ISIS: Bringing Hostage-takers to justice...Does it ever "come true"?

  • jaroslav123

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    Sep 20, 2014 11:56 AM GMT
    http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9315732/to-catch-a-killer/

    Opening three paragraphs:

    The words are strong, the sentiment behind them no doubt heartfelt. ‘We will do everything in our power to hunt down these murderers and ensure they face justice, however long it takes,’ said David Cameron, speaking as Britain recoiled in horror at yet another jihadist beheading video, this time of a British man, David Haines.

    Sadly, Cameron’s promises are empty. Ask a Whitehall official how many suspected murderers of British hostages have been brought to justice and there is a long silence. ‘Let me get back to you on that,’ said one this week.

    There is a depressing pattern. In 2004, Ken Bigley, from Liverpool, was beheaded in Iraq by the group led by a Jordanian militant called Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi. Tony Blair expressed his outrage and vowed to bring those responsible to justice. Two years later, we still hadn’t got him. Al-Zarqawi was then killed by a bomb dropped on his hideout — but by the US airforce after being tracked down to his lair, not by British detectives but by Jordanian intelligence agents. There were sound tactical reasons why no one could go and arrest Al-Zarqawi, but his death was closer to retribution than justice.



    Aside from the clichéd, over the top title, this is an excellent article from The Spectator.
  • FRE0

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    Sep 20, 2014 5:44 PM GMT
    In the short run, sometimes there is nothing we can do about those who perpetuate atrocities. Sometimes about all we can do is hope that circumstances we cannot foresee will justly punish them.
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    Sep 20, 2014 6:19 PM GMT
    If they linger around the Middle East long enough they could end up getting killed by the US. However if they go back to the UK the only punishment they will get is free housing and community service. Maybe we will even see them as prominent BBC experts giving interviews and taking part on debates on how to reintegrate Muslim "youths" into British society.

    Let's not forget this is the justice system which granted the Pan Am bomber an early release because of a stomach ache and allowed over a thousand girls to get raped because they were afraid of being called a petty word. Britain and Europe in general have no respect for victims of crime, their government is more concerned about not hurting the feelings of their precious Muslim community than delivering justice, so don't expect much from them.
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    Sep 20, 2014 6:27 PM GMT
    I don't really care if they get taken out of circulation by a jury at the Old Bailey or by a thousand pounder courtesy of the USAF. If they are in the thick of terrorist activity, their chances of long-term survival aren't that high.
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    Sep 20, 2014 8:46 PM GMT
    Well look at it like this, the number of British hostages is nothing compared to the innocent casualties in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan etc. Including mothers, children stc.

    None of the people responsible for their deaths will ever be brought to justice because their deaths happened during circumstances called "friendly fire"

    Nothing friendly about it.

    We really shouldn't be there
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    Sep 21, 2014 8:40 AM GMT
    Those fucking jews have been slaughtering masses in Palestine and nobody did nothing to stop those genocides. but as soon as somebody takes one British or american hostage everybody sends troupes to bring the murderers to justice.

    sometimes i feel like the world needs the plague to happen all over again.
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    Sep 21, 2014 10:42 AM GMT
    patito saidThose fucking jews have been slaughtering masses in Palestine and nobody did nothing to stop those genocides. but as soon as somebody takes one British or american hostage everybody sends troupes to bring the murderers to justice.

    sometimes i feel like the world needs the plague to happen all over again.


    I think you mean 'those Israelis'. You clearly have an anti-semitic outlook (not to mention a pretty jaundiced outlook generally), so you're not really competent to comment on the issue in an objective way.
  • tj85016

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    Sep 21, 2014 1:04 PM GMT
    the atrocity is Europe (primarily) fucking over the Middle East and slaughtering people for 200 years for OIL

    The English, the Dutch, the Germans and the French
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    Sep 21, 2014 6:54 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 said
    patito saidThose fucking jews have been slaughtering masses in Palestine and nobody did nothing to stop those genocides. but as soon as somebody takes one British or american hostage everybody sends troupes to bring the murderers to justice.

    sometimes i feel like the world needs the plague to happen all over again.


    I think you mean 'those Israelis'. You clearly have an anti-semitic outlook (not to mention a pretty jaundiced outlook generally), so you're not really competent to comment on the issue in an objective way.


    i'm pretty sure everyone can tell you're pretty much the most boring user on this forum.

    you're not competent to post at all.
  • jaroslav123

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    Sep 22, 2014 11:00 AM GMT
    coolssss saidwooooooooooooicon_biggrin.gif

    you told more than i will ever imagine
    but my loveicon_razz.gif
    note the difference between
    1)..isreal...it's nazian countryicon_redface.gif
    2)jew ...is a religion we respect iticon_wink.gif
    3)jaws...those are wall street 1%
    their night is dark with usicon_razz.gif


    Your posts always confuse me...

    "Isreal...it's a nazian country", "jew ...is a religion we respect", "jaws...those are wall street"

    What are you on about, honey? icon_lol.gif
  • jaroslav123

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    Sep 22, 2014 11:01 AM GMT
    tj85016 saidthe atrocity is Europe (primarily) fucking over the Middle East and slaughtering people for 200 years for OIL

    The English, the Dutch, the Germans and the French


    Don't forget water as well as oil.
  • jaroslav123

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    Sep 22, 2014 11:03 AM GMT
    patito saidThose fucking jews have been slaughtering masses in Palestine and nobody did nothing to stop those genocides. but as soon as somebody takes one British or american hostage everybody sends troupes to bring the murderers to justice.

    sometimes i feel like the world needs the plague to happen all over again.


    "Those fucking jews" - whilst I understand entirely that Palestine is being brutally slaughtered...you could phrase that a bit more delicately. Israel/Palestine is such a complex issue and always results in people saying "the jews did this" or "the arabs did this"...

    We should really just be saying "the IDF did this" or "Hamas did this"...

    This isn't even what some tossers call "political correctness", this is just "factual correctness".
  • jaroslav123

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    Sep 22, 2014 11:08 AM GMT
    AaronH20P saidIf they linger around the Middle East long enough they could end up getting killed by the US. However if they go back to the UK the only punishment they will get is free housing and community service. Maybe we will even see them as prominent BBC experts giving interviews and taking part on debates on how to reintegrate Muslim "youths" into British society.

    Let's not forget this is the justice system which granted the Pan Am bomber an early release because of a stomach ache and allowed over a thousand girls to get raped because they were afraid of being called a petty word. Britain and Europe in general have no respect for victims of crime, their government is more concerned about not hurting the feelings of their precious Muslim community than delivering justice, so don't expect much from them.


    This is true to an extent (back up your insane "stomach ache story").

    The issue has always been separating moderate muslims from jihadi muslims, and because a substantial amount of people are incapable of doing this, what's happened is some people are strangely afraid of criticising jihadi muslims (even if moderate muslims criticise jihadi muslims).

    (I say "jihadi" to refer to "jihad of the sword" - I know that the concept of Jihad isn't entirely about murder and maiming).

    The problem is that this is an issue all about extremes. Currently in Britain we have a group called "Britain First" - a group who aren't just politically incoherent but genuinely think that they can solve the pressing and serious issue of Islamic extremism by going outside Anjem Choudhary's house and shouting out badly-worded maxims through a megaphone.
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    Sep 22, 2014 12:51 PM GMT
    jaroslav123 said
    coolssss saidwooooooooooooicon_biggrin.gif

    you told more than i will ever imagine
    but my loveicon_razz.gif
    note the difference between
    1)..isreal...it's nazian countryicon_redface.gif
    2)jew ...is a religion we respect iticon_wink.gif
    3)jaws...those are wall street 1%
    their night is dark with usicon_razz.gif


    Your posts always confuse me...

    "Isreal...it's a nazian country", "jew ...is a religion we respect", "jaws...those are wall street"

    What are you on about, honey? icon_lol.gif



    nazi + asian = nazian.

    beware of trolls. they are contagious.


    coolssss saidboyssssssssss...................hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii


    if somebody said this in front of me i'd punch them right in the neck.
  • jaroslav123

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    Sep 22, 2014 1:52 PM GMT
    coolssss said1)isreal is an ideology NAZIicon_sad.gif (occupation country)..closed ...donn't mix ..we are the better race ETC.
    made by england ,,,british story
    icon_redface.gifmy spelling letters on english is sooooo bad
    but you can get my idea
    2)BUT THE JEW IS A RELIGION ...far than thoughts of isreal
    ...jew temples are every place on my city alexandria
    ...those are god houses...and we never burn one during
    our revolution..we on same GOD
    3)the evil part of our storyicon_evil.gif
    is those top class rich people ILLUMANTTI AND FREE MASONRY.....aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhicon_razz.gif
    those people are fake jew religion with black magic and politics...moses was a prince on egypt
    they worship SATANicon_twisted.gifAND love THE OLD EGYPTIAN
    PHAROAHS ...as my nation lived as satanic people for
    thousands years ago... the longest age of all empires ...they enjoy it for centuries
    THAT'S WHY POLITICIANS LOVE AND RESPECT ..every GOVERNMENT LOVE IMMORTALITYicon_sad.gif
    icon_idea.gificon_question.gif


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  • jaroslav123

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    Sep 23, 2014 12:09 PM GMT
    coolssss saidi see a queen crownicon_lol.gif
    after DIANNA MURDER..with egyptian play boy
    ..the royals miss their popularity around the worldicon_sad.gif
    the women told the tabloids every thing from underwear
    to relations and affairsicon_wink.gif
    wish them long better lifeicon_eek.gif
    TODAY IS THE CNN SHOW!!!...WE STRIKE ISIS
    ...WE CALL IT THE ELEPHANTS WARS ...WHY?
    do you think elephants can catch rats on animal planticon_question.gif
    ...jungle nature...elephants never run after rats
    ...the rats are under ground moving on tunnels what the elephants make is some noise and the rats will run away on every direction of the jungleicon_rolleyes.gif
    those evil group ISIS..well prepared and trained they come even from europe and usa...every one enjoy hunting and killing people join them...what we will see is the death of civilians ..sorry..we miss the targets and the lovely expression when they hit it was a friendly fireicon_lol.gif
    i never support them ..i hate them more than you ever imagine...but some mistakes are hereicon_question.gif
    USA give them the reason for terror attacks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!so pls never cry and when it happen you say sunni ISLAMIC EXTREMIST
    AS YOU SEE THE ISLAMIC sunni COUNTRIES
    JOIN* ...JOIN* ...USA ON KILLING THOSE ISISicon_razz.gif
    SO THOSE ARE NOT sunni moslem
    good luck and hope a green earth!!!!
    hahahahahaaaaaa


    Right, I'm tired of your nonsensical stupid posts. I'm ignoring you honey. icon_rolleyes.gif