Air Force No Longer Requires Officers To Say 'So Help Me God'

  • metta

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    Sep 19, 2014 7:19 PM GMT
    Air Force No Longer Requires Officers To Say 'So Help Me God'


    http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/air_force_no_longer_requires_officers_to_say_so_help_me_god
  • SargeKO

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    Sep 19, 2014 11:27 PM GMT
    Wow. I wonder what all the Evangelical chaplains have to say about that!
  • FRE0

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    Sep 20, 2014 12:36 AM GMT
    SargeFight saidWow. I wonder what all the Evangelical chaplains have to say about that!


    Pat Robertson has already spoken. There is no need to post what he said.
  • Darwin1122

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    Sep 20, 2014 5:53 PM GMT
    Thank God!

    ^you see what I did there icon_lol.gif
  • buddycat

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    Sep 20, 2014 6:48 PM GMT
    God is such an ambiguous term, I don't see the harm in it.
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    Sep 20, 2014 7:23 PM GMT
    buddycat saidGod is such an ambiguous term, I don't see the harm in it.


    I don't see the harm in omitting it.
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    Sep 21, 2014 2:48 AM GMT
    buddycat saidGod is such an ambiguous term, I don't see the harm in it.


    It's actually quite simple. God exists within the confines of religion. To require a person to to ask a god he/she does not believe in for help as a prerequisite for serving their country is akin to establishing a religious affiliation.

    It goes something like this:

    'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;..'
  • Rush_

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    Sep 21, 2014 8:09 AM GMT
    buddycat saidGod is such an ambiguous term, I don't see the harm in it.


    Simple example: I'm Buddhist. Don't believe in god. Why should I swear, even if only lip service (which is lying, goes against the prohibition against false speech), to a deity I don't believe in?

    Omitting the single line will not harm anything
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    Sep 21, 2014 8:35 AM GMT
    the cold war lead to America re branding it self as the god fearing christian democracy.
  • SargeKO

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    Sep 21, 2014 2:11 PM GMT
    Rush_ said
    buddycat saidGod is such an ambiguous term, I don't see the harm in it.


    Simple example: I'm Buddhist. Don't believe in god. Why should I swear, even if only lip service (which is lying, goes against the prohibition against false speech), to a deity I don't believe in?

    Omitting the single line will not harm anything


    If Buddhists consider veneration of the worthy ones very important, may you avow to one or all of them?
  • SargeKO

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    Sep 21, 2014 2:14 PM GMT
    pellaz saidthe cold war lead to America re branding it self as the god fearing christian democracy.


    The Declaration of Independence says the "Creator" gave us our rights. Is the "Cold War" you refer to the one against England?
  • Rush_

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    Sep 21, 2014 5:52 PM GMT
    SargeFight said
    Rush_ said
    buddycat saidGod is such an ambiguous term, I don't see the harm in it.


    Simple example: I'm Buddhist. Don't believe in god. Why should I swear, even if only lip service (which is lying, goes against the prohibition against false speech), to a deity I don't believe in?

    Omitting the single line will not harm anything


    If Buddhists consider veneration of the worthy ones very important, may you avow to one or all of them?


    Thing is our "deities" are purely emanations of the mind in Vajrayana. They are not separate from the self, and thus we don't really venerate them. By swearing to something, we inherently create the same nonduality we wish to overcome
  • KissTheSky

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    Sep 21, 2014 10:07 PM GMT
    It makes you wonder why this took so long. No American should have religion forced on them by the government.