Why do many Americans not like nude beaches?

  • tbeaux

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    Jan 14, 2009 1:14 AM GMT
    Hey, I am just wondering why many Americans don't like establishing nude beaches? I understand the whole obesity and overweight matter, but like I read the LA nudity laws, which outlaws public nudity. My young mind can't really understand why nudity is such a taboo thing. Back in Spain i could be naked on a beach allllllll day and no worries, but here it's like oh god, oh man, kill him, he's nakkkey.


    Any thoughts?
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    Jan 14, 2009 1:17 AM GMT
    I agree with you.

    I hate how people freak out if someone is naked, as if a child is going to think "I saw a naked person on the beach. I'm going to have sex now with my dad and abuse alcohol and become a prostitute." But this is more or less the erroneously belief that conservative Americans go by: nudity = wrong.

    Never mind the news showing people getting blown to shit or specials on alternatrash going to some special tattoo place to ripoff their foreheads to install horns just to show America they are anti-establishment they are. But god forbit Janet Jackson shows her other tit; there's going to be 6 weeks of darkness and chaos! Just like when her other tit terrorized poor defenseless America!

    There are strange customs in other places.

    In Munich, it's taboo to walk with your shirt off ANYWHERE in public no matter how hot, EXCEPT for the parks. BUT you can be COMPLETELY naked in certain areas of the park. There's even a touristy naked area where tourists frequently (and are allowed to) stop to take pics of naked people. Gyi people sometimes shower naked in the public showers on the beaches in Tel Aviv. TOTAL. MOTHER. FUCKING. BONER!!!!!!
  • tbeaux

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    Jan 14, 2009 1:25 AM GMT
    lol i hear you on that one especially in Tel Aviv. But is there anyway to change peoples minds about it?
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    Jan 14, 2009 1:47 AM GMT
    The reason is simple: American Christian morality driving US law. The legal nude beach we have here in the Miami area is regularly under attack from fundamentalist Christian groups, who want to shut it down because it offends values that they claim represent universal community values. If they sing that song long enough, people may begin to believe them.

    Haulover beach was authorized by public vote in the early 1990s, as a deliberate attempt to attract European visitors who are accustomed to clothing-optional beaches. And indeed, when I go to Haulover today, I hear German and French being spoken, and I'm sure there are some other languages represented there I haven't yet personally heard.

    But the Christian fundamentalists persist, and there's almost always some lawsuit working its way through the courts to shut the beach down. And why? Because THEY don't like it, not because of any public outcry against it. The people of South Florida have no problem with a nude beach, but the fundamentalists will protect us from it all the same.

    It's ironic, that the fundamentalists rail against "activist courts" that might grant gay rights and other civil rights they oppose, but it's perfectly alright when they petition the courts to rule against the public in matters that concern them. The depth of their hypocrisy is bottomless.

    And so this is why the US has few nude beaches. Not because most of the people really oppose them, but because their religious leaders INSTRUCT them to oppose them. And of all the modern industrial nations, only the US allocates such influence to a self-serving special group that has neither the technical competence nor the Constitutional mandate to exercise extraordinary power over our political discourse, in this and in many other areas.
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    Jan 14, 2009 1:51 AM GMT
    xflipx saidlol i hear you on that one especially in Tel Aviv. But is there anyway to change peoples minds about it?


    Encourage openness to nudity among youth and make sure those youth become lawyers.
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    Jan 14, 2009 1:54 AM GMT
    Red_Vespa saidThe reason is simple: American Christian morality driving US law. The legal nude beach we have here in the Miami area is regularly under attack from fundamentalist Christian groups, who want to shut it down because it offends values that they claim represent universal community values. If they sing that song long enough, people may begin to believe them.


    You are SO VERY CORRECT when it comes to Florida, which is home to a lot of liberals, but at the same time home to some of the most deformed religious lunatics on the planet.

    Just to broaden what you touched on, if you take a survey of the West Coast, you'll notice that it is much less religious. However it clings on to old laws and for some reason, rather than letting them go, keeps reinforcing them. For example, Washington state has the least amount of people attending church (I think). However, there's still a law STRICTLY enforced that you CANNOT have alcohol in a strip joint. And if you are in a "strip contest" at a mainstream club and you accidentally show a pee-pee or titty, then you are IMMEDIATELY thrown out of the club. Why? Damned if I know. Meanwhile, Florida, home to religious nut-jobs, has PLENTY of strip joints where you can drink alcohol. Hell I can walk into a bar in Miami and have a REALLY hot Latin or Italian walk up to me and rub his bare penis against my back.

    I think depending on the area in the US, you just have retards who grasp on to traditional lifestyle, whether or not it's religious.
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    Jan 14, 2009 2:08 AM GMT
    I think San Onofre Beach is the only well known nude beach here in Southern California.
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    Jan 14, 2009 3:23 AM GMT
    xrichx saidI think San Onofre Beach is the only well known nude beach here in Southern California.

    Black's Beach?
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    Jan 14, 2009 3:25 AM GMT
    why should we want to be nude in public?
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    Jan 14, 2009 3:30 AM GMT
    Timberoo saidwhy should we want to be nude in public?

    Because being nude in private is such a waste of time
  • tbeaux

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    Jan 14, 2009 3:41 AM GMT
    hahaha i like that answer. i find it to be liberating. I am starting to appreciate America more for what it has, but the fundamentalist christians are kind of getting on my last nerve. hopefully the MTV generation will drive them out or help quiet them.
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    Jan 14, 2009 3:56 AM GMT
    I have no problem with them and there are several in California.....it is kinda nice and also liberatingicon_eek.gif
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    Jan 14, 2009 3:57 AM GMT
    xflipx saidhahaha i like that answer. i find it to be liberating. I am starting to appreciate America more for what it has, but the fundamentalist christians are kind of getting on my last nerve. hopefully the MTV generation will drive them out or help quiet them.


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  • swimbikerun

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    Jan 14, 2009 3:59 AM GMT
    Red_Vespa said
    xrichx saidI think San Onofre Beach is the only well known nude beach here in Southern California.

    Black's Beach?
    Black's is waaay better. The beach is flat, smooth and wide. I took friend there for his first time and he loved it!
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    Jan 14, 2009 4:02 AM GMT
    It's because Americans are a bunch of uptight pussies who think showing your nipples gives the devil a doorway into your soul through which he can possess you.

    That's why strippers are so evil.
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    Jan 14, 2009 4:08 AM GMT
    It's the Puritan belief system that has been around since the beginning of time that makes sex, sexuality, and having a good time, sins, and things to be feeling guilty about. The Church and The State are anything but seperate.

    Part of how false belief systems work is by working the emotions of their believers.

    The uptightness about things sexual, really does to go to those false belief systems, and the beliefs / manipulation they support. They make sexual things, and pleasurable things "dirty."
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    Jan 14, 2009 5:24 AM GMT
    chuckystud saidIt's the Puritan belief system that has been around since the beginning of time that makes sex, sexuality, and having a good time, sins, and things to be feeling guilty about.

    Almost, at least for the sex part. Puritans were actually all about having great sex and enjoying it; kept your spouse happy after all. But they had the whole shame business going along with it as well, that it was something that needed to be kept only between married couples as, presumably, any deep discussion of it much less public acts of even nudity would compel all involved to devolve into an unrestrained orgy of sin and decadence. One pair of titties and suddenly all the (straight) men become sexually depraved deviants whose sole thoughts consisted of horny fornication. Actually....they might have been on to something there.....
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    Jan 14, 2009 5:26 AM GMT
    For me, mostly... it's the liberated fat women.
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    Jan 14, 2009 6:14 AM GMT
    New England Puritans in the 17th Century actually had some curiously permissive sexual customs. One of them was "bundling" or "tarrying."

    A man could sleep in the bed of a woman he was courting, with her parents' permission. They weren't supposed to have intercourse, but heavy petting could be allowed. Or if petting was not allowed, a wooden board might be placed between them in bed to discourage it.

    The idea was for the couple to get a better idea if they really loved each other and were compatible, before they decided to get married. Nevertheless, some contemporary reports suggest up to 1/3 of bundled women became pregnant that way, and was an argument used to end the practice by the mid-18th Century.

    Another reason for bundling was practicality in the harsh New England winters, and the stark simplicity of early homes. A man who came to court a woman might need to stay overnight, rather than attempt a ride or walk home in the frigid dark. But guest rooms and sofas were unknown, so he either slept on the freezing floor or in a family bed.

    The parents' bed was out of the question, so unless there was a brother sleeping alone, the daughter he was courting was his only option. Plus the Puritans found Old Testament justification for the practice.

    Another interesting fact is that 17th-Century community records have shown that anywhere from 1/4 to 1/3 of all Puritan brides were pregnant when they were married. In fact, it's been suggested that pregnancy, or the presumption of it, was the driving force behind the majority of Puritan marriages.

    A case perhaps of do as we preach, not as we do. A practice that continues to this day among US religious fundamentalists.
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    Jan 14, 2009 7:16 AM GMT
    maybe it's because 30% of americans are overweight and another 30% are obese. with 60% of the population being deconditioned... would you WANT us to go to nude beaches??
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    Jan 14, 2009 7:17 AM GMT
    flex89 saidIt's because Americans are a bunch of uptight pussies who think showing your nipples gives the devil a doorway into your soul through which he can possess you.

    That's why strippers are so evil.



    see, i was gonna say that, but someone beat me to it. icon_wink.gif
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    Jan 14, 2009 7:33 AM GMT
    swimbikerun said
    Red_Vespa said
    xrichx saidI think San Onofre Beach is the only well known nude beach here in Southern California.

    Black's Beach?
    Black's is waaay better. The beach is flat, smooth and wide. I took friend there for his first time and he loved it!


    Hey that's my beach...

    I have yet to venture down the nudist end. According to the other college students there is a distinct lack of anything worth seeing and it's best avoided....

    I think there needs to be an enforced hotties only nudist beach icon_wink.gif
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    Jan 14, 2009 7:40 AM GMT
    mindgarden saidFor me, mostly... it's the liberated fat women.


    I agree. not to mention the over weight hairy guy that stands in front of me and smilesicon_eek.gif CREEPY. and place I been to a nude beach and I feel I rather be naked at a bath house then out there on the beach.icon_redface.gif
  • metta

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    Jan 14, 2009 7:59 AM GMT
    California has gotten more conservative over time. I have friend that was telling me about when he first moved to California, there were more beaches where you could go nude, including Venice Beach and parts of Santa Monica, and they used to have large gay parties on the beach. He told me that this was prior to AIDS. I don't know if AIDS had anything to do with the change or if it was just people getting more conservative with the growing population.
  • tbeaux

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    Jan 14, 2009 12:59 PM GMT
    hm that's interesting, i would have thought that california would have grown more open minded hmmmmmm. from the prop 8 end i can see what you are saying, but it was also a 52% 48% pass (i think) compare that to 2000 where it was 60% to 40%, then we SHOULD have the court system on our side. they've done it before and they can do it again. the only reasoning i would think why california would be more convservative is that my and alot of your generation is pushing forward and becoming more open minded, well when you push the one side, another side will have to push just as hard (conservatives) so i guess we are getting two ends of the extreme here.