Go, Scotland the Brave!

  • WrestlerBoy

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    Sep 17, 2014 1:43 AM GMT
    I'm about as American as they come. But I did go to boarding school in England for five years; and I did attend university there for two years after college in the U.S.

    So, the Scottish Yes/No vote for Independence on Thursday is of "some" interest to me. I am sure this will cause some argument with our English brothers, as my over simplification of the matter is, admittedly, just that. But because it's an oversimplification, I don't think it's far from the truth.

    Whatever Washington is, with all its faults, it is "run" by Americans; whatever Paris is, it, too, is "run" by Frenchmen; same for Berlin and Germans, or Madrid and Spaniards.

    London? Nothing but a cheap, whore-mongering pimp, which for years has farmed itself out to every corrupt international "banker" and "consortium" of anything but British business or government. It long ago gave up its right to be a "capital city" of Britain, in any sense. While the rest of the "United" Kingdom struggles to make rent, buy food, pay for its kids' educations, the repulsive "Eton/Oxford" moneyed crowd (starting with the "Queen's" putrid son, "Prince Andrew", another pimp to Gulf State interests and his personal purse) that has concentrated 80% of the country's wealth in the "City of London", deserve nothing better than to be hung, drawn, and quartered.

    So, on Thursday, we can only hope that Scotland will tell this bunch of buggered rent boys in Westminster, masquerading as its government, where to go: Do what's right Scotland. And vote for Independence!

    Your Revolutionary American sisters and brothers are with you!!!



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    Sep 17, 2014 1:50 AM GMT
    Scots, my fellow brothers, sisters and cousins,

    In 1986, Australia cut all formal legal ties with the UK by virtue of the Australia Act 1986. Since then, we have enjoyed our own destiny, sense of self free of the Brits, and unprecedented economic growth and wealth over the last twenty years.

    Better Together ? I think not !


    You know what to do !!
  • jaroslav123

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    Sep 17, 2014 4:09 PM GMT
    They should be independent, but if they want to be independent, they've got to do it properly.

    They're still keeping pound sterling.
    Still wanting the monarchy.
    Still wanting the BBC.
    And even though they talk about wanting to control their own laws, they wish to be part of the European Union.



    (By "they" I don't mean Scots as a whole but the SNP and Alec Salmond).
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    Sep 17, 2014 4:14 PM GMT
    Washington run by Americans?
    LOL tell that to AIPAC you sheep.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY2xzO4BmS8

    And Scotland will just trade Westminster for Brussels.
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    Sep 17, 2014 4:53 PM GMT
    kangourou said
    In 1986, Australia cut all formal legal ties with the UK by virtue of the Australia Act 1986. Since then, we have enjoyed our own destiny, sense of self free of the Brits, and unprecedented economic growth and wealth over the last twenty years.


    Sort of, but isn't The Queen of England (and Scotland) also The Queen of Australia? (As endorsed by 55% of Australians in a national referendum.)

    It is only right that Australia chose to go its own way in terms of legislative power, though this effectively happened in 1942 (in which year Australia adopted the Statute of Westminster 1931).

    As for the Scots, it is their choice. My only worry is the financial cost surrounding independence, which, as jaroslav123 correctly points out, would not be real independence at all.

    As it happens, I think common sense will prevail and I predict a 55% 'no' vote.
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    Sep 17, 2014 9:08 PM GMT
    kangourou saidScots, my fellow brothers, sisters and cousins,

    In 1986, Australia cut all formal legal ties with the UK by virtue of the Australia Act 1986. Since then, we have enjoyed our own destiny, sense of self free of the Brits, and unprecedented economic growth and wealth over the last twenty years.

    Better Together ? I think not !


    Not only Australia, but also Canada cut ties to England. The Irish, after 700 years of repression by the English, got independence after a number of bloody revolutions. The South Africans although having lost a long bloody war when the English conquered them, eventually shed their ties to England. All these countries have done quite well on their own. If Scotland separates, after a period of adjustment and after whatever deals are eventually made with England and the EU, it will also survive quite well on its own. There is today lots of trade between Ireland and England, despite England having tried its damndest to keep Ireland under its control.
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    Sep 17, 2014 9:20 PM GMT
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_Nations
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    Sep 17, 2014 9:47 PM GMT
    HikerSkier said
    Not only Australia, but also Canada cut ties to England. The Irish, after 700 years of repression by the English, got independence after a number of bloody revolutions. The South Africans although having lost a long bloody war when the English conquered them, eventually shed their ties to England. All these countries have done quite well on their own. If Scotland separates, after a period of adjustment and after whatever deals are eventually made with England and the EU, it will also survive quite well on its own. There is today lots of trade between Ireland and England, despite England having tried its damndest to keep Ireland under its control.


    All historically interesting, but completely irrelevant to the Scottish referendum.

    If, however, you want to talk about historical repression and bloody wars, how about the Native American genocide?
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Sep 17, 2014 10:14 PM GMT
    AaronH20P saidWashington run by Americans?
    LOL tell that to AIPAC you sheep.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY2xzO4BmS8

    And Scotland will just trade Westminster for Brussels.


    I'm no lamb-lover (baaaaaa), and my views against the policies of the State of Israel are all over these threads. But I wouldn't have counted on an "Aaron" as such an open anti-semite. That is to say, the vast majority of AIPAC's 100,000 members... ARE Americans, right?

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    Sep 18, 2014 2:13 AM GMT
    As a Canadian of Scottish descent I honestly don't care too much one way or the other. It will just be another country in the Commonwealth and I doubt the world will end any sooner if Scotland succeeds. I personally suspect it would prove to be an economic disaster in the long run but that might actually dampen enthusiasm in Quebec for independence, I guess, would affect me more.

    Britain will be fine either way so folks there should "Keep calm and carry on".

    ;-)
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    Sep 18, 2014 2:21 AM GMT
    I hope Scotland becomes independent. Imperialism is over icon_cool.gif
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    Sep 18, 2014 2:24 AM GMT
    If Scotland succeeds in seceding some say a succession of similar secessions are sure to ensue.
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    Sep 18, 2014 5:41 AM GMT
    I must admit my ignorance about this apparently historical thing between England and Scotland. Never really researched it. But I did see the Mel Gibson movie. Any people, like the early colonists of America, who seek their independence from an oppressive task master, I like them. But I'm speaking from a position of ignorance, remember, haha. The only thing I know is that my first boyfriend was of Irish descent and he was awesome as a person. Is Scottish and Irish the same thing? I need to learn more about this I think.
  • Aodhan

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    Sep 18, 2014 11:17 AM GMT
    declansloan saidI must admit my ignorance about this apparently historical thing between England and Scotland. Never really researched it. But I did see the Mel Gibson movie. Any people, like the early colonists of America, who seek their independence from an oppressive task master, I like them. But I'm speaking from a position of ignorance, remember, haha. The only thing I know is that my first boyfriend was of Irish descent and he was awesome as a person. Is Scottish and Irish the same thing? I need to learn more about this I think.


    That is pretty ignorant. How could you think Ireland and Scotland where the same thing? Your username is a pretty Gaelic name.
  • Aodhan

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    Sep 18, 2014 11:21 AM GMT
    The only reason I would say no to Scottish Independence is that everything will become super expensive now. Like in the Republic of Ireland, taxes can be mad over there.

    Otherwise I'm a nationalist at heart and our histories are pretty much the same so go Independence. Maybe afterwards we'll break away from the UK.
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    Sep 18, 2014 11:23 AM GMT
    I honestly don't know anything about their history but I do know that I love their accents!!
    I wish I had it lol
  • ASHDOD

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    Sep 18, 2014 11:30 AM GMT
    WrestlerBoy said
    AaronH20P saidWashington run by Americans?
    LOL tell that to AIPAC you sheep.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY2xzO4BmS8

    And Scotland will just trade Westminster for Brussels.


    I'm no lamb-lover (baaaaaa), and my views against the policies of the State of Israel are all over these threads. But I wouldn't have counted on an "Aaron" as such an open anti-semite. That is to say, the vast majority of AIPAC's 100,000 members... ARE Americans, right?




    Why is israel dragged to any subject on earth! it was a thread about SCOTLAD!

    And btw , scotland outside of britain wont be more then a failing slovakia...
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    Sep 18, 2014 11:56 AM GMT
    kangourou saidScots, my fellow brothers, sisters and cousins,

    In 1986, Australia cut all formal legal ties with the UK by virtue of the Australia Act 1986. Since then, we have enjoyed our own destiny, sense of self free of the Brits, and unprecedented economic growth and wealth over the last twenty years.

    Better Together ? I think not !


    You know what to do !!



    In 1999 we also said no to a Politicians Republic, and gave our vote to our Head of State HM Queen Elizabeth II.icon_razz.gif
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    Sep 18, 2014 12:03 PM GMT
    Aodhan saidThe only reason I would say no to Scottish Independence is that everything will become super expensive now. Like in the Republic of Ireland, taxes can be mad over there.

    Otherwise I'm a nationalist at heart and our histories are pretty much the same so go Independence. Maybe afterwards we'll break away from the UK.


    If Scotland votes yes, then it would seem that they where able to do it in a way Ireland never could; Ireland needs to cut it's ties with Vatican City first.

    But progress does not always follow change either.
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    Sep 18, 2014 12:35 PM GMT
    What about Northern Ireland and Wales? Are those people soon going to ask for Independence too? I hope so.
    Yeah, Go Scots!
  • Aodhan

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    Sep 18, 2014 2:49 PM GMT
    morphic saidWhat about Northern Ireland and Wales? Are those people soon going to ask for Independence too? I hope so.
    Yeah, Go Scots!


    It wouldn't work here in Northern Ireland. Half want to stay part of the union and the other half want to be part of Ireland. There'll not be an independent Northern Ireland haha
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    Sep 18, 2014 3:22 PM GMT
    Aunty_Jack said
    kangourou saidScots, my fellow brothers, sisters and cousins,

    In 1986, Australia cut all formal legal ties with the UK by virtue of the Australia Act 1986. Since then, we have enjoyed our own destiny, sense of self free of the Brits, and unprecedented economic growth and wealth over the last twenty years.

    Better Together ? I think not !


    You know what to do !!



    In 1999 we also said no to a Politicians Republic, and gave our vote to our Head of State HM Queen Elizabeth II.icon_razz.gif


    Oh, her ?? You know she's just a ceremonial figurehead, right ? icon_smile.gif The de facto Head of State is the Governor-General, and that works pretty well instead of having a celebrity president running around the place.

    The Queen, really, is reduced to waving and collecting flowers icon_smile.gif
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    Sep 18, 2014 4:58 PM GMT
    kevex saidI hope Scotland becomes independent. Imperialism is over icon_cool.gif


    Of course imperialism is over, but again, that has no relevance to today's Scottish referendum.

    The British Empire was never wholly English or even predominantly so. Scotland had its own colonial enterprises before the Act of Union (1707), and afterwards arguably contributed more to their joint imperial project than its southern neighbour. Of course you don’t find the Scots celebrating this much now, as imperialism is no longer generally considered to have been a good thing and the idea that they were colonial victims seems a better card to play for a people (or some of them) striving for national independence.
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Sep 18, 2014 7:42 PM GMT
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    HikerSkier said
    Not only Australia, but also Canada cut ties to England. The Irish, after 700 years of repression by the English, got independence after a number of bloody revolutions. The South Africans although having lost a long bloody war when the English conquered them, eventually shed their ties to England. All these countries have done quite well on their own. If Scotland separates, after a period of adjustment and after whatever deals are eventually made with England and the EU, it will also survive quite well on its own. There is today lots of trade between Ireland and England, despite England having tried its damndest to keep Ireland under its control.


    All historically interesting, but completely irrelevant to the Scottish referendum.

    If, however, you want to talk about historical repression and bloody wars, how about the Native American genocide?


    If, however, you want to talk about historical repression and bloody wars... "Of the current 193 member states of the United Nations, Britain has INVADED or FOUGHT conflicts in.... 171." (Amazing, or what?). In other words, there are only 22 countries where they didn't put their oh-so-very "democratic" boots.

    I will agree, however, that they did it all ver, ver peacefully... not a shot fired. Unless you mean in Ireland, or Scotland, or Palestine, or Iran, or Iraq, or half of Africa, or India, or Malaysia, or China, or Cuba, or.. well, you get the idea.

    Who does this crowd of hypocrites think they're still "lecturing"....about....anything to do with democracy?

    (Source: "All the Countries We've Invaded - And the few We Never Got Around To", Stuart Laycock. The History Press, 2012. 256pp.)
  • Lincsbear

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    Sep 18, 2014 8:31 PM GMT
    I don`t see any problem with an independent Scotland retaining the monarchy, though persoanlly I think they should have gone for the logical answer of democracy like the US: an elected head of state or president.

    The current lot claim the crown from George I, himself descended of Elizabeth Stuart, eldest daughter of James VI of Scotland.

    Oh, and the present queen`s mother? Scottish!