If Scotland can secede, so can Texas

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    Sep 11, 2014 5:46 PM GMT
    Bub-bye, poor Austin icon_lol.gif

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  • roadbikeRob

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    Sep 12, 2014 12:30 AM GMT

    Texas doesn't really want to be a part of the US in the first place so secede as soon as possible. The US doesn't need Texas and the US can survive very easily without the Giant Tea Party State of Texas. Texans are not real Americans in the first place and hate being called Yankees by foreign nationals. Lets make Texas a UN administered special reservation for war mongering neocons and NARROW MINDED BIBLE THUMPING SCREWBALLS since the overwhelming majority of Texans are conservative fundamentalist Christians.
  • Apparition

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    Sep 12, 2014 5:25 AM GMT
    The more pieces america breaks into, the safer the world will be. Im not exactly sure with your politics being 50/50 division every time and such a huge geography and population that you cant have one country and 2 sets of laws. Republicans can pay taxes to their priorities and use those services, and democrats pay a higher fee and enjoy more services. Gay democrat tax payers could have same sex marriages and benefits, universal healthcare, abortions and no religion, and republican tax payers could say prayers in their haf of schools, not get abortions, and private for profit hospitals. Seems silly to get nothing done and idiots running both parties trying to attract the opposite when you wouldnt have to. Republicans could move closer to the middle to attract independents, since they wouldnt have to compete to pkease the wack religious people, they would already have them. The democrats could eliminate war spending, make school mandatory til 21, and have some nice treed reserves without oil wells. Etc.
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    Sep 12, 2014 2:18 PM GMT
    there would be enormous financial repercussions for any section of the country if they were to secede.
    that dosnt stop them from talking about it
    dosnt seem to stop people from listening
  • tj85016

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    Sep 12, 2014 2:34 PM GMT
    Texas would fall apart if they lost all their US military bases and had to raise taxes to provide for their own defense.

    Never happen, ever.
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    Sep 12, 2014 3:51 PM GMT
    Oh quit the doom and gloom. Texas is an economic powerhouse and easily dwarfs most other countries.

    Regardless of the legality of secession, it's the only reason the United States exists as it does today. How brainwashed does everyone need to be to assume that the U.S. would be better off without Texas. That's nearly 10% of our population, some of our largest corporations and a fantastic portfolio of military men and women.
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    Sep 12, 2014 4:04 PM GMT

    Hmmm...well it appears 35% of Texas's State revenue comes from federal money, so they'll have to figure out a way to make up for that if they secede. Roughly 32 billion in federal money received annually.
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    Sep 12, 2014 4:12 PM GMT
    BROTIE saidOh quit the doom and gloom. Texas is an economic powerhouse and easily dwarfs most other countries.

    Regardless of the legality of secession, it's the only reason the United States exists as it does today. How brainwashed does everyone need to be to assume that the U.S. would be better off without Texas. That's nearly 10% of our population, some of our largest corporations and a fantastic portfolio of military men and women.

    The military bases are Federal and would close. Even the Texas National Guard is largely funded by the US, and the weapons & equipment come from the Feds, too. Texans would have to tax themselves to create their own armed forces, virtually from scratch.

    And I question how many of those "largest corporations" would remain there once Texas became independent. I strongly support Texas secession. Exactly what those Right Wing Christian yahoos deserve, and it might scare any other US States from similar ideas.

    The best part would be when Mexico reasserts its sovereign territorial claims to Texas (tay-has), and makes them all Spanish-speaking Mexicans with legal gay marriage. That would be the ultimate ironic justice on several levels.
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    Sep 12, 2014 4:12 PM GMT
    The above are 2013 numbers. in 2013 there were 11 million employed people, so each one would have to pay about $2,900 extra every year in various taxes to make up the difference. This is without having to fund their own military or borders.
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    Sep 12, 2014 4:49 PM GMT
    BROTIE saidOh quit the doom and gloom. Texas is an economic powerhouse and easily dwarfs most other countries.

    Regardless of the legality of secession, it's the only reason the United States exists as it does today. How brainwashed does everyone need to be to assume that the U.S. would be better off without Texas. That's nearly 10% of our population, some of our largest corporations and a fantastic portfolio of military men and women.



    5 reasons we would be better off without Texas:

    1) The Tea Party run state STEALS (bribes) jobs and companies from other states, namely its biggest rival, California. Not that people actually want to live in Texas but rather are forced to, its the same all over the south, nobody of intelligence wants to really live there. I cant tell you how many people I know that had to choose, move to Texas or the south because their job did or stay in California where their home, family, social life is and hope to get another job. A lot of Californians have said, fuck you to Texas.

    2) And yes, Texas (republican) and California (democrat) are rivals. Texas and its republicans are out to destroy America by this rivalry. Texas wants to be the 'new Washington DC'. Texas and its republicans along with CA state republicans would like to see the state of California, its biggest rival, divided into six different states destroying its economy (6th largest in the world) and create division in the state so that republicans can infiltrate and break up the democratic strong holds. Democrats tend to unify.

    3) California has a solid infrastructure due to regulations, Texas has a crumbling one due to lack of regulations. Cost of living is higher in CA, therefore wages are higher, while Texas cost of living is very cheap, wages are very low. All US workers want higher wages.

    4) Corporate Greed- those companies who wish to join Texas' way of life, poor infrastructure, low wage, low tax, low housing, low social life lacking diversity, high corporate profits, soft regulations or oversight, those companies are only looking to benefit themselves, not the people who are forced to live and work there. Would you want to work for and be treated like cattle?

    5) Cultural differences- this should be self explanatory, this is what currently divides our nation, maybe the US should secede the entire south and Texas can become its capitol. We are the divided states of America because of the south, cut them loose.
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    Sep 12, 2014 4:59 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said...
    "The best part would be when Mexico reasserts its sovereign territorial claims to Texas ... [superfluous translation deleted], and makes them [sic] all Spanish-speaking Mexicans with legal gay marriage. That would be the ultimate ironic justice on several levels."

    Straight out of the Zimmermann Telegram. It didn't work then and it won't work now. Whatever their other perceived faults, Texans are fiercely independent and aren't afraid to defend that independence. Would that other Americans shared their willingness to aggressively defend our sovereignty and liberty instead of caving at every turn.
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    Sep 12, 2014 5:23 PM GMT
    MGINSD saidArt_Deco said...
    "The best part would be when Mexico reasserts its sovereign territorial claims to Texas ... [superfluous translation deleted], and makes them [sic] all Spanish-speaking Mexicans with legal gay marriage. That would be the ultimate ironic justice on several levels."

    Straight out of the Zimmermann Telegram. It didn't work then and it won't work now. Whatever their other perceived faults, Texans are fiercely independent and aren't afraid to defend that independence Would that other Americans shared their willingness to aggressively defend our sovereignty and liberty instead of caving at every turn.



    ^even more reason for them to secede, you cant be United (with the rest of us) when you fiercely want to be independent

    United States of America, not the Independent States of America ^see #5 above, cultural differences
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    Sep 12, 2014 5:59 PM GMT
    They could re-open the Texas Embassy in London.
    travel-warnings-texas-embassy-london-uk.

    It was a Tex Mex restaurant just off Trafalgar Square (closed in 2012).

    But there really was a Texas Embassy (or 'Legation') in London from 1836 to 1845. For a few years it occupied part of a building near St James Palace.
    LondonTexasLegationPlaque2.jpg

    LondonTexasLegation3.jpg

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    Sep 12, 2014 6:11 PM GMT

    Lets just get it over with, something Texans will understand


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    Sep 12, 2014 7:16 PM GMT
    Interestingly, as I recall from my grammar school days, when Texas came into the Union, the right was included in the annexation package that Texas could agree to break itself up into as many as five individual states which could then become automatically part of the USA, should it so desire.
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Sep 12, 2014 7:33 PM GMT
    The Constitution of Texas, Article 1, Sect 2:

    "All political power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their benefit. The faith of the people of Texas stands pledged to the preservation of a republican form of government, and, subject to this limitation only, they have at all times the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient."

    Not surprising, right, Texas! BUT... Connecticut, New Hampshire, Kentucky, Tennessee, North Carolina, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, etc., a total of thirty-five U.S. state constitutions all contain a "Right of Revolution" clause, many of them explicitly stating "by any means expedient to the people", or similar language.

    The Declaration of Independence did not end our right to revolt; it enshrined it as the most basic principle of our liberty.
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    Sep 12, 2014 7:48 PM GMT
    It could be worse...I could spill my glass of green tea.
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    Sep 12, 2014 9:59 PM GMT
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    MGINSD saidArt_Deco said...
    "The best part would be when Mexico reasserts its sovereign territorial claims to Texas ... [superfluous translation deleted], and makes them [sic] all Spanish-speaking Mexicans with legal gay marriage. That would be the ultimate ironic justice on several levels."

    Straight out of the Zimmermann Telegram. It didn't work then and it won't work now. Whatever their other perceived faults, Texans are fiercely independent and aren't afraid to defend that independence Would that other Americans shared their willingness to aggressively defend our sovereignty and liberty instead of caving at every turn.



    ^even more reason for them to secede, you cant be United (with the rest of us) when you fiercely want to be independent

    United States of America, not the Independent States of America ^see #5 above, cultural differences


    For the record, to avoid any possible confusion, or further misrepresentation, the independence to which I referred was Texas' independence from Mexico, as best evidenced by the former's history.
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    Sep 12, 2014 10:01 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidThey could re-open the Texas Embassy in London.
    travel-warnings-texas-embassy-london-uk.

    It was a Tex Mex restaurant just off Trafalgar Square (closed in 2012).

    But there really was a Texas Embassy (or 'Legation') in London from 1836 to 1845. For a few years it occupied part of a building near St James Palace.
    LondonTexasLegationPlaque2.jpg

    LondonTexasLegation3.jpg



    Very cool! Good history and pics. I wonder if and where any other Texas legations or even embassies were located.
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    Sep 12, 2014 10:29 PM GMT
    I will vote yes for any of the southern states that want to secede.

    Save our nation 100s of Millions $$$$$.
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Sep 12, 2014 11:53 PM GMT
    blackhawksfan saidI will vote yes for any of the southern states that want to secede.

    Save our nation 100s of Millions $$$$$.


    You mean, the entire education systems in... Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, would collapse without revenue from... Connecticut, Massachusetts.. yes, "we" would save "millions."
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    Sep 13, 2014 12:42 AM GMT
    Liberal hypocrites: you expose your true colors by excluding others.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Sep 13, 2014 1:56 AM GMT
    scruffLA said
    BROTIE saidOh quit the doom and gloom. Texas is an economic powerhouse and easily dwarfs most other countries.

    Regardless of the legality of secession, it's the only reason the United States exists as it does today. How brainwashed does everyone need to be to assume that the U.S. would be better off without Texas. That's nearly 10% of our population, some of our largest corporations and a fantastic portfolio of military men and women.



    5 reasons we would be better off without Texas:

    1) The Tea Party run state STEALS (bribes) jobs and companies from other states, namely its biggest rival, California. Not that people actually want to live in Texas but rather are forced to, its the same all over the south, nobody of intelligence wants to really live there. I cant tell you how many people I know that had to choose, move to Texas or the south because their job did or stay in California where their home, family, social life is and hope to get another job. A lot of Californians have said, fuck you to Texas.

    2) And yes, Texas (republican) and California (democrat) are rivals. Texas and its republicans are out to destroy America by this rivalry. Texas wants to be the 'new Washington DC'. Texas and its republicans along with CA state republicans would like to see the state of California, its biggest rival, divided into six different states destroying its economy (6th largest in the world) and create division in the state so that republicans can infiltrate and break up the democratic strong holds. Democrats tend to unify.

    3) California has a solid infrastructure due to regulations, Texas has a crumbling one due to lack of regulations. Cost of living is higher in CA, therefore wages are higher, while Texas cost of living is very cheap, wages are very low. All US workers want higher wages.

    4) Corporate Greed- those companies who wish to join Texas' way of life, poor infrastructure, low wage, low tax, low housing, low social life lacking diversity, high corporate profits, soft regulations or oversight, those companies are only looking to benefit themselves, not the people who are forced to live and work there. Would you want to work for and be treated like cattle?

    5) Cultural differences- this should be self explanatory, this is what currently divides our nation, maybe the US should secede the entire south and Texas can become its capitol. We are the divided states of America because of the south, cut them loose.
    California isn't the only state that is the target of Texas trying to wrongfully pirate companies. Both New York and Illinois have also been major targets as well. The lesbian mayor of Houston wants to make her city the corporate headquarters capital of the US by going to both Chicago and New York City and enticing major corporations to move their headquarters to Houston. Governor Rick Perry has also been known to participate in such excursions so he can boast about Texas superior economy, low taxes, and quality of life. Texas infrastructure is not only poor it is third world. It is poorly designed and slapped up any old way to finish the job quickly similar to how they do infrastructure projects in several third world countries like Mexico. As for cost of living, it is not as cheap as it is perceived. Housing costs are astronomical in many parts of Texas. Renting an apartment is a real nightmare because of the constantly skyrocketing rents. Try renting a one bedroom apartment or an efficiency apartment in cities like San Antonio, Austin, Fort Worth, and Dallas. You are in for some real sticker shock. I don't know about rents in Houston, El Paso or in other parts of the lone star shithole, but rents in these other four cities are astronomically high and the wage scale stinks. You literally have to work two jobs in order to afford to live in San Antonio, Austin, Fort Worth, and Dallas. Oh yeah, taxes are dirt cheap and grocery prices are very reasonable along with most utilities but housing costs are ridiculously high considering the lousy wage scale.
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    Sep 13, 2014 1:58 AM GMT
    mx5guynj saidLiberal hypocrites: you expose your true colors by excluding others.


    So what does that say about the conservatives advocating secession?


    Edit: After coming across one of his posts that equates Marriage Equality with incest, amongst other stupid things, I have activated the ignore button.
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    Sep 13, 2014 9:21 AM GMT
    coolarmydude said

    Edit: After coming across one of his posts that equates Marriage Equality with incest, amongst other stupid things, I have activated the ignore button.


    +1 The guy's just a typical unhinged attention-seeker, so deny him what he seeks the most. Ignored.