Would Phoenix be a good move from Denver?

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    Sep 17, 2014 2:14 AM GMT
    ...Because I'm trying to get the hell up out of this whack town. I've been considering Phoenix for as long as before I moved here going on 4 years ago. I just want to be sure it's going to be the right change.

    The pluses with Phoenix seems to be the rent rates, a bigger slightly more diverse gay scene (Charlies Denver is a dump, whereas Charlies Phoenix seems more vibrant), and more people who come into the area during the high season (Denver doesn't really have a high season, it's always the same people day in/day out). Anyone who comes here during 'winter high season' is just coming to go to the mountains, ski, and go home in less than a week. Half of the time you never see them come thru.

    The downsides with Denver just seem to run the gamut. True, it's not a crime infested, economically depressed city like many in the midwest/northeast..but it just sucks. There's no diversity, dating scene sucks, it's always the same people, there's really no money here outside of kush (I meet guys here in the gay scene, most are just broke, barely getting by..or they are snobby and keep exclusively White company because they got a little bit of money and drive German). Above all, apartment rent has soared, and I've been stuck in a boring lily White suburb for 3 years (Not that I have qualms about living in a suburb or around Whites, it's just the ones out here are sheltered and close minded).

    The whole marijuana legalization is way overrated. People come here for that purpose, but it's driving up the cost of everything else. Car rental rates are ridiculous...$600 is the USUAL cost to rent a car for a week in this town. I've seen rates as low as $125-150/week in cities like DC, Phoenix and even San Fran. I'm trying to RENT a car, not fucking lease one. Not to mention, there's been a surge of guys both known and unknown, popping up trying to be 'escorts', but there's really not many clients in this town who paying for any sex to begin with. So I really don't know why so many are trying to get into a market that is quickly becoming non-existent in this town.

    So...I am trying my best to move out by October 1st, somewhere quick. I just want to be sure Phoenix isn't going to have a similar Mountainy Denver culture: Where if you aren't White, Asian or Hispanic...people make you feel like you're just SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO different. And you just HAVE to say you're into the outdoors, even though you're just a bar fly.

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    Sep 17, 2014 4:14 AM GMT
    Why Phoenix? Nothing but retirees there. Also seems to be a magnet for people that hit some rough spots in their life and are trying to start over. Kinda like Vegas, minus the casinos and nightlife. And freakin hot as fuck. You're gonna spend 99% of your time indoors.
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    Sep 17, 2014 6:19 AM GMT
    xrichx saidWhy Phoenix? Nothing but retirees there. Also seems to be a magnet for people that hit some rough spots in their life and are trying to start over. Kinda like Vegas, minus the casinos and nightlife. And freakin hot as fuck. You're gonna spend 99% of your time indoors.


    a little off there Mr.

    I have a long list why I have stayed and NOT taken jobs or moved my business.

    Tell ya when I wake up
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    Sep 17, 2014 7:56 AM GMT
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    xrichx saidWhy Phoenix? Nothing but retirees there. Also seems to be a magnet for people that hit some rough spots in their life and are trying to start over. Kinda like Vegas, minus the casinos and nightlife. And freakin hot as fuck. You're gonna spend 99% of your time indoors.


    a little off there Mr.

    I have a long list why I have stayed and NOT taken jobs or moved my business.

    Tell ya when I wake up

    Yes. But OP is an escort. I don't think there's much of demand out there for his profession. Except for the ones that hang out at truck stops.
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    Sep 17, 2014 9:23 AM GMT
    Phoenix summer is SUPER warm, 100F days are the norm. Thats why you see the population come out in the winter.

    -The population is older there.
    -Phoenix and Tucson, like Denver and the Springs are an island in an otherwise rural conservative state.
    -I never thought Arizona was big on accepting. Seems the state has had racial issues too.


    what do yo think; Seattle or Portland as a better choice

    interesting; why hang out at Denver's Charlies?

    best of luck where ever you land
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    Sep 17, 2014 7:23 PM GMT
    Omg for your sake...get used to the heat!! Other than that. This city is quite beautiful and people are nice.
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    Sep 17, 2014 7:27 PM GMT
    If having sex with strangers is what the OP does for a living, I would think he would want to be in a place where there are a lot of men who might potentially hire him - a big city like LA, NYC, or Chicago, or a resort town where rich older gay guys go, like Palm Springs or Miami. I also don't think that Phoenix is especially open-minded toward african-americans - I have never noticed a lot of them there, and despite the large numbers of hispanics, there is even prejudice against those who appear to be Mexican.
  • DarkWoods

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    Sep 18, 2014 2:56 AM GMT
    I'd never want to live in Arizona! I come from the south and grew up in sweltering heat, but Phoenix takes the cake and incinerates it with hellfire. Also, I'm hispanic, and like many on rj- gay, two strikes against me in Arizona eyes and laws. If any crime is committed against you, good luck in their courts because the jury will most likely be biased against you. Also, because of the heat and desert expansion, bugs, scorpions, snakes, venomous spiders, and all the like will find their way into your home- I bet that scorpion thinks your shoes are a nice cool spot to rest (found a scorpion on my bed before, 7 in two weeks after rains) watch your pets.

    Denver is on America's cutting edge, politically, culturally, etc. The Mj has been a great boon in Co, and there is a lot more money for the city to evolve. I can't wait for the new light rail systems from downtown to cherry creek river walk (coming soon) and to DIA. Over 300 days of sun each year that allows you to be active. Gay marriage coming very soon. Denver is sort of like the hippie ancient Athens. Also Denver is one of the fittest cities, so it's easy to be healthy and meet like minded people. Yeah the bars and clubs have their scene people who are everywhere, but I think all cities have those people, soon you'll recognize the scene people in AZ should you move there.
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    Sep 18, 2014 4:47 AM GMT
    I'm sure you will be miserable wherever you go. So I don't know, and don't care!!! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Sep 18, 2014 5:35 AM GMT
    I've lived in Scottsdale for 11 years now. When I first got here I had to get use to the heat. I had taken about 1 full season... or about a year... my body got use to the heat and I love the heat. Besides, I love being naked and usually always am at home. It's unfortunate that I have to get dressed to go to work, but I get naked again as soon as I get home.

    Where I live in Scottsdale makes me very homey and comfortable. I grew up in the central coast of California. My parent's home was less than a mile from the mountains that I always play in when I was a kid. Here in Scottsdale, I live at the foothills of a mountain that is less than a mile from me. Riding my mountain bike in those hills is a lot of fun!

    In my opinion, you will enjoy it here. There are a lot of gay bars, but also gay social groups that you can get into and meet other men. Lots of good gyms in Phoenix/Scottsdale too.

    Now a question for you... My plans are to move to Colorado Springs next February mainly due to my best friend/business partner being there. Tell me about Colorado Springs.
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    Sep 18, 2014 5:54 AM GMT
    This is another case of "the grass is always greener". I'm not trying to bust your chops, OP, but I've heard alot of positive things about Denver. And just like you, I've found alot of folks who can't move out of Phoenix quickly enough.

    At the end of the day, it's what you make of it is what you get out of it, wherever that may be. No harm in you moving here to the Phoenix area and trying it out yourself so you can gain your own experience. Remember, everyone's experiences and perceptions/perspectives are going to be different.
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    Sep 18, 2014 7:43 AM GMT
    Don't listen to the naysayers. Move to Phoenix and give it a try. You'll never know until you try it on for size.
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    Sep 18, 2014 8:50 AM GMT
    Xrich saaaaays
    "Yes. But OP is an escort. I don't think there's much of demand out there for his profession. Except for the ones that hang out at truck stops."

    I've still yet to see an escort at a truck stop..

    Just usually fat ugly people behind the counter calling people ho to feel better about their wretched existence :s

    I guess I've seen transient people at truck stops who might be inclined to sex for transport but, yiiiikes they are not escorts :S
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    Sep 18, 2014 8:52 AM GMT
    Lumpyoatmeal saidDon't listen to the naysayers. Move to Phoenix and give it a try. You'll never know until you try it on for size.


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    Sep 18, 2014 3:01 PM GMT
    ECnAZ saidThis is another case of "the grass is always greener". I'm not trying to bust your chops, OP, but I've heard alot of positive things about Denver. And just like you, I've found alot of folks who can't move out of Phoenix quickly enough.

    At the end of the day, it's what you make of it is what you get out of it, wherever that may be. No harm in you moving here to the Phoenix area and trying it out yourself so you can gain your own experience. Remember, everyone's experiences and perceptions/perspectives are going to be different.
    Seriously "alot" isn't a word - doesn't spell check put a squiggly red line under "alot" when you type it that way? Or did you add "alot" to your dictionary thinking spell check was wrong?
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    Sep 18, 2014 5:30 PM GMT
    Phoenix over Denver what the f---. Do you really know how hot and horrible Phoenix weather is. Dude you can't go outside a great part of the year or you melt. The rent is low because no one with any sense wants to live there. Someone above also pointed out it is a retirement location, for guys my age. It is all the people from cold weather states who have decided to melt instead of freeze.

    Many place to move to but wow not Phoenix haha
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    Sep 18, 2014 7:57 PM GMT
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    ECnAZ saidThis is another case of "the grass is always greener". I'm not trying to bust your chops, OP, but I've heard alot of positive things about Denver. And just like you, I've found alot of folks who can't move out of Phoenix quickly enough.

    At the end of the day, it's what you make of it is what you get out of it, wherever that may be. No harm in you moving here to the Phoenix area and trying it out yourself so you can gain your own experience. Remember, everyone's experiences and perceptions/perspectives are going to be different.
    Seriously "alot" isn't a word - doesn't spell check put a squiggly red line under "alot" when you type it that way? Or did you add "alot" to your dictionary thinking spell check was wrong?


    Hmm.. did your head just get stuck in your ass recently or is this a long-term issue for you?
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    Sep 18, 2014 9:21 PM GMT
    joxguy saidPhoenix over Denver what the f---. Do you really know how hot and horrible Phoenix weather is. Dude you can't go outside a great part of the year or you melt. The rent is low because no one with any sense wants to live there. Someone above also pointed out it is a retirement location, for guys my age. It is all the people from cold weather states who have decided to melt instead of freeze.

    Many place to move to but wow not Phoenix haha


    Well, you know...at this point in time, I have to find a place where I can move to quickly for my own personal sanity. It's about to be Fall soon right? So Phoenix shouldn't be too unbearable right? I think most of the hot days will be over by October.

    At this point, I have to weigh the benefits of the 2. Right now in Denver, NOTHING is going well for me. I feel like I'm stuck in a place in my life that there's no way to make it any better. I also know friends who are also starting to feel the impacts of Denver's higher prices, yet the money isn't catching up to the cost of living (rent-wise). My friend from Dallas told me he lost $300 per paycheck when he came to move back to Denver working the same job. Yet Dallas COL is cheaper. Yet, I hear all the time how landlords in Denver are raising rents 3-5 times PER YEAR.

    Another thing too is, people in Denver who actually have money, are stingy and selfish with it, and only want to spend it on themselves. They'll bitch about lil chump change, yet will go and spend $5,000 on a mountain bike. My friend told me his roommate has a bike that expensive, but yet he's over 30 and doesn't have a girlfriend. Hmmm, I wonder why. I bet the same type of person would make a big deal over a $40 meal at a restaurant, or cancel a personal training session over $50. That same attitude trickles down to the dating scene, and people who do freelance for a living. They don't respect business out here, and it's ALWAYS some complaint about money. Knowing they have the money, Knowing you're worth the money..but purposely don't want to give more. Perfect way to keep a city poor.
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    Sep 18, 2014 10:46 PM GMT
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    ECnAZ saidThis is another case of "the grass is always greener". I'm not trying to bust your chops, OP, but I've heard alot of positive things about Denver. And just like you, I've found alot of folks who can't move out of Phoenix quickly enough.

    At the end of the day, it's what you make of it is what you get out of it, wherever that may be. No harm in you moving here to the Phoenix area and trying it out yourself so you can gain your own experience. Remember, everyone's experiences and perceptions/perspectives are going to be different.
    Seriously "alot" isn't a word - doesn't spell check put a squiggly red line under "alot" when you type it that way? Or did you add "alot" to your dictionary thinking spell check was wrong?


    Hmm.. did your head just get stuck in your ass recently or is this a long-term issue for you?
    That "alot" isn't a word has forever been my number one grammar pet peeve, and even more so nowadays since just about every device or tool used to communicate electronically has spell check and/or auto correct built into it.
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    Sep 18, 2014 10:48 PM GMT
    For the sake of your insanity and your financial issue, you should go for it Fuzzy. If you've given this alot of thought and you did your research on Phoenix, yeah make that move.

    Make that move, (move) right now, baby
    You only go out once in a lifetime
    Make that move, (move) right now, baby

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    Sep 18, 2014 11:21 PM GMT
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    joxguy saidPhoenix over Denver what the f---. Do you really know how hot and horrible Phoenix weather is. Dude you can't go outside a great part of the year or you melt. The rent is low because no one with any sense wants to live there. Someone above also pointed out it is a retirement location, for guys my age. It is all the people from cold weather states who have decided to melt instead of freeze.

    Many place to move to but wow not Phoenix haha


    Well, you know...at this point in time, I have to find a place where I can move to quickly for my own personal sanity. It's about to be Fall soon right? So Phoenix shouldn't be too unbearable right? I think most of the hot days will be over by October.

    At this point, I have to weigh the benefits of the 2. Right now in Denver, NOTHING is going well for me. I feel like I'm stuck in a place in my life that there's no way to make it any better. I also know friends who are also starting to feel the impacts of Denver's higher prices, yet the money isn't catching up to the cost of living (rent-wise). My friend from Dallas told me he lost $300 per paycheck when he came to move back to Denver working the same job. Yet Dallas COL is cheaper. Yet, I hear all the time how landlords in Denver are raising rents 3-5 times PER YEAR.

    Another thing too is, people in Denver who actually have money, are stingy and selfish with it, and only want to spend it on themselves. They'll bitch about lil chump change, yet will go and spend $5,000 on a mountain bike. My friend told me his roommate has a bike that expensive, but yet he's over 30 and doesn't have a girlfriend. Hmmm, I wonder why. I bet the same type of person would make a big deal over a $40 meal at a restaurant, or cancel a personal training session over $50. That same attitude trickles down to the dating scene, and people who do freelance for a living. They don't respect business out here, and it's ALWAYS some complaint about money. Knowing they have the money, Knowing you're worth the money..but purposely don't want to give more. Perfect way to keep a city poor.


    After reading this - some of Denverado does look really post industrial squalor with lots of construction zones :S

    I guess I was just remembering leaving and driving by their Harley Davidson ... store? That area looks so nice......


    :S

    Ya skip Denverado - they also legalized marijuana and if you're facing price gouging due to that where you're leaving wouldn't be so surprising from what you wrote that is happening there too. :S
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    Sep 18, 2014 11:23 PM GMT
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    ECnAZ said
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    ECnAZ saidThis is another case of "the grass is always greener". I'm not trying to bust your chops, OP, but I've heard alot of positive things about Denver. And just like you, I've found alot of folks who can't move out of Phoenix quickly enough.

    At the end of the day, it's what you make of it is what you get out of it, wherever that may be. No harm in you moving here to the Phoenix area and trying it out yourself so you can gain your own experience. Remember, everyone's experiences and perceptions/perspectives are going to be different.
    Seriously "alot" isn't a word - doesn't spell check put a squiggly red line under "alot" when you type it that way? Or did you add "alot" to your dictionary thinking spell check was wrong?


    Hmm.. did your head just get stuck in your ass recently or is this a long-term issue for you?
    That "alot" isn't a word has forever been my number one grammar pet peeve, and even more so nowadays since just about every device or tool used to communicate electronically has spell check and/or auto correct built into it.


    I think the point of language is to be understood and understand not fit some aesthetic paradigm though, that often is the point.

    I'm fairly certain linguists would argue for understanding versus pet peeves. :S
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    Sep 19, 2014 5:59 AM GMT
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    ECnAZ saidThis is another case of "the grass is always greener". I'm not trying to bust your chops, OP, but I've heard alot of positive things about Denver. And just like you, I've found alot of folks who can't move out of Phoenix quickly enough.

    Seriously "alot" isn't a word - doesn't spell check put a squiggly red line under "alot" when you type it that way? Or did you add "alot" to your dictionary thinking spell check was wrong?

    Since when did RJ acquire a spellcheck program?
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    Sep 19, 2014 7:00 AM GMT
    Lumpyoatmeal saidDon't listen to the naysayers. Move to Phoenix and give it a try. You'll never know until you try it on for size.


    Yeah, try us out.

    We got super bowl!!!

    It's nice here.....
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    Sep 19, 2014 7:26 AM GMT
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    We got super bowl!!!It's nice here.....


    Well, next time I come get at me. I'm coming back at the end of the month. This time, I'm going to get serious about finding a place, and see what I come across. At this point, it's hard to focus on the negatives of Phoenix, when where I'm at now isn't doing me any justice.

    Speaking of Superbowl...I'm so over Denver, I can't even watch the Broncos games anymore. It's more like 'catching' the games. I've missed like 3 games already. When you don't care for a city or the people, you don't care for the team either.

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    Ya skip Denverado - they also legalized marijuana and if you're facing price gouging due to that where you're leaving wouldn't be so surprising from what you wrote that is happening there too. :S


    LOL, when you say Denverado it makes it sound that much more repulsive! I would never move to a city named Denverado, but I guess if you say it really fast...that's pretty much what it will sound like.

    And yes, there is DEFFO price gouging here because of that. There is, and will continually be more and more homeless people here because of it. Not because the effects of pot, but because it will create slumlords, and you'll have a situation worse than San Fran and Miami combined.

    The gay scene here is already full of broke, homeless bums as it is. All I know is, I just want to be long gone before 2015 hits.