow for many reasons.

    Maybe a better way to phrase the question: Do gay guys believe in false bullshit? I'm sure they do but not at levels greater than the general population. Possibly even lower than the general population because many gays don't believe the biggest piece of bullshit they were taught - religion.


    But gays' rejection of religion is not based on intellect. They reject it because they're all butthurt.
  • madsexy

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    Sep 12, 2014 3:40 PM GMT
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    theob saidI would define a non-traditional viewpoint as something legitimate but not widely accepted. For example, the belief that we are entirely biological with no spiritual component. Most people believe in weird mystical stuff. To not believe in it seems to go against the grain these days - although that is rapidly changing thanks to the internet.

    Of the things listed:

    Astrology - not legitimate. It predicts that all psychopaths or anyone with a personality or mental disorder must be born in the same month. So I ask you. Which astrological sign makes you a defective human being? Pisces? Taurus?

    Conspiracy Theories. Don't even need to waste my breath here. Most are too complicated to be feasible.

    Vegetarianism. Not even a set of beliefs. It's a practice that people follow for many reasons.

    Maybe a better way to phrase the question: Do gay guys believe in false bullshit? I'm sure they do but not at levels greater than the general population. Possibly even lower than the general population because many gays don't believe the biggest piece of bullshit they were taught - religion.


    But gays' rejection of religion is not based on intellect. They reject it because they're all butthurt.

    Way to generalize! icon_rolleyes.gif