The Dark Underbelly Life Of The Male Modeling World

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    Sep 12, 2014 3:55 PM GMT
    Are we (gay men) just prettier? Modeling and Porn, while straight men look to 'normal' professions
    I am not knocking the modeling profession, but again, it seems to be stereotyping


    https://www.yahoo.com/style/the-dark-underbelly-life-of-the-male-modeling-world-97227394953.html

    On a recent September weekday during New York’s Fashion Week showing the Spring 2015 collections, editors, buyers and other honchos on the male side of the fashion world—most of them gay men who all seemed to know one another, many of them in mid-thigh tailored shorts and sockless oxfords—milled through a series of rooms at Industria, the photo studios in downtown Manhattan. Lubricated with drinks from a free bar, they perused presentations from various designers. In every room, male models—almost uniformly tall, rail-thin, white, Northern European-looking and twentysomething—stood in formations, nearly immobile, their chisel-cheeked faces impassive. Industry types examined and occasionally approached them, feeling the fabric of their form-fitting garments and sometimes turning back lapels or hems to look at stitching and construction.
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    Sep 12, 2014 5:18 PM GMT
    This doesn't surprise me one bit. Kinda hot story actually.... icon_smile.gif
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    Sep 12, 2014 5:34 PM GMT
    It's really funny that you posted that now because yesterday I attended an ex's runway show (where I was mistaken by a fan for his BODYGUARD - I know, HOW Whitney Houston/Kevin Costner) featuring his Spring Men's Collection and all the models fit the article's physical description of "almost uniformly tall, rail-thin, white, Northern European-looking and twentysomething" - including the very black one! Male models like doing his shows because he never hits on them but what the article doesn't mention is when male models hit on designers, which happens, believe me. As for how he interacts with his models, male and female, he's like a protective dad (and he's younger than me). During rehearsal it was a blast watching him choreograph them and runway walk himself (he modeled himself once), and then hear him say "And that's how an OLD man does it!" (*snap*) However, afterwards in the lobby I observed what you younger RJ members might call a "creeper" in the industry all over a couple of them inviting them for Happy Hour and at least one agreed. As for those boys being slouchy and impassive, a couple of things:

    1) They're trained to be impassive in the face of distraction, like show dogs. Comes in handy when flash bulbs are in your face. If only Alec Baldwin and the Kardashians could master that skill.

    2) Exiting the building in street clothes they all looked approachable, all smiles.

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    Sep 12, 2014 5:37 PM GMT
    pazzy saidwell, this is why i don't like modeling, the modeling industry and etc. it basically objectifies people to the point of dehumanization. a lot of folks especially young guys think that shit is cool where they feel they get validation points @ the thought of someone admiring them for their looks. however, it's NOT the same thing as respect or people liking them as a person though.

    you have some people that try to flip it around as it not being that BUT it's exactly what it is.


    STFU YOU DON'T LIKE ANYTHING!!!!!!!
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    Sep 12, 2014 9:18 PM GMT
    It all sounds so dark and forbidding....nevermind the seamy underbelly of corporate America with all those execs hitting on their assistants....
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    Sep 12, 2014 9:18 PM GMT
    silver_phoenix saidGay men may be "prettier" but str8 guys are more handsome and hotter.

    Well, they have a bigger pool to work with. But if were talking by realtive population, gay man are IMHO, more attractive...
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    Sep 12, 2014 10:05 PM GMT
    The darkest side of the male modeling world is the flak they receive from people who aren't in or acquainted with the business.
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    Sep 13, 2014 2:12 AM GMT
    eagermuscle said...what the article doesn't mention is when male models hit on designers, which happens, believe me.... During rehearsal it was a blast watching him choreograph them and runway walk himself (he modeled himself once), and then hear him say "And that's how an OLD man does it!" (*snap*) However, afterwards in the lobby I observed what you younger RJ members might call a "creeper" in the industry all over a couple of them inviting them for Happy Hour and at least one agreed.


    The article does mention it, the savvier models flirt to advance their career, even if they're straight. Most of the models are straight. It's everyone else in the industry who are gay.
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    Sep 13, 2014 2:33 AM GMT
    jmusmc85 said
    silver_phoenix saidGay men may be "prettier" but str8 guys are more handsome and hotter.

    Well, they have a bigger pool to work with. But if were talking by realtive population, gay man are IMHO, more attractive...



    Assuming us outsiders could actually tell gay from straight guy models, just by their appearance, today is much more difficult to tell unless you actually ask them their sexual orientation, 'casting couch' has been a Hollywood staple for years, especially for women in the biz, I would expect the same has transferred to male modeling careers as well by those same, like minded higher ups.

    In the corporate world, I would have such a guilty conscience if I chose to sleep with higher ups to further my career in what ever business I was in, I have enjoyed a life path career of integrity so far. Its like you have sold your soul for success. I dunno, some will, some wont, some do. Once you do though, you are owned and that just scares the crap out of me.
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    Sep 13, 2014 2:38 AM GMT
    theonewhoknocks said
    eagermuscle said...what the article doesn't mention is when male models hit on designers, which happens, believe me.... During rehearsal it was a blast watching him choreograph them and runway walk himself (he modeled himself once), and then hear him say "And that's how an OLD man does it!" (*snap*) However, afterwards in the lobby I observed what you younger RJ members might call a "creeper" in the industry all over a couple of them inviting them for Happy Hour and at least one agreed.


    The article does mention it, the savvier models flirt to advance their career, even if they're straight. Most of the models are straight. It's everyone else in the industry who are gay.


    so the photographer, the assistant, the driver, the?....


    also after reading this article, or lower half, should i be happy that i am an asian who would never have a chance to model and be harassed?

    this article could be tagged #white male model problems
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    Sep 13, 2014 2:43 AM GMT
    also can we talk about if a gay man would flirt with a straight female supervisor or higher up to advance in this world? WOULD YOU?
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    Sep 13, 2014 2:54 AM GMT
    leafgreen saidalso can we talk about if a gay man would flirt with a straight female supervisor or higher up to advance in this world? WOULD YOU?


    OMG, that happened to me, except in reverse, she, Cynthia, the higher up, flirted with me at work, I had to a apologize to her for wearing Axe body spray that apparently she liked, when she told me I smelled good sitting next to her in several meetings icon_razz.gif
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    Sep 13, 2014 4:20 AM GMT
    leafgreen said
    theonewhoknocks said
    eagermuscle said...what the article doesn't mention is when male models hit on designers, which happens, believe me.... During rehearsal it was a blast watching him choreograph them and runway walk himself (he modeled himself once), and then hear him say "And that's how an OLD man does it!" (*snap*) However, afterwards in the lobby I observed what you younger RJ members might call a "creeper" in the industry all over a couple of them inviting them for Happy Hour and at least one agreed.


    The article does mention it, the savvier models flirt to advance their career, even if they're straight. Most of the models are straight. It's everyone else in the industry who are gay.


    so the photographer, the assistant, the driver, the?....


    also after reading this article, or lower half, should i be happy that i am an asian who would never have a chance to model and be harassed?

    this article could be tagged #white male model problems


    @ theonewhoknocks:

    1) Whoops! The article DOES mention it. I missed the "READ MORE" button because I was so tired from schlepping back late night from the city from an actual midtown NYFW runway show and Tribeca after party instead of reading about them. I'm not used to that pace and all that networking anymore, I don't go out much these days, and I haven't been handed so many business cards in so short a time in years.

    2) I think ALL the models in his show were straight. Statistically improbable, but that's what I was told.

    @ leafgreen:

    3) In his show there was not only a black but an Asian male model. Don't let being Asian be your excuse for not being a male runway model. You have other excuses!
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    Sep 13, 2014 5:22 AM GMT
    eagermuscle said
    leafgreen said
    theonewhoknocks said
    eagermuscle said...what the article doesn't mention is when male models hit on designers, which happens, believe me.... During rehearsal it was a blast watching him choreograph them and runway walk himself (he modeled himself once), and then hear him say "And that's how an OLD man does it!" (*snap*) However, afterwards in the lobby I observed what you younger RJ members might call a "creeper" in the industry all over a couple of them inviting them for Happy Hour and at least one agreed.


    The article does mention it, the savvier models flirt to advance their career, even if they're straight. Most of the models are straight. It's everyone else in the industry who are gay.


    so the photographer, the assistant, the driver, the?....


    also after reading this article, or lower half, should i be happy that i am an asian who would never have a chance to model and be harassed?

    this article could be tagged #white male model problems


    @ theonewhoknocks:

    1) Whoops! The article DOES mention it. I missed the "READ MORE" button because I was so tired from schlepping back late night from the city from an actual midtown NYFW runway show and Tribeca after party instead of reading about them. I'm not used to that pace and all that networking anymore, I don't go out much these days, and I haven't been handed so many business cards in so short a time in years.

    2) I think ALL the models in his show were straight. Statistically improbable, but that's what I was told.

    @ leafgreen:

    3) In his show there was not only a black but an Asian male model. Don't let being Asian be your excuse for not being a male runway model. You have other excuses!


    Im short! icon_biggrin.gif
    but nah, i was kidding, no intention into modeling in the first place
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    Sep 13, 2014 1:48 PM GMT
    This happens in every industry to an extent. I remember I had a really awesome boss, but he slapped my ass on a few occassions. I just ignored it and moved on. whatever.
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    Sep 13, 2014 3:21 PM GMT
    I actually recall those days. There was a model agency called Madison Avenue Muscle that provided models for potential designs using fabrics as diverse as denim through silk. Those of course were the days when the U.S. textile titans existed before replacement by the Chinese. There is no doubt that the business that replaced it is queer as the proverbial three dollar bill.

    I am sure it continues to be a fun scene.
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    Sep 13, 2014 3:55 PM GMT
    Yeah, cuz no one ever got sexually harassed emptying shit out containers or working in supermarkets.

    A lot of pressure could be removed from the models if the agencies just flat out told the models that they were banned from sleeping with any clients / photographers without the agency's blessing.
    "My agency told me I can't." is a pretty powerful sentence for an 18 year old.
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    Sep 13, 2014 3:59 PM GMT
    I can think of a few industries where guys get better deals, promotions, contracts, etc., because they sleep around with the people (of both sexes) above them on the corporate ladder. This is more obvious in modelling where you sell your looks, though.

    Some people do this. The others do not. It is your career, you call the shots.

    With the volume of free information available today, it is naive to believe that the guys who go into modelling happen to be entirely unaware of this phenomenon.

    Whenever you enter the world in which few hours of work pay a multiple median salary, you know that if you want to have the things you have never had before, you have to do the things you have never done before. This does not automatically include sex. But it does mean that you have to close both your eyes and your ears to what's going on around you at times.

    No doubt, a few guys have benefitted from their sexual escapades in the short run. But if you really do not have what it takes to succeed in your particular field of work, you'll be given a chance or two (something that the others may not get), and then, it is over...

    Nope, I would not worry to much about the downsides attached to the modelling business. There are much harder ways to make a living, and subside on the level of the working poor,too.

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    Sep 13, 2014 5:17 PM GMT
    Male models make less money than their female counterparts.

    Equal pay for equal work, anyone?
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    Sep 13, 2014 6:08 PM GMT
    Put aging men in a position where they can manipulate gorgeous young things and voila you have exploitation ...........shocker !!
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    Sep 13, 2014 7:17 PM GMT
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    Sep 13, 2014 7:59 PM GMT
    pazzy said
    SilverRRCloud saidI can think of a few industries where guys get better deals, promotions, contracts, etc., because they sleep around with the people (of both sexes) above them on the corporate ladder. This is more obvious in modelling where you sell your looks, though.

    Some people do this. The others do not. It is your career, you call the shots.

    With the volume of free information available today, it is naive to believe that the guys who go into modelling happen to be entirely unaware of this phenomenon.

    Whenever you enter the world in which few hours of work pay a multiple median salary, you know that if you want to have the things you have never had before, you have to do the things you have never done before. This does not automatically include sex. But it does mean that you have to close both your eyes and your ears to what's going on around you at times.

    No doubt, a few guys have benefitted from their sexual escapades in the short run. But if you really do not have what it takes to succeed in your particular field of work, you'll be given a chance or two (something that the others may not get), and then, it is over...

    Nope, I would not worry to much about the downsides attached to the modelling business. There are much harder ways to make a living, and subside on the level of the working poor,too.

    SC



    one thing i noticed. since WHEN was modeling an actual career though? it's NOT. just because there's been a FEW and only a FEW that have managed to make a career out of it doesn't mean that it's an actual, viable career option to be serious about where someone should gamble all their chips into that shit. that's one thing that i don't get when i hear people talking about they're getting "serious" with modeling. how are you going to be serious with something that is basically a hobby or a temp job?

    this is a case where being unrealistic and naive can come back to bite somebody in the ass IF they don't put themselves in check or think for that matter.


    Why do you keep commenting on things you know nothing about? You don't even have a job!!!
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    Sep 13, 2014 10:08 PM GMT
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    SilverRRCloud saidI can think of a few industries where guys get better deals, promotions, contracts, etc., because they sleep around with the people (of both sexes) above them on the corporate ladder. This is more obvious in modelling where you sell your looks, though.

    Some people do this. The others do not. It is your career, you call the shots.

    With the volume of free information available today, it is naive to believe that the guys who go into modelling happen to be entirely unaware of this phenomenon.

    Whenever you enter the world in which few hours of work pay a multiple median salary, you know that if you want to have the things you have never had before, you have to do the things you have never done before. This does not automatically include sex. But it does mean that you have to close both your eyes and your ears to what's going on around you at times.

    No doubt, a few guys have benefitted from their sexual escapades in the short run. But if you really do not have what it takes to succeed in your particular field of work, you'll be given a chance or two (something that the others may not get), and then, it is over...

    Nope, I would not worry to much about the downsides attached to the modelling business. There are much harder ways to make a living, and subside on the level of the working poor,too.

    SC



    one thing i noticed. since WHEN was modeling an actual career though? it's NOT. just because there's been a FEW and only a FEW that have managed to make a career out of it doesn't mean that it's an actual, viable career option to be serious about where someone should gamble all their chips into that shit where they don't look at real careers. that's one thing that i don't get when i hear people talking about they're getting "serious" with modeling. how are you going to be serious with something that is basically a hobby or a temp job?

    this is a case where being unrealistic and naive can come back to bite somebody in the ass IF they don't put themselves in check or think for that matter.


    please enlighten me as to how modeling is not an actual career? its in the same vein as any other media/entertainment related occupation. you are selling yourself, simple as that. it doesn't make it any less of a career than being a nurse, bus driver, businessman, etc
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    Sep 13, 2014 10:41 PM GMT
    Can always count on Realjock members to rationalize and normalize sexual harassment and to blame the victims for being naïve rolleyes.gif
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    Sep 14, 2014 2:28 AM GMT
    pazzy saidwell, this is why i don't like modeling, the modeling industry and etc. it basically objectifies people to the point of dehumanization. a lot of folks especially young guys think that shit is cool where they feel they get validation points @ the thought of someone admiring them for their looks. however, it's NOT the same thing as respect or people liking them as a person though. that's why i don't care too much about the whole looks shit. being objectified is not being respected. it's being disrespected. to be viewed and valued as a sex object or someone that excites someone's visuals instead of a human being.

    you have some people that try to flip it around as it not being that BUT it's exactly what it is.


    It's a career. Do you like your accountant "as a person"?