I discovered the secret behind effeminate men

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    Sep 20, 2014 8:39 AM GMT
    Today I was minding my own business eating a sandwich when these 2 gay guys sat in front of me and started talking to each other. I started to wonder about some stuff then it hit me: the reason some gay guys are effeminate is because their instinct makes them act like women to attract men (because thats what most men are attracted to).
    They cant help it or sometimes dont even notice, that's why so many are in denial about it.
    Also if you take a look masculine men are ussually attracted to the feminine type because of this same reason.
    Just like fem guys are not into fems but into the masculine men and sexual roles are also directly related with that.

    I already know many of you will bitch about this, but who agrees with me? If you dont, feel free to share your own theory (i know this topic is entretaining for everyone).



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    Sep 20, 2014 8:44 AM GMT
    I think its legit, ill write more later but i feel the same way about some gays.
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    Sep 20, 2014 8:47 AM GMT
    Omega_Einhorne saidI think its legit, ill write more later but i feel the same way about some gays.

    Good, looking forward tyour reply.
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    Sep 20, 2014 8:49 AM GMT
    What a load of tosh icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Sep 20, 2014 8:50 AM GMT
    What kind of sammich?
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    Sep 20, 2014 8:54 AM GMT
    bon_pan saidWhat kind of sammich?

    Black bread with 'milanesa' beef, mayo, tomatto and letuce, it was pretty good, I was also drinking Coca cola zero
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    Sep 20, 2014 8:59 AM GMT
    David3K said
    bon_pan saidWhat kind of sammich?

    Black bread with 'milanesa' beef, mayo, tomatto and letuce, it was pretty good, I was also drinking Coca cola zero


    No mustard? No horseradish? icon_cry.gif
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    Sep 20, 2014 9:36 AM GMT
    what the fuck is he talking about?

    In that case you are a woman as well because you like men, r*tard
  • Trauts

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    Sep 20, 2014 9:41 AM GMT
    Really? I've known so many masculine guys who are only attracted to non-effeminate guys though. And I always thought the number of guys that are attracted to effeminate men have always been really low.
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    Sep 20, 2014 10:54 AM GMT
    Dude, stop poking your nose in stuffs about what you've no clue. Why are you so obsessed with effeminate men?
    You are like those closeted homophobic gays who in order to hide their homosexuality bash gay people. I have seen many postings where you equate bottoms and effeminate men with being a girl. If anything, for all the heterosexuals you are the same, a girl, because you like to have sex with guys.
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    Sep 20, 2014 11:51 AM GMT
    interesting point lol
  • venue35

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    Sep 20, 2014 12:11 PM GMT
    You are 100% wrong.
    Fem guys have fem dna.
    It's in the genes. No outside factors or mating instincts apply here.
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    Sep 20, 2014 1:38 PM GMT
    David3K said
    ...the reason some gay guys are effeminate is because their instinct makes them act like women to attract men (because thats what most men are attracted to).
    ...Also if you take a look masculine men are usually attracted to the feminine type because of this same reason.

    I already know many of you will bitch about this, but who agrees with me? If you dont, feel free to share your own theory (i know this topic is entertaining for everyone).

    A problem with your theory is that genetics is worthless if the individual does not procreate. A gay man who doesn't mate with a woman is a genetic dead end, at least until very recent times with the intervention of science.

    Having "fem dna" (and I'm not sure what that is as venue 35 calls it) in order to attract other gay men is not something Nature would do. Nature does things repeatedly that will enhance successful procreation, and does other things randomly, that may or may not give an evolutionary advantage. Fem gay guys are fairly common, not random, and do not procreate, and meet none of Nature's obvious procreation goals.

    Unless you subscribe to another theory, that humans, being social creatures, also benefit as a species from non-breeding individuals who assist the breeding population in other ways. In both easing parenting duties of the breeders, especially the men to hunt in early times and assisting the women in child rearing, and in enhancing culture and non-subsistence elements of life.

    Some anthropologists are coming to the conclusion that human culture is as important to our thriving as an advanced species as are food & shelter. Therefore, non-breeding gays who make cultural contributions play an important role. But this is a more subtle model than classic Darwinian evolution, and the mechanism not entirely clear. And still doesn't explain fem versus "manly" in gays.

    As for myself, I guess I'm an exception to your own model. I like masculine men, not effeminate. Not that I don't have fem friends, but in my love life I like a man who mirrors myself. I must do that, or I'll run him right over him, trample him, without realizing I'm doing it. Having a strong mate is in my best interests, and his.

    Same with women. I like independent and strong women. Not dependent kittens and airheads. I prefer people of any sex or orientation who can stand toe-to-toe with me, and be my equal in every sense.

    Now I'm obviously assuming that fems are easily dominated. Not all, of course, but most I've seen are. What passes for strength is more often passive aggressiveness, which I happily avoid. So no, bottom line I prefer a non-fem gay man in my life. And I've seen plenty of fem-fem couples, who seem very compatible & happy. So maybe that's the best formula for most of us - guys most like ourselves.

    But I see no broad evidence to support your contention that fem guys are made that way to attract other "manly" men, as you put it.
  • jaroslav123

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    Sep 20, 2014 1:43 PM GMT
    People act effeminate because that's how they are. People act masculine because that's how they are. Some people like masculinity or femininity, or both, because that's where they are. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Sure, there might be societal pressures which offer some extra complex factors into this, but most people are usually genuinely macho or genuinely femme. Sometimes, they might exaggerate these, but I hardly think for the most part (might be in individual cases) that you get a macho acting fem or fem acting macho.

    Why does this issue always have to be turned and warped into some quasi-scientific load of nonsense about the motives and the psychology of why people act a certain way? There's actually more of a complex dichotomy, it's not just macho vs femme - you get differing types of fem, differing types of macho, actions which can be perceived/argued as being macho or femme.
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    Sep 20, 2014 1:58 PM GMT
    David3K said the reason some gay guys are effeminate is because their instinct makes them act like women to attract men (because thats what most men are attracted to).




    Sure won't attract me that way, lol.
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    Sep 20, 2014 2:20 PM GMT
    I'm not what you would call effeminate, but neither am I the least bit attracted to typically feminine qualities. There goes your theory?
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    Sep 20, 2014 2:22 PM GMT
    JuanPablomv89 said
    You always complain about republicans and guess what?. You are WORSE than them because you dont like fems and HIV+ gay men. Hope that fat ass old bitch Hilary Clinton dont win the next elections..

    I'm reminded of an old Looney Tunes cartoon, where a character says: "He don't know me verwey well, do he?"

    My late HIV+ partner might come back to haunt you for your words. You know I married him knowing he was poz? How many guys here, being negative themselves, have willingly done that? I would guess not too many. And when you consider that all my charity work is directed to HIV/AIDS causes, many of my closest friends having HIV or AIDS, you would realize not only how wrong, but how insulting & hurtful your remark is.

    As for Republicans, I grew up in a Republican family. Both my parents were Republican elected office holders. I grew up helping them campaign, knocking on doors to hand out Republican campaign literature, something that would be illegal today for a little kid.

    My very first US vote, at 21 in those days, was by absentee from Ft. Benning, Georgia. And I proudly showed my buddies that my own mother was on the ballot, as a Republican. I guess you know I voted for her. I remain very attached to my parents' memories, and their extensive community involvement has been the inspiration for my own.

    Problem is that today's Republicans are not yesterday's Republicans (and even then they had those HUAC & McCarthy problems). I doubt my late parents would be Republicans today, and I'm certainly not. By any political label I remain what they were: socially liberal, fiscally reserved, supporting strong defense.

    As for fems, not practical to introduce you to my fem friends and change your mind. I've said I don't want one in my bed, but so what? Lots of guys here express all kinds of preferences, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR SEX LIVES. That doesn't mean we don't befriend the other guys. You need to grow up and enter the adult world.
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    Sep 20, 2014 2:25 PM GMT
    I mostly disagree with you David, however I do believe you may be partially right. I tend to agree more with Venue. I can't tell you how many very young boys I've seen that exhibit overtly feminine mannerisms. One of my family member's son for example was very feminine since he was 5 years old. His brothers were raised the same exact way and yet didn't show any of these feminine traits. And my first cousin who is the same age as me always begged for dolls for Christmas and would get out all his mom's pots and pans and pretend to cook dinner in front of the fireplace. He grew up to be a hairdresser and is very fem to this day.

    I also disagree that masculine men are more attracted to fem guys. In fact, it seems fem guys have a difficult time attracting masculine or fem guys because most gay men want a man to act like a man....otherwise they'd probably just be straight.

    I also have to disagree with ArtDeco. Nature is not static. It evolves with what the planet needs at the time. Although I have no scientific proof of this, my theory has always been that the Earth produces more homosexuals the more overpopulated it gets.

    The bottom line is (pun unintended), we need to be compassionate towards our more feminine brothers. A lot of people find them irritating for many different reasons. But unless they're intentionally acting bitchy, they should be treated with the same respect as anyone else because most of the time it's not an act.
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    Sep 20, 2014 2:28 PM GMT
    Scruffypup said
    I also have to disagree with ArtDeco. Nature is not static. It evolves with what the planet needs at the time. Although I have no scientific proof of this, my theory has always been that the Earth produces more homosexuals the more overpopulated it gets.

    Homosexuals have always existed, and have always played a vital role in the Human narrative. Still do.

    I don't think there's any more or less of a percentage of us than there was 500 years ago, or a thousand years ago.

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    Sep 20, 2014 2:34 PM GMT
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    Scruffypup said
    I also have to disagree with ArtDeco. Nature is not static. It evolves with what the planet needs at the time. Although I have no scientific proof of this, my theory has always been that the Earth produces more homosexuals the more overpopulated it gets.

    Homosexuals have always existed, and have always played a vital role in the Human narrative. Still do.

    I don't think there's any more or less of a percentage of us than there was 500 years ago, or a thousand years ago.



    You may be right, but there are no polls from when the Earth was first being populated so there's no way to prove or disprove my theory.
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    Sep 20, 2014 2:40 PM GMT
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    teroh said
    Scruffypup said
    I also have to disagree with ArtDeco. Nature is not static. It evolves with what the planet needs at the time. Although I have no scientific proof of this, my theory has always been that the Earth produces more homosexuals the more overpopulated it gets.

    Homosexuals have always existed, and have always played a vital role in the Human narrative. Still do.

    I don't think there's any more or less of a percentage of us than there was 500 years ago, or a thousand years ago.



    You may be right, but there are no polls from when the Earth was first being populated so there's no way to prove or disprove my theory.
    We do, however, have primary documents pertaining to the cradle of civilization, and how people lived in ancient times. Arguably, the earth was being populated at the very crux of their respective advents -- the Neolithic Revolution and every subsequent era.
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    Sep 20, 2014 3:21 PM GMT
    You all are not getting what I said:
    "Also if you take a look masculine men are ussually attracted to the feminine type because of this same reason."

    Im talking of masc guys who like the fem type only, not all gays!

    In other words what Im saying is masculine men who prefer fem guys do it because of their feminine qualities. Thats how nature work: we find each other.
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    Sep 20, 2014 3:27 PM GMT
    Scruffypup said
    I also have to disagree with ArtDeco. Nature is not static. It evolves with what the planet needs at the time. Although I have no scientific proof of this, my theory has always been that the Earth produces more homosexuals the more overpopulated it gets.

    The bottom line is (pun unintended), we need to be compassionate towards our more feminine brothers. A lot of people find them irritating for many different reasons. But unless they're intentionally acting bitchy, they should be treated with the same respect as anyone else because most of the time it's not an act.

    I wasn't aware I was describing a static model. The mechanisms I outlined would allow for dynamic change. And I've also often wondered about some overriding Earthly will or consciousness, like a Gaea concept, that directs these things. Adding or subtracting gays as needed, for instance, as you propose for population control.

    But on balance I tend to favor a bottom-up model (no double entendre), rather than a top-down one. Where very small forces combine to unconsciously cause greater changes.

    I remember one time when I was 18, I rode my motorcycle up to High Point, New Jersey. Right where the Jersey joins with New York and Pennsylvania. And I walked to this overlook, and saw the green rolling hills spread out below, a wonderful panorama.

    Down there somewhere was my boys summer camp from nearly 10 years earlier. And so I knew what lay under that heavy green canopy, all the diverse life, all the biological activity.

    But from up on High Point it looked to me like... a kind of growth on the Earth, a fungus perhaps. And how would someone from space see it, an alien? I began to learn the concept of scale.

    And wondered about larger forces at work. Perhaps even intelligent, or at least purposeful. But in the end I still think it's cumulative, bottom up. And certainly not static, but in a state of constant change. Although often too slow and subtle for a single human lifetime to perceive it.

    As for fems, sometimes I think it's a campy act, especially when it gets extreme, but I also can believe it's an underlying natural tendency. I mean, I know these guys, have known them for 20 years. I've seen them all over the US, they're all very much the same. I'm not aware of how you can find classes in the middle of Nowhere, USA, to learn to speak & act that way. It must be innate, something much deeper than externally instructed.
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    Sep 20, 2014 4:11 PM GMT
    David3K saidYou all are not getting what I said:
    "Also if you take a look masculine men are ussually attracted to the feminine type because of this same reason."

    Im talking of masc guys who like the fem type only, not all gays!

    In other words what Im saying is masculine men who prefer fem guys do it because of their feminine qualities. Thats how nature work: we find each other.





    You're just plain dumb and are making a fool outta yourself LoL
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    Sep 20, 2014 4:45 PM GMT
    David3K saidYou all are not getting what I said:
    "Also if you take a look masculine men are ussually attracted to the feminine type because of this same reason."

    Im talking of masc guys who like the fem type only, not all gays!

    In other words what Im saying is masculine men who prefer fem guys do it because of their feminine qualities. Thats how nature work: we find each other.



    In a big city such as LA, I have seen all types coupled

    Very butch men, usually white and muscled, coupled with very feminine, hairless looking asian men, or two average Joes together, two fat guys together or two butch muscled men together. What I don't usually see, but have on occasion, is two feminine men together, of any race but especially two asian gay men. Not sure why gay asian men don't prefer each other, of the same race. It is why at Circuit, half the crowd white, the other half asian and the co-mingling, sometimes not co-mingling.

    Your theory might explain why more and more I see very feminine straight women showing up at a gay leather/levi bar club, they are looking for the same thing, butch masculine men, so I have been told by a few of them. But these women know they are barking up the wrong tree and must feel safe they wont be bothered. They can look and admire but that is as far as it will go on most occasions. Why are these fem straight women unhappy attending to their own heterosexual men is what I want to know, Magic Mike syndrom icon_question.gif