FINAL ADJOURNMENT: Bush makes final rounds as the end nears

  • HndsmKansan

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    Jan 14, 2009 1:01 PM GMT
    You've been the images on TV.. Bush making the final rounds as the
    end of his administration nears. He has addressed the troops, had a final cabinet meeting, even an "exit interview" with Larry King. He is to address the country on Thursday evening. By next Tuesday, Bush will be history.

    While I find some of the comments fascinating, I really don't think he has a real grasp on the fallout of his "efforts" during the last almost 8 years. I think he views his actions as prudent and diligent based on world events.
    I've taken some time to analyze his approach. I can do that without letting
    my own personal views interfere. I thought the congrats his gave his cabinet members for a "job well done" was amazing.

    I think comments made by knowledgable pundits really sums it up.. I like the one made by David Gergen (who isn't leftist in the least), saying that Bush will be viewed "very harshly" and among the bottom tier of failed presidents. He did say that depending on events, that could improve... but for now.

    Your thoughts on the end of the Bush administration?
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    Jan 14, 2009 2:04 PM GMT
    There is already talks by the Democratic Senate and House for trials on some of the Bush Administration and thier crimanal actions. I believe after obama takes office and he get the stimulas packages going you will then see a lot of work being done on bring these criminals to trial ofver many different topics. Perhaps even Bush himself.


    Bush's pathetic last minute actions won't help him then.
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    Jan 14, 2009 5:07 PM GMT
    I agree totally with Cowboiway, there's a tremendous pressure to bring suspected and sometimes obvious criminality to justice. Everyday I read of effort by some congressional or senate committee or personality that is heading in that direction, recently Hadley reintroduced his bill to stop bush from any pre-emptive pardons for bush and his minions. Bush has a terrible legacy, and I personally think that as the truth comes out, it will quash any long term positive effects that he is banking his legacy on. Bush had a great opportunity through the adverse events under his watch, to become a great president, and to show the world that even under the worst of circumstances Americas rule of law, and its constitutional democratic principles would bring our country through like a shining becon to the world. But instead bush and his thugs on nearly every front chose the morally low ground, cheney's 'DARK SIDE' prevailed. Because of his administration we are worse off on virtually every front. (the only good he's done is the amount of money he devoted to AIDES, I'll give him that much) He will likely have the worst record of any president in US history.
  • GQjock

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    Jan 14, 2009 9:39 PM GMT
    Without a doubt the Caligula of modern time

    The Hague is ttoo good for him
  • OutdoorAdvent...

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    Jan 14, 2009 10:01 PM GMT
    I say keep Guantanamo open, with Bush as its only detainee, a terrorist and enemy combatant to the core.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jan 14, 2009 10:48 PM GMT
    I'm so glad Bush is being a bit more verbal and speaking his mind now rather than not fighting back at his detractors. Bush will leave office just like every President -- some failed policies, some successful policies -- a difficult Presidency for sure, under extremely trying times in our history. As with every President, there is no magic wand that comes with the office with which you can just POOF away the countries whoas as they come up. Obama will find that out soon enough, and he will surely make his own share of mistakes along the way -- every President does. I don't care what anyone says, I think Bush was a fine President. He can leave office with his head held high, and history will be kinder to him I am sure.

  • SkyMiles

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    Jan 14, 2009 11:21 PM GMT
    Good riddance to the worst prez in history. Whose incompetance and sheer laziness allowed the 9/11 attack to happen in the first place, then lied about WMD and ties to terrorists to justify the invasion and occupation of Iraq resulting in 1 million civilian casulties and 4 million driven from their homes.
    Whose economic policies have resulted in the largest transfer of public wealth into private hands AND ALSO the largest transfer of private debt into public hands.
    Heath care? The Downing Street Memo? Global warming? SCHIP? Gay rights? Domestic spying? Katrina? Alberto Gonzalez? Torture? Rendition? Russia resurgant? Afganistan?!! 5 million more American living in poverty?

    Heckuva job, Bush. 'Mission Accomplished!' You did more damage to this country than Osama bin Laden could ever dream of doing.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jan 14, 2009 11:30 PM GMT
    Well, I hope you feel better now icon_rolleyes.gif
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jan 14, 2009 11:30 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said

    He can leave office with his head held high, and history will be kinder to him I am sure.



    You say it like you almost believe it.... and I wouldn't be too sure,
    I'd never end a comment like "I'm sure".... not at all....

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  • HndsmKansan

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    Jan 14, 2009 11:32 PM GMT
    Colbert_Nation saidGood riddance to the worst prez in history. Whose incompetance and sheer laziness allowed the 9/11 attack to happen in the first place, then lied about WMD and ties to terrorists to justify the invasion and occupation of Iraq


    I can agree with your second statement, but lets be reasonable. I don't think 9/11 happened because of Bush's "sheer laziness"...
  • SkyMiles

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    Jan 14, 2009 11:52 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan said
    Colbert_Nation saidGood riddance to the worst prez in history. Whose incompetance and sheer laziness allowed the 9/11 attack to happen in the first place, then lied about WMD and ties to terrorists to justify the invasion and occupation of Iraq


    I can agree with your second statement, but lets be reasonable. I don't think 9/11 happened because of Bush's "sheer laziness"...


    Hi, HK'
    It may be an overstatement, however, it's justified given all the spin out there suggesting that somehow 9/11 DIDN'T happen under Bush's "watch". I added the quotations because he was on vacation in August...for the WHOLE month! Um, excuse me...if you have an important job, human lives at stake, etc., can you really just chill out for 30 days?? So that's where my 'laziness' assertion comes from. That and he couldn't be bothered to read that presidential daily brief that titled "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Within the United States."

    http://slate.msn.com/id/2098861

    And you do remember where Bush was the day New Orleans was destroyed, right? ;)
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    Jan 15, 2009 6:44 PM GMT
    CuriousJ --- you astound me !!! I can understand Rove and a few other opporatives in part responsible or at least involved in bush policies defending his legacy, but come on man, basicly the jury is back in, and has made its declarations. BUSH F---D UP !!! You know its legitimate and commendable to help bale out a ship while its going down to try to save it, but when the damn thing is already sunk all but a remaining vent stack or two, MAN JUMP SHIP !!!!! you can say or do, or wish for something better for bush legacy all you want but its over, there's no saving anything. man give it up, your embarassing yourself whether you realize it or not.
  • Koaa2

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    Jan 16, 2009 1:16 PM GMT
    I am so glad that this last 8 years is over with, and the "Legacy Tour" has finished this segment of its run.

    I would somehow like to be part of any effort to try, convict and put these people in jail, for the thousands of people they have killed. Outdoor has a great idea by keeping Guantanamo for Bush, Cheney, RIce and the whole group, even some of the people who supported and voted for them, need to go, for supporting this reign of terror.
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    Jan 16, 2009 1:39 PM GMT
    OutdoorAdventurist saidI say keep Guantanamo open, with Bush as its only detainee, a terrorist and enemy combatant to the core.


    Excellent idea. However, I would also include Cheney as the real mastermind behind the destruction they've brought to this world. ~Gary
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    Jan 16, 2009 2:48 PM GMT
    I have always found Bush to be warm and personable. Watching him bumble around TV saying goodbye is like watching a dog die. Cheney, on the other hand, has always been a Satanic automitron. Listening to him on the radio is like listening to a man scream "I'll get you all. I'll get your families first." as he is on his way to the gallows.
  • DalTX

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    Jan 16, 2009 3:02 PM GMT
    Good riddance, thank God it's almost over.
    Unfortunately he's moving to Dallas; there goes the neighborhood.
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    Jan 16, 2009 3:04 PM GMT
    Bush has been a complete disaster:-

    1) No clear victory in Iraq or Afghanistan
    2) Largest economic melt down since the depression
    3) Massive personal, national and corporate debt.
    4) American global prestige (soft power) at a record low.
    5) Osama Bin Laden on the run
    6) The rule of law undermined by Guantanamo and the use of torture.
    7) Falling dollar (fundamentally weakens relationship with China as the Chinese hold their foreign currency reserves in dollars)
    icon_cool.gif Negative approach to gay rights.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jan 16, 2009 7:52 PM GMT
    G.W. Bush has definately been the worst president in this country's history and Dick Cheney has been the worst Vice-President. These two greedy, power hungry rightwingers have literally bankrupt our country with their costly, endless war in Iraq along with the corporate greed at home that led to a massive financial meltdown this past year. Their cold hearted attitudes towards the poor, middle class, and minorities especially gays is horrible as well as unacceptable. That Patriot Act is probably the most unconstitutional law ever written in this country which has led to more surveillance over all our activities. Hopefully that horrendous Patriot Act will be repealed soon after Obama takes office. 01-20-09 just cannot come soon enough. I say lets send both Bush and Cheney to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba and lock both of them up for their horrendous war crimes.
  • GQjock

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    Jan 16, 2009 10:48 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said I don't care what anyone says, I think Bush was a fine President. He can leave office with his head held high, and history will be kinder to him I am sure.



    Why?.... will there be mandatory hallucinogenic drugs being distributed then?

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    Jan 17, 2009 12:32 AM GMT
    Bush's legacy? Let's see. . . . .

    Ignoring near-hysterical warnings from his own National Security Council that Osama bin Laden was going to attack us. . . yet the record shows he did nothing. . .

    Then botching the effort in Afghanistan. . .

    Invading Iraq for absolutely no good reason. . . except the boneheaded notion that we would gain greater access to Iraq oil. . . the result, 4,000 dead Americans, 100,000 dead Iraqis and near a trillion dollars spent (Columbia University estimates the ultimate cost of the war at over $2 trillion). . .

    Leaving behind both wars for his successor to handle. . .

    An economy in the worst shape since the Depression (even though he inherited a very healthy one). . .

    An ill-conceived, largely undefined "plan" to rescue the economy. . . the result, $350 billion wasted so far and almost nobody helped (except the very rich). . . another disaster for Obama to clean up. . .

    Offering two 4-sentence "reassurances" to the American people during this fiscal crisis. . . while looking like a deer caught in the headlights. . . then running away like a little girl before the press could ask him any questions about it. . .

    Adding $5 trillion to the national debt. . . more than ALL other presidents combined. . .

    Incompetent response to Hurricane Katrina. . .

    Delayed for eight years meaningful federal stem cell research. . . eight wasted years which could've led to millions of lives saved and billions of hours of human suffering abated. . .

    Did nothing to help us gain energy independence. . .

    Seems to have absolutely no concern, regret or guilt about any of the above. . .

    And like a little kid, never takes responsibility for anything

    That's the short list.

    He'll go back to Texas and with any luck, will drink himself into oblivion (remember, he is an alcoholic).

    He'll be in the bottom tier of Presidents, along with Harding, Pierce and Buchanan.
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    Jan 17, 2009 12:35 AM GMT
    Here's an excellent summary of his legacy, set to music:

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    Jan 17, 2009 12:38 AM GMT
    DalTX saidGood riddance, thank God it's almost over.
    Unfortunately he's moving to Dallas; there goes the neighborhood.


    Can I pay you to put a flaming bag of dog crap on his front porch, ring the bell and run away?
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    Jan 17, 2009 12:45 AM GMT
    in the immortal words of patsy stone, " for god's sake, just die already".
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    Jan 17, 2009 1:19 AM GMT
    Colbert_Nation saidGood riddance to the worst prez in history. Whose incompetance and sheer laziness allowed the 9/11 attack to happen in the first place, then lied about WMD and ties to terrorists to justify the invasion and occupation of Iraq resulting in 1 million civilian casulties and 4 million driven from their homes.
    Whose economic policies have resulted in the largest transfer of public wealth into private hands AND ALSO the largest transfer of private debt into public hands.
    Heath care? The Downing Street Memo? Global warming? SCHIP? Gay rights? Domestic spying? Katrina? Alberto Gonzalez? Torture? Rendition? Russia resurgant? Afganistan?!! 5 million more American living in poverty?

    Heckuva job, Bush. 'Mission Accomplished!' You did more damage to this country than Osama bin Laden could ever dream of doing.


    Actually it was the policies before Bush, that allowed 9/11 to happen, and those where Clinton's policies. When we got the big attack, which was no surprise being how weak our foreign policy was at the time, and NOBODY took any of the threats as serious, not only that intelligence was weak as hell (Clinton again, and though I did like him, I acknowledge he made mistakes). Bush implemented policies that has kept the country safe, and if they are altered in a way, just so that the more elite of the world, like us, and we are attacked again, which would most likely be way worse than 9/11, people will only have Obama to blame.

    As far as Iraq goes, I heard talk about invading back in the late 90's, and back in 1997, when I was in 9th grade my history teacher who was former military, and pretty wise (was my dad's friend), had told us by the time we were in our 20's that area of the world would be a major problem. The world thought he had WMD's and when the area were they were believed to have been was found, it looked like people picked up and hauled ass with the quickness, which means there were weapons, and he just quickly had help moving/hiding them, but ultimately the world did agree that Saddam was a threat and needed to go.

    The invasion didn't surprise me at all, and I can agree with anyone who says it was mismanaged, which gave birth to many mistakes. While mistakes always happen in war time, because the war was so mismanaged, there were more mistakes than there should have been. Though I believe ridding the country of that evil dictator was noble, and as someone who served there from beginning, and seeing how things are there now, I'm pretty damn proud, and I hope it last, and continues to get better. I still keep in contact with the Iraqis I've made friends with over there, and you'll never see or know of the respect a lot of the citizens have for the military, because of what you read, or whatever news you watch, or listen to others who have the same messed up views you seem to have.

    As far as civilian deaths go, yeah innocent civilians are always caught up in the fight in war time, that's just the sad reality. However when I was over there there were WAY too many times where I saw the enemy use these innocent civilians as shields, because they know we wouldn't willingly go off blowing up a building they're hiding in, or shoot them if they've got a child, or woman in front of them. I also seen many mutilated bodies of innocent civilians who refused to help the enemy, which then of course the enemy will exploit their deaths use it as propaganda the morons of the world will blindly believe and follow. I also saw, and helped take care of the injured civilians, while the enemy would constantly try to destroy them, or the things that were being built up that benefited them. I also saw the people get pretty sick and tired of the enemy, and became less afraid to help us, and be more on our side.

    Bush has made mistakes like presidents before him, Obama too will make mistakes, and when he does, I'll be there (well not there since I don't speak for him haha) but I'll tell people exactly what I'm about to tell you. Its all very easy for you to sit at home, and bash a president, who has to make extremely tough decisions every single day, and gets briefed on issues you can't even image, nor would know how to deal with, Nor can he go about his life like a normal citizen as you do, this is what happens when you're a leader of a country. All of the presidents thus far, and Obama since he's next, have love for the country, and want what's best for the country, and will make decisions on what he/she feels is best for the country.

    The many things Bush did may not have been popular, but if the situation over in Iraq gets better, Obama doesn't tamper with the policies that have kept us from being attacked, and we aren't, years from now when Bush is dead, people will say hey he wasn't perfect, but he wasn't as bad as everyone was saying. I respect him because he didn't care about being popular, and made the tough decisions he had to make when the world greatly changed during, and after 9/11.

    As for Bush doing more damage than Osama, that's pretty damn foolish. Osama is of the radical Islamist beliefs, so great damage to him means The united states, and all other countries that do not believe/live as him and his followers do, should be destroyed. I think people like you should really think long and hard before you start popping off at the mouth, and people in general should get out more and help/volunteer more, instead of sitting back on their asses complaining like some spoiled useless brat.

    I want Obama to do well, (even though I didn't vote for him) and I want to be excited to vote for him second time around. And I'm not going to be like the nasty people who have sat back and bashed Bush over every single little thing, or those who did that to Clinton, that type of attitude is just disgusting, and destructive, to me, and I have no respect for those people.
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    Jan 17, 2009 9:10 AM GMT
    Bush and other leaders like him are THE reason that our founding fathers limited a presidency to two terms. It is this measure, that bears so much foresight, that we can thank for saving us from the prospect of another four years of lunacy and self righteousness in the white house. At least now we have a chance to move forward again. Unfortunately, it will take considerable forward progress just to get back to where we were before Bush and Dick took office! He likes to brag about how secure our nation is now, while conveniently overlooking the fact that the worst attack on American soil since World War II took place on his watch. And from that point forward he contributed virtually nothing to benefit America or her people. He Sucks. End of story!