Scottish independence referendum

  • metta

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    Sep 16, 2014 1:27 AM GMT
    Scottish independence referendum



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    Sep 16, 2014 1:00 PM GMT
    If Scotland wants to be independent, that is their choice but I don't think their independence will be inexpensive or easy. My understanding of European history and geography is spotty at best but I think Europe could just break apart into much smaller countries. Looks like Middle Ages all over again.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Sep 16, 2014 2:09 PM GMT
    poet1000 saidIf Scotland wants to be independent, that is their choice but I don't think their independence will be inexpensive or easy. My understanding of European history and geography is spotty at best but I think Europe could just break apart into much smaller countries. Looks like Middle Ages all over again.
    I have no opinion on whether Scotland should secede from the UK or stay. However, I hope that the Scots are carefully examining both pros and cons of independence before voting. I wish the people of Scotland very well.
    As for Europe eventually breaking apart into smaller nation-states, I see that eventually happening to the US as well due to the increased polarization and distrust amongst Americans from different regions of the country. We might even end up with fifty independent nation-states, you just never know. Other large countries like Russia, China, India, Australia, Canada, Brazil could all be facing a similar scenario down the road due to fierce regional differences and deep distrust towards a powerful central government.
  • tj85016

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    Sep 16, 2014 4:06 PM GMT
    well at least India had the balls to get rid of the fucking English lol
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    Sep 16, 2014 4:09 PM GMT
    Now the Union Jack will have to change.

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    Sep 16, 2014 5:45 PM GMT
    England and Scotland will share a deficit if they split and idk if that will work. A new country starting out bankrupt??icon_confused.gif
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    Sep 16, 2014 6:44 PM GMT
    They are banking on retaining the pound, which would mean that their monetary policy was effectively controlled by another state. To do that they would also want the Bank of England to act as their national bank.

    BUT

    They also want to remain in the EU which has stated that they would have to re-apply for membership as a new state. Whoops all new members of the EU have to adopt the Euro.

  • Suetonius

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    Sep 16, 2014 7:41 PM GMT
    Anything is possible. It would be interesting if any of the Scots' independence movement proposed finding a living descendant/relative of the Stewart family, to replace Liz on the Scottish throne.
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    Sep 16, 2014 7:47 PM GMT
    As a social experiment I'd love to see it happen. Would there be such a surge of positive feeling that the economy improved?
    Or would panic set in during the first awkward adjustments to independence?
  • Destinharbor

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    Sep 16, 2014 8:23 PM GMT
    Very sad if it happens. England did not conquer Scotland. The states merged. In fact it was the Scottish King inheriting the throne of Elizabeth I upon her death that coined the term United Kingdom. Unified they have been an amazing force for good in the world. Separate, they are both weaker and smaller. This is nothing but tribalism. And that is a bad thing.
  • ASHDOD

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    Sep 16, 2014 8:24 PM GMT
    that would be stupid if they split,they should think with their brain and not their dick.
  • jaroslav123

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    Sep 16, 2014 9:31 PM GMT
    They're not even going to being properly independent if they vote 'yes'. Alex Salmond isn't even trying to make Scotland truly Independent.

    (1) They still want the BBC
    (2) Still want the monarchy
    (3) Still want the pound sterling
    (4) And for some reason, they complain about laws made in a foreign land to theirs (England), yet still wish to be part of the orgasm of bureaucracy that is the European Union.


    (By "they", I don't mean Scots, I mean the SNP and Salmond)

  • metta

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    Sep 16, 2014 10:08 PM GMT
    Poll: Majority of Scottish LGBTs Back Secession

    Read more at http://www.bilerico.com/2014/09/poll_majority_of_scottish_lgbts_back_secession.php
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    Sep 17, 2014 1:26 AM GMT
    Suetonius saidAnything is possible. It would be interesting if any of the Scots' independence movement proposed finding a living descendant/relative of the Stewart family, to replace Liz on the Scottish throne.


    Spend five minutes on Google and you'll learn there aren't any.
  • waccamatt

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    Sep 17, 2014 2:21 AM GMT
    metta8 saidPoll: Majority of Scottish LGBTs Back Secession

    Read more at http://www.bilerico.com/2014/09/poll_majority_of_scottish_lgbts_back_secession.php


    I don't really put much stock in online polls.
  • Trontastic

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    Sep 17, 2014 4:00 AM GMT
    If it happens, it happens.

    The only way I'd care is adjusting to a new map. My cartographic OCD cannot handle change!
  • Apparition

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    Sep 17, 2014 4:09 AM GMT
    Wyndahoi said
    Suetonius saidAnything is possible. It would be interesting if any of the Scots' independence movement proposed finding a living descendant/relative of the Stewart family, to replace Liz on the Scottish throne.


    Spend five minutes on Google and you'll learn there aren't any.


    isnt the british throne scotish anyway? james I or something.
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    Sep 17, 2014 6:13 AM GMT
    Ashdod saidthat would be stupid if they split,they should think with their brain and not their dick.


    Your comments denote a sense of ignorance and lack of understanding - it would be the same if I had said that Palestinians ruling over the state of Israel. Take some sensitivity lessons mate. Some people feel strong about their culture and traditions.
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    Sep 17, 2014 7:28 AM GMT
    Suetonius saidAnything is possible. It would be interesting if any of the Scots' independence movement proposed finding a living descendant/relative of the Stewart family, to replace Liz on the Scottish throne.


    They wouldn't need to 'find' a living descendant of the Stuarts. The current heir-general of King Charles I (i.e. the person recognized by Jacobites as the Stuart heir) is the Duke of Bavaria and he is not interested in being king of scots, which is just as well, as there is no vacancy.

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  • Suetonius

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    Sep 17, 2014 7:35 AM GMT
    Wyndahoi said
    Suetonius saidAnything is possible. It would be interesting if any of the Scots' independence movement proposed finding a living descendant/relative of the Stewart family, to replace Liz on the Scottish throne.


    Spend five minutes on Google and you'll learn there aren't any.

    There were a number of illegitimate children - they have no descendants?
  • Suetonius

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    Sep 17, 2014 7:49 AM GMT
    Apparition said
    Wyndahoi said
    Suetonius saidAnything is possible. It would be interesting if any of the Scots' independence movement proposed finding a living descendant/relative of the Stewart family, to replace Liz on the Scottish throne.


    Spend five minutes on Google and you'll learn there aren't any.


    isnt the british throne scotish anyway? james I or something.

    Not being either an English or Scottish royalist, I'm not an expert on their genealogy. The current line descends from George, the Elector of Hanover (George I of England), who I believe had some relation to the Stewarts, but was elected because he was a Protestant. Except for the requirement that the king be a Protestant, at the time there was a closer relation who was a catholic, who, if there were descendants, would have a closer relation to the Scottish Stewarts.
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    Sep 17, 2014 10:49 AM GMT
    Eager to see the final outcome. I wish it gets separated from UK.
  • 5100s

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    Sep 17, 2014 3:20 PM GMT
    Suetonius said
    Apparition said
    Wyndahoi said
    Suetonius saidAnything is possible. It would be interesting if any of the Scots' independence movement proposed finding a living descendant/relative of the Stewart family, to replace Liz on the Scottish throne.


    Spend five minutes on Google and you'll learn there aren't any.


    isnt the british throne scotish anyway? james I or something.

    Not being either an English or Scottish royalist, I'm not an expert on their genealogy. The current line descends from George, the Elector of Hanover (George I of England), who I believe had some relation to the Stewarts, but was elected because he was a Protestant. Except for the requirement that the king be a Protestant, at the time there was a closer relation who was a catholic, who, if there were descendants, would have a closer relation to the Scottish Stewarts.


    George I was indeed descended from the Stewarts: his mother was the granddaughter of James I of England, who was the son of Mary Queen of Scots, herself a descendant of Henry VII of England.

    However, there were a number of closer claimants to the throne when parliament selected George ! upon the death of Queen Anne and it did choose him because he was a protestant.

    The long and the short of it is that Elizabeth II is a direct descendant of George I so she is indeed descended from the Stewarts and the Tudors.

    Not that any of this makes any difference in the grand scheme of things, but there is the fun of knowing it.
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    Sep 18, 2014 2:28 PM GMT
    I hope they stay united. Progress does not always follow change.
  • carew28

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    Sep 18, 2014 8:39 PM GMT
    Actually, there are many present-day male-line royal Stuart descendants. The original Scottish spelling of the name was Stewart, but Mary, Queen of Scots, changed the spelling to Stuart.

    Descended from the old Scottish Stewart kings:

    Marquis of Bute
    Earl of Moray
    Earl of Castle Stewart
    Laird of Ardvorlich

    Illegitimate descendants of King Charles II:

    Duke of Richmond
    Duke of St. Albans
    Duke of Grafton
    Duke of Buccleuch

    Illegitimate descendant of King James II:

    Jacobite Duke of Berwick

    When the German Hanoverian King George I (female-line descendant of King James I) ascended the throne, there were actually over 50 female-line descendants who were more closely related to deceased Queen Anne than he, but they were disqualified due to their religion (Catholic). There were also some more closely related Protestants as well, but they too were disqualified, due to being illegitimate.

    The Jacobite heir (the Duke of Bavaria) is a bachelor who plays for our team.