Sep 19, 2014 6:55 AM GMT
Outrageous!
Preppy Catholic students along with its coach, hope they go to prison, fucking evil religion

http://nypost.com/2014/09/18/high-school-coach-tied-to-beating-of-gay-couple-resigns/
scruffLA said
Outrageous!
Preppy Catholic students along with its coach, hope they go to prison, fucking evil religion
Svnw688 said(1). The Philadelphia DA's office is no longer investigating this as a hate-crime. This is not discretionary. It NEVER should have been a Pennsylvania hate crime because Pennsylvania law does NOT cover sexual orientation (LGBT). Penn is the only state in the Northeast that does not protect LGBT persons with hate crime legislation. The law should change. But it was a mistake for the Philly DA's office to ever label this a hate crime. I suspect they knew the law, and labeled it as such to help smoke out the perps, garner media attention, and get the suspects identified. Now that they have the perps, they're applying the (unfortunate) law as written.
(2). Thankfully, the FEDERAL government, which Pennsylvania is subject to, covers hate crime against LGBT persons. The Matthew Shepard/James Byrd Junior Hate Crimes Prevnetion Act (HCPA) criminalizes as a hate crime attacks motivated BECAUSE OF a person's sexual orientation. Given the facts here, as currently known, this is a clear hate crime.
(3). To that end, apparently Philly councilman Jim Kinney on September 19, 2014 wrote a letter to the US Attorney's office requesting they partner with the Philly DA to investigate/bring a FEDERAL hate crime charge.
As a lawyer who more or less keeps his finger on the pulse of legal issues and politics, I would say there's a 99% change the USDA's office will launch an independent or shared investigation under the HCPA, and IF the facts as alleged prove true (the couple was initially stopped and asked if they were gay, and homophobic slurs were yelled during the attack that left one man with a wired jaw), then I see the USDA's office bringing federal charges and the state letting the feds have the first bite at the apple in terms of prosecution. I do not think the feds would allow a favorable plea deal, so someone or several persons WILL be serving jail time. This case as understood now is NOT suitable for deferred or suspended sentences, or overly sweet plea deals. There might be a plea deal or two to get key testimony from some perpetrators, but there are so many witness in the group that I'm sure plenty will "sing" who didn't do anyhting, and therefore will send their friends up the river without the DA's office even having to persuade with immunity or a plea deal. Incidentally, I love when people admit fault, sing on the stand with federal immunity, and then forget that if the state does not grant immunity they can be prosecuted under the "separate sovereigns" doctrine. Even with lawyers in the mix, these oversights--for lack of a better term--happen all the time. Always get a TOP lawyer, especially when criminal charges might be brought against you.
I hope the perps serve years in prison. No mercy.
Svnw688 saidNot to beat the alligator metaphor to death: but we'd better gird our loins and prepare for their death roll. I say cameras and lawyers EVERYWHERE!
scruffLA said
Outrageous!
Preppy Catholic students along with its coach, hope they go to prison, fucking evil religion
YVRguy saidscruffLA said
Outrageous!
Preppy Catholic students along with its coach, hope they go to prison, fucking evil religion
Did you even read the article you cited? The Catholic archbishop publicly condemned the attacked and banned the assistant coach, and the other guys were former students who are presumably in their twenties now.
canadian_stud saidReligion is good.
It's crappy people acting in a crappy matter and using their religious beliefs as a cloud for their psychotic behavior. Even if these guys were atheists they still would have beaten those two men. In addition they didn't have to be gay also, just different. That's all the excuse racists need.
canadian_stud saidReligion is good.I have to disagree with you on that.
It's crappy people acting in a crappy matter and using their religious beliefs as a cloud for their psychotic behavior. Even if these guys were atheists they still would have beaten those two men. In addition they didn't have to be gay also, just different. That's all the excuse racists need.
Kodiak saidcanadian_stud saidReligion is good.
It's crappy people acting in a crappy matter and using their religious beliefs as a cloud for their psychotic behavior. Even if these guys were atheists they still would have beaten those two men. In addition they didn't have to be gay also, just different. That's all the excuse racists need.
If these guys were atheists, what would their reason be for beating up two gay men, or two men who are 'different?'
Without religion, what real, credible, historical, sociological basis is there for racism or sexism?
canadian_stud saidReligion is good.
It's crappy people acting in a crappy matter and using their religious beliefs as a cloud for their psychotic behavior. Even if these guys were atheists they still would have beaten those two men. In addition they didn't have to be gay also, just different. That's all the excuse racists need.
Kodiak saidcanadian_stud saidReligion is good.
It's crappy people acting in a crappy matter and using their religious beliefs as a cloud for their psychotic behavior. Even if these guys were atheists they still would have beaten those two men. In addition they didn't have to be gay also, just different. That's all the excuse racists need.
If these guys were atheists, what would their reason be for beating up two gay men, or two men who are 'different?'
Without religion, what real, credible, historical, sociological basis is there for racism or sexism?
paulflexes saidcanadian_stud saidReligion is good.I have to disagree with you on that.
It's crappy people acting in a crappy matter and using their religious beliefs as a cloud for their psychotic behavior. Even if these guys were atheists they still would have beaten those two men. In addition they didn't have to be gay also, just different. That's all the excuse racists need.
Religion is bad.
It's the good people who refuse to commit the barbaric acts called upon by religions who make it seem good. Religion within itself - every religious text - requires barbaric acts against sinners.
Sweetooth saidKodiak saidcanadian_stud saidReligion is good [...]
[...] Without religion, what real, credible, historical, sociological basis is there for racism or sexism?
[...] While an atheist can be a homophobe, religion generally gives an excuse, green light per se.
canadian_stud saidIt's crappy people acting in a crappy matter and using their religious beliefs as a cloud for their psychotic behavior. [...]
Sweetooth said^I was actually just solidifying your point, and am in total agreement.
Kodiak saidSweetooth said^I was actually just solidifying your point, and am in total agreement.
Well cheers! Still, gave me a chance to go over my own point again, and expand on it a bit more. Hopefully whoever else reads it understands my point a bit better.
I was just a bit skeptical when you mentioned, "religion generally gives an excuse, green light per se." I'm careful not to use that as an argument, because apologists will often use that as a point in their favor, and roll out the No True Scotsman Fallacy.
"Oh, if they're just using it as an excuse, then they aren't true believers of [religion]!"
Easy enough to tear that down logically, but it's really just a distraction and a waste of time in an argument or discussion. S'all groovy!