Church pastors become atheists

  • metta

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    Sep 14, 2014 6:38 AM GMT
    Church pastors become atheists

    More than 200 church leaders across the country now say they no longer believe in God, including a Houston-area pastor who was one of the first to publicly announce his decision.


    http://www.click2houston.com/news/Church-pastors-become-atheists/13654270
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    Sep 18, 2014 11:43 AM GMT
    metta8 saidChurch pastors become atheists

    More than 200 church leaders across the country now say they no longer believe in God, including a Houston-area pastor who was one of the first to publicly announce his decision.


    http://www.click2houston.com/news/Church-pastors-become-atheists/13654270


    That's because they do not study the Solar System Matrix as God. Astrology and Locational Astrology will teach them a thing or two. It would benefit them to read up on Mundane Astrology which proves the power of Astrology at the civilization level as opposed to the level of the individual.

    Even without the effects of the Solar System on the psyche of individuals and the spirit of the times, worship the Sun because it keeps us from floating out into the cold space of the Milky Way. They could also personify Life as God.

    Second, they need to read the Real Jock forums on Spirituality after they read my book The Greatest Bible Study in Historical Accuracy by Steefen, 1st Edition. Some of what's in the second edition, I've talked about here.

    Finally, it is spiritually criminal and fox in sheep's clothing for Church pastors to be atheists and agnostics.

    I see your link doesn't have any comments there in Houston. I'll see if I can write something up in the next couple of days. Thank God we're going into the weekend.

    There are errors in atheism.
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    Sep 20, 2014 4:05 AM GMT
    It's nice to know that even clergy are wising up to the nonexistence and idiocy of supernatural dogmatic beliefs.
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    Sep 20, 2014 2:38 PM GMT
    Comments closed at this time, but not at youtube.

    http://youtu.be/dHAuarW2ruE

    Mike Aus:

    1 You don't have to believe in the virgin birth is an issue.

    2 You don't have to believe Jesus feed 5,000 is an issue.

    There's not a whole lot left.

    3 Theodicy (in its most common form, is the attempt to answer the question of why a good God permits the manifestation of evil) and possibly suffering

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    Response from Steefen, author of The Greatest Bible Study in Historical Accuracy, 1st Edition (The second edition is in progress.)

    1 Virgin Birth is impossible
    my response: one of the historical Jesuses, King Izates was an "Only Begotten Son" through royal incest. (Read four books: 1) The Greatest Bible Study in Historical Accuracy by Steefen -- printed version 2) King Jesus by Ralph Ellis, 3) Jesus, King of Edessa by Ralph Ellis, and 4) Antiquities of the Jews)

    2 Feeding 5000 is impossible
    my response: there was a famine in Judea. Queen Helena and King Izates did feed 5,000. When, in the Bible, Jesus, disgruntle, says you only follow me because I feed you food, but there is spiritual food. The proselytes Queen Helena and King Izates probably would have wanted those they fed to receive spiritual nourishment as well.

    3 Theodicy ( in its most common form, is the attempt to answer the question of why a good God permits the manifestation of evil) and possibly suffering

    my response: the notion of God is wrong. Stop putting up this straw notion of God and losing your faith over it.




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    Sep 20, 2014 2:48 PM GMT
    Solar System as God (here, we capture God as Provider and Creator of Earth)

    Sun as God (here, we capture God as Provider and as Creator of Earth)

    Personification of Life as God
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    Sep 20, 2014 5:09 PM GMT
    Two thoughts:

    - Love and hate aren't opposites; they're actually close to one another.

    - When you watch how many folks treat their clergy person (like a utility who lives only to serve, versus a fellow human being who in most cases is trying his or her best to care for others), I'm hardly surprised.
  • Destinharbor

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    Sep 20, 2014 6:14 PM GMT
    Well, of course. Ask any Episcopalian. They're generally educated and read and can think.
  • goodmagic

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    Sep 20, 2014 11:15 PM GMT
    StephenOABC saidSolar System as God (here, we capture God as Provider and Creator of Earth)

    Sun as God (here, we capture God as Provider and as Creator of Earth)

    Personification of Life as God


    How can a god like the ones you describe serve me? I refuse to serve any god that does not try to serve me as well.
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    Sep 21, 2014 8:30 AM GMT
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    StephenOABC saidSolar System as God (here, we capture God as Provider and Creator of Earth)

    Sun as God (here, we capture God as Provider and as Creator of Earth)

    Personification of Life as God


    How can a god like the ones you describe serve me? I refuse to serve any god that does not try to serve me as well.


    In the case of the first notion of God, people who follow Vedic Astrology are served through remedies to life problems. You can look into fire ceremonies as an example.

    Astrology helps people see the layout of their life's paths. Just being able to know where the curves, on ramps, off ramps are and what the speed limits are, knowing when you're on a highway and when you're on local streets are a huge advantage. Just being able to drive one's life with sight serves one well.

    Without the astrological overlay, the planets of our solar system owe a lot of their creation, if not all of their creation to the Sun. Without the creation of Earth by the Sun and the dynamics of the solar system, our incarnations could not have been created. Our bodies are Earthlings. The Sun serves us because the Sun is a Provider. It gives us photosynthesis which gives us food. Is that not service enough? It gives us day and night. By giving us the Earth, we are given gravity. The Sun itself gives the Earth gravity. Holding us in these two manners is quite a service.

    Personification of Life as God serves us by the sociological perspective of Life. As we participate in society, there are so many ways human beings help each other. A good understanding of Life's rules and the various social contracts of Life serve humanity.
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    Sep 21, 2014 8:30 AM GMT
    What type of service, then, do you want from God?
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    Sep 21, 2014 10:43 PM GMT
    Theodicy ( in its most common form, is the attempt to answer the question of why a good God permits the manifestation of evil) and possibly suffering

    # # #

    Bart Ehrman says, yes, suffering is covered by theodicy.