I know as a fact I was not born gay OR straight OR bisexual... Personal experience.

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    Sep 15, 2014 10:24 PM GMT
    Simple story... When I was very young I liked men and women both. Then when I was about eight I got my first girlfriend and tried to have sex with her... She refused although she was a few years older than me. Anyway, soon after that her brother initiated sex with me. In my mind I went with the distinction that male sex is much more easier than getting female sex so I went with it. It was a CONSCIOUS choice I remember exactly. I was always attracted to females since because of my first encounter I never trusted putting forth a sexual interest. Again, it was a CONSCIOUS choice. This is not to upset you guys here but I am just saying for ME personally I know sex was a conscious choice.
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    Sep 15, 2014 10:25 PM GMT
    dude...that just means you're bi/male-pref. Also you keep repeating it to yourself like that and anyone with an ounce of psychoanalytic ability is going to see you as still grappling with your sexuality.
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    Sep 15, 2014 10:27 PM GMT
    Life2Short saiddude...that just means you're bi/male-pref. Also you keep repeating it to yourself like that and anyone with an ounce of psychoanalytic ability is going to see you as still grappling with your sexuality.


    Hmmm, okay. But I was not born with an interest in either or. It was a journey based on my environment and my decisions.
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    Sep 15, 2014 10:36 PM GMT
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    Life2Short saiddude...that just means you're bi/male-pref. Also you keep repeating it to yourself like that and anyone with an ounce of psychoanalytic ability is going to see you as still grappling with your sexuality.


    Hmmm, okay. But I was not born with an interest in either or. It was a journey based on my environment and my decisions.


    There's two options here: you're either a troll or you're in denial. You cannot "choose" to feel sexual arousal for another man. Its not something that can be learned or taught, its an innate wiring to your brain. You most likely were born with BOTH interests (bi) and due to early childhood environment, subconsciously suppressed the male attraction until rejected by a female. Its not unusual and if you want to have ANYBODY on this site other than the conservaposse talk to you in the future, i'd suggest you delete this thread as quickly as possible and think about what i've said.

    Being gay/bi/straight is NOT a choice. Science has confirmed this and psychologists have essentially confirmed that people who THINK they chose it did, in fact, conform to the above-mentioned scenario of self-discovery.
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    Sep 15, 2014 10:41 PM GMT
    I was not born into a world of parental example so I was free to do whatever I chose as a NATURAL instinct of deciding what I liked to do with my penis. It was not a gene.
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    Sep 15, 2014 10:42 PM GMT
    But homosexuality is epigenetic (changes that occur to genes while still in the womb)
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    Sep 15, 2014 10:45 PM GMT
    kevex saidBut homosexuality is epigenetic (changes that occur to genes while still in the womb)


    Have they studied this though on straight people???? Scientific agenda from both the right wing Christians and the left wing Liberals is flawed. I go with the HEART of knowing my own Truth on this now.
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    Sep 15, 2014 10:47 PM GMT
    I became completely gay BUT IT WAS MY CHOICE.
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    Sep 15, 2014 10:51 PM GMT
    When I was in the 4th grade, I knew I was different. I remember when I was hiding from my classmates after coming back from recess I hid behind the desk and this boy (Michael) saw me and jumped over the desk laid on top of me and began to dry hump me.

    The feeling of him on top of me send shock wave through out my body and it felt weird but excited all at the same time. I still remember it like it was yesterday and I will never forget what he said

    "You like that huh? yeah baby mmmm oh yeah" all awhile he was dry humping me and than he stopped and laughed and said "are you pregnant?" and laugh some more and went back to his seat.

    I didn't know what to say I was in shock and was beginning to fell for him actually I don't even know how I felt I was only 9 years old but I began to have feelings for him and others as I went through my years in grade school.
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    Sep 15, 2014 10:52 PM GMT
    And NO I am not here to convert. I just feel my Truth needs to be told.
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    Sep 15, 2014 10:54 PM GMT
    andy1846 saidWhen I was in the 4th grade, I knew I was different. I remember when I was hiding from my classmates after coming back from recess I hid behind the desk and this boy (Michael) saw me and jumped over the desk laid on top of me and began to dry hump me.

    The feeling of him on top of me send shock wave through out my body and it felt weird but excited all at the same time. I still remember it like it was yesterday and I will never forget what he said

    "You like that huh? yeah baby mmmm oh yeah" all awhile he was dry humping me and than he stopped and laughed and said "are you pregnant?" and laugh some more and went back to his seat.

    I didn't know what to say I was in shock and was beginning to fell for him actually I don't even know how I felt I was only 9 years old but I began to have feelings for him and others as I went through my years in grade school.


    Nothing AT ALL WRONG with that. But you are a product of your environment and so am I.
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    Sep 15, 2014 10:58 PM GMT
    You said you were attracted to both sexes but you were not born bisexual icon_confused.gif

    Confused with that.

    I read an article online that basically said it's to do with the oedipus (however you spell it) complex. I'll try and link to it.

    I'm still undecided if children are born into sexual orientations or not so I'm interested in all theories tbh.
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    Sep 15, 2014 11:00 PM GMT
    dannyboyUK saidYou said you were attracted to both sexes but you were not born bisexual icon_confused.gif

    Confused with that.

    I read an article online that basically said it's to do with the oedipus (however you spell it) complex. I'll try and link to it.

    I'm still undecided if children are born into sexual orientations or not so I'm interested in all theories tbh.


    I am skeptical of science right now on either end because there are too many agenda's. All I can do express the Truth that I know about my own journey. Peace brother.
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    Sep 15, 2014 11:05 PM GMT
    Homosexuality and Male Dominance

    In the last chapter I argued that self-identified homosexuals differed from heterosexuals more in their attitudes toward their fathers than toward their mothers. If one interprets the Oedipus complex as the point at which the child first recognizes male dominance, then it would be possible to interpret homosexuality as a response that is related to male dominance. Sometimes this response may have misogynist outcomes but, following Freud's logic, it is also possible to associate it with resistance to male dominance. This association is especially true for lesbians, who are often quite conscious of their opposition to male dominance, but possibly also with regard to gay males.
    Gay Males

    Irving Bieber has an analysis concerning male homosexuality that is offensive and heterosexist on the face of it but that nevertheless fits with an interpretation of Freud as accurately describing unconscious psychic development in a male-dominant society. According to Bieber, all males would be heterosexual (presumably because of their first love for the mother) if they were not blocked from it. Male homosexuals, says Bieber, have rejected heterosexuality out of fear not of women but of men. Bieber's basic idea is that homosexuals unconsciously fear that they will be in some way punished for heterosexuality by aggressive males who are women's keepers. A boy might be blocked from heterosexuality then if this unconscious fear of dominant males who "own" women is not mitigated.[31]
    This idea can also be found in some of Freud's observations. Freud describes male twins who were both apparently heterosexual until one twin "retired" in his brothers favor and gave up women as sexual partners. He did not like the idea of trespassing on his brother's territory. Freud also discusses treating a young male artist who found himself fleeing from both women and work simultaneously. Freud says, "The analysis which was able to bring
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    him back to both, showed that the fear of the father was the most powerful psychic motive for both the disturbances, which were really renunciations. In his imagination all women belonged to the father, and he sought refuge in men out of submission, so as to 'retire from' the conflict in favor of the father" (italics added).[32] Certainly this reaction is understandable and could be interpreted as a protest, whether conscious or not, against male dominance seen ultimately as men's control over female sexuality. The choice then of males as sexual partners is simply what one must do if one is to have a sexual outlet at all, and other homosexual males seem safer than females, all of whom are seen as being owned by males.


    Homosexuality in males could also be interpreted as seeking the loving protecting father one felt one never had. Bieber argues that gay males do like and love women, noting that they often choose female analysts, which suggests underlying heterosexuality, and that they genuinely grieve at the death of their mother but react in ways suggesting underlying hostility at the death of their father. Bieber's analysis implies that if heterosexuality continues to be considered a desirable societal goal, then it can most readily be fostered in males not by males who embody the system of male dominance but by males who are warmly supportive of their sons and who have a minimum of unconscious hostility toward them and who thus mitigate the image of the powerful, threatening, women-possessing male.
    The idea that it is men not women who are feared can be interpreted as blaming the system of male dominance in heterosexual relationships itself (not mothers or even fathers) for creating the homosexual protest. This protest against male dominance does not mean that gay males' own fathers were necessarily themselves unusually dominant. Although some male homosexuals had fathers who were violent and terrifying, many others perceived their fathers to be weak, disinterested in them, and vaguely hostile.[33] In the first case the father directly represents theatening males to the boy; in the second instance, the father is no support to the boy in dealing with the threatening aspects of the male peer group.


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    http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/view?docId=ft0k40038c&chunk.id=d0e2871&toc.id=d0e2871&brand=ucpress

    I don't know if I necessarily believe any of this but it was an interesting read all the same.
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    Sep 15, 2014 11:10 PM GMT
    Jerred said
    dannyboyUK saidYou said you were attracted to both sexes but you were not born bisexual icon_confused.gif

    Confused with that.

    I read an article online that basically said it's to do with the oedipus (however you spell it) complex. I'll try and link to it.

    I'm still undecided if children are born into sexual orientations or not so I'm interested in all theories tbh.


    I am skeptical of science right now on either end because there are too many agenda's. All I can do express the Truth that I know about my own journey. Peace brother.


    But if you chose to be gay does that make you're into sadomasochism because you chose to be a part of a highly discriminated against minority group?

    Perhaps you honestly did choose it but then you should perhaps look at what lead you to choose that life.

    I'm not saying I disbelieve you btw I'm just curious.
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    Sep 15, 2014 11:10 PM GMT
    lol Staurt you have an apprentice now. icon_lol.gif
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    Sep 15, 2014 11:12 PM GMT
    Frueds article is UNBELIEVABLE... THAT TRULY is like a slice of pizza being put back into it's place for me. Thanks Dannyboy.
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    Sep 15, 2014 11:16 PM GMT
    kevex saidlol Staurt you have an apprentice now. icon_lol.gif


    Yada Yada Yada... Get a new hobby icon_smile.gif
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    Sep 15, 2014 11:18 PM GMT
    Dannyboy, I don't think sadomasochism has anything to do with this right now. I do believe what your article by Frued suggests entirely though. Can't go into details yet because I have to examine how to reveal them first.
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    Sep 15, 2014 11:23 PM GMT
    Nothing AT ALL WRONG with that. But you are a product of your environment and so am I.

    No jerred its not the environment, you might think its the environment to you but not to me. Its how the person feels inside nothing to do with the environment.

    I was gay because I had feelings for the same sex gender. Again nothing to do with the environment and also for a person who might not understand about what this feeling that they feel starts at an early stage in their life.

    Mine started when I was in the 4th grade others starts out even earlier then me 5 years old acting out their feminine side and just not know that their doing so but their parents surely do see it. Until the child fully understands their feelings when they start to grasp what their going through. And its hard for a child to tell their parents that their gay fearing for their life that they might disown them, bullied and so on.

    And another think I did have sex with a girl when I was 12 years old but the feeling its just not there for me the way I have with guys, I had to pretend that I enjoyed it. Didn't want her to know that I was gay.

    I did watch a talk show once about this guy was born a male but he had a genital the size of a pimple and the doctors had to perform sex change operation. All this time he was dressing up as a girl but inside he knew he was a male but there was not turning back now. He does have a girlfriend cause she was there with him. And he was so distraught that he had to go through life being a girl. Would you say thats a product of environment?
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    Sep 15, 2014 11:32 PM GMT
    Andy, I know about the Science being described but to eliminate environmental factors in your case is illigit. Your feelings themselves are provoked by your environment.

    I applaud you for this case you just described though.This case you just described is FAR better than the bullshit Science out there right now in which they are revealing nothing but contradicting information. I know there are REAL physical discrepancies. But even still those are affected by environment especially in his case because it affected him physically. Hell, he even stayed with his girlfriend. ENVIRONMENT has everything to do with it as well as the decisions we make.
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    Sep 15, 2014 11:36 PM GMT
    "OK Jerred, I baked some chocolate chip cookies, here have some" (offering peace)
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    Sep 15, 2014 11:38 PM GMT
    andy1846 said"OK Jerred, I baked some chocolate chip cookies, here have some" (offering peace)


    LOL, thanks bud. I am going to try to get myself to eat a few hamburger patties tonight. I suffer from insomnia, lack of interest in food and water. My cravings right now are very limited. But when I pick up my first cookie again I will think of you.
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    Sep 15, 2014 11:39 PM GMT
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    Life2Short saiddude...that just means you're bi/male-pref. Also you keep repeating it to yourself like that and anyone with an ounce of psychoanalytic ability is going to see you as still grappling with your sexuality.


    Hmmm, okay. But I was not born with an interest in either or. It was a journey based on my environment and my decisions.


    There's two options here: you're either a troll or you're in denial. You cannot "choose" to feel sexual arousal for another man. Its not something that can be learned or taught, its an innate wiring to your brain. You most likely were born with BOTH interests (bi) and due to early childhood environment, subconsciously suppressed the male attraction until rejected by a female. Its not unusual and if you want to have ANYBODY on this site other than the conservaposse talk to you in the future, i'd suggest you delete this thread as quickly as possible and think about what i've said.

    Being gay/bi/straight is NOT a choice. Science has confirmed this and psychologists have essentially confirmed that people who THINK they chose it did, in fact, conform to the above-mentioned scenario of self-discovery.


    You're wasting your breath. You can't expect this guy to accept anything scientific. He functions strictly from emotional reasoning and delusion.
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    Sep 15, 2014 11:43 PM GMT


    OH GOD, give me a break Scruffy, I am very much into Science but I am also aware how Science is affected by politics. I don't go on feelings, I go on mental reasoning as well. All Science is being shot down in this area by the two parties that are fighting against eachother. Wake up. My Science is actually Astronomy and I KNOW what to look for. Don't drag my name through the mud by suggesting I have no respect for Science.