'Pretentious queens' the self proclaimed community publicly calling for equal gay rights while defending unhealthy sexual practices

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    Sep 21, 2014 10:03 AM GMT
    It occurred to me that the problems with gay men these days stems from an obsession with image and pleasure. With HIV and other STI's on the rise will these men continue to oppose calls to change attitudes of gays toward increasingly wide spread acceptance of high risk sexual behaviours
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    Sep 21, 2014 5:19 PM GMT
    Sydneyrugbyjock73 saidIt occurred to me that the problems with gay men these days stems from an obsession with image and pleasure. With HIV and other STI's on the rise will these men continue to oppose calls to change attitudes of gays toward increasingly wide spread acceptance of high risk sexual behaviours


    I've always been troubled by the selfish immaturity of many gay men. The denial of AIDS and refusal to condemn - not just counsel against, but actively and aggressively condemn - grossly unsafe sexual - and emotional - practices are only part of it. It also finds expression in politics, where for too many gay rights become the ONLY rights worth considering. There's a LOT more going on in the world than just us, dearies, and the sooner we stop being a one-issue constituency, the sooner we'll find even greater acceptance than we already have.
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    Sep 21, 2014 6:07 PM GMT
    ^^


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    Sep 21, 2014 6:09 PM GMT
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    Sydneyrugbyjock73 saidIt occurred to me that the problems with gay men these days stems from an obsession with image and pleasure. With HIV and other STI's on the rise will these men continue to oppose calls to change attitudes of gays toward increasingly wide spread acceptance of high risk sexual behaviours


    I've always been troubled by the selfish immaturity of many gay men. The denial of AIDS and refusal to condemn - not just counsel against, but actively and aggressively condemn - grossly unsafe sexual - and emotional - practices are only part of it. It also finds expression in politics, where for too many gay rights become the ONLY rights worth considering. There's a LOT more going on in the world than just us, dearies, and the sooner we stop being a one-issue constituency, the sooner we'll find even greater acceptance than we already have.


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    Sep 21, 2014 6:44 PM GMT
    OP, we get it: You hate being gay. You clearly need some help coming to terms with your sexual orientation, but writing-off the entire gay community is not the way to go about it.
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    Sep 21, 2014 9:32 PM GMT
    Sydneyrugbyjock73 saidIt occurred to me that the problems with gay men these days stems from an obsession with image and pleasure. With HIV and other STI's on the rise will these men continue to oppose calls to change attitudes of gays toward increasingly wide spread acceptance of high risk sexual behaviours


    Except it isn't. HIV is down 30%. While in the Gay community it was flat, If it wasn't for the HUGE increase in the 13-24 group (+132%) we too would have had a decrease.

    Faulty premise=faulty conclusion.

    Condoms work, true, but only 53% use them.

    Perhaps it's your attitude that needs to change?
    CDC: HIV Treatment Works highlights benefits for those with HIV and their partners
    http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/2014/HIV-Treatment-Works-press-release.html

    "Treatment, especially for those starting antiretroviral drugs right after diagnosis, helps people with HIV live longer and healthier lives, and it prevents the spread of HIV."

    Holy SHIT! This should be great news....but there are people, like you, who condemn anyone who is HIV+. You question our motives....I question yours.

    As for "there was some guy who was BLAMING people that were slut shaming the reason why hiv was still high in the male gay population." is absolutely true! PrEP is very effective 100% if taken as prescribed. So if your Doctor or friends slut shame you out of it, and then get HIV, what GOOD does it do?

    Does it make the slut shamer feel better about their morality judgements? You are the ones who seem to want to continue the HIV disease for your own aggrandizement. So you can feel superior about your choices and thus others 'deserve' what they get? Get off your fucking High Horse. Morality has never ended an epidemic. Science does, without judgement. Find the source, deal with IT

    "“Today, not only can HIV treatment save lives, it can help stop a national epidemic in its tracks,” said Jonathan Mermin, M.D., M.P.H., director of CDC’s National Center for HIV/AIDS, Viral Hepatitis, STD and TB Prevention. “Our goal is to help everyone with HIV know the tremendous health benefits treatment offers to them and the protection it provides to their partners.”

    It is a new policy used with, or without condoms. With 53% not using condoms it's the only way to end the epidemic. 30 years of "condoms only" hasn't worked. If we ignore 50% 0f the problem it will never be over.

    "Mary Jo Meuleners, Red Door’s Community Health Program Supervisor, said state PrEP funding pays for staff time and subsidizes lower fees for patients without insurance. She said that PrEP can help where other measures fail.

    The clinic emphasizes condom use — but does not to stigmatize clients who engage in risky behaviors. “It’s important to have other messages,” Meuleners said, which include using PrEP and getting tested every three months, which the clinic requires for clients on the drug."

    http://www.minnpost.com/health/2014/07/shame-using-hiv-prevention-drug-works-twin-cities-men-confront-truvada-conundrum
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    Sep 21, 2014 9:55 PM GMT
    More straight people have HIV/AIDS than gay people. It looks like your bitter rant is aimed at the wrong audience.
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    Sep 21, 2014 10:26 PM GMT
    KissTheSky saidMore straight people have HIV/AIDS than gay people. It looks like your bitter rant is aimed at the wrong audience.


    Where the fuck did you get that information? Gay people have always been the ones high on this disease.
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    Sep 21, 2014 10:48 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidOP, we get it: You hate being gay. You clearly need some help coming to terms with your sexual orientation, but writing-off the entire gay community is not the way to go about it.


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    Sep 21, 2014 10:50 PM GMT
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    KissTheSky saidMore straight people have HIV/AIDS than gay people. It looks like your bitter rant is aimed at the wrong audience.


    Where the fuck did you get that information? Gay people have always been the ones high on this disease.


    simple math. gays are only 10% of the population. even if every gay guy had hiv there would still be more straights with hiv
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    Sep 21, 2014 10:52 PM GMT
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    Ex_Mil8 saidOP, we get it: You hate being gay. You clearly need some help coming to terms with your sexual orientation, but this is not the way to go about it.


    the op has a point of what he's saying even though he's generalizing but you too also have a point too about the op though.

    but back to the subject, i agree with the op on some gay men though.

    there's three issues that come to mind thinking about that shit.

    1. the fact that there's some gay men that have THEIR own self interests as individuals trying to push those things as being for the whole entire group. one of those examples being the whole "barebacking" thing. for example, a gay guy that wants to have bareback sex with random strangers and goes about trying to convince OTHERS and the larger population to do the same thing simply to benefit their own self interest.



    That played well in the Right Wing Homo Handbook. GAYs are trying to convince straights to convert! Save the CHILDREN! They are a danger!

    Nobody I know is trying to convince anyone to bareback. It's a known occurrence. 53% do. Nor do I know anyone HIV POZ or HIV POZ/Undetectable who wants to "convert" anyone. That's character assassination on a whole group. Shameful.

    But you think slut shaming is a good thing. WOW

    "we also have many folks that DON'T get tested either or even know what they have. unless they start experiencing some weird ass symptoms which starts to fuck them up, then they could care less."

    I agree with the underlined part. THAT is the problem. Especially in the 13-24 age group.

    But late stage AIDS patients who "couldn't care less"? An amazing and slanderous statement about a group of unfortunate people. Most of them are in and out of hospitals at that stage. They were uninformed to begin with. They were afraid to get tested in the first place.

    How can stigma affect prevention?


    "HIV/AIDS stigma adds to the stress experienced by HIV+ persons. In addition, it leads to challenges for HIV prevention efforts.

    HIV testing. Fear of negative social consequences of a positive HIV test result can deter some persons from getting tested. A study of men and women in seven cities in the US found that stigma was associated with a decreased likelihood of being tested for HIV. People who are HIV+ but haven’t tested and don’t know they are HIV+ are less likely to try to prevent transmitting HIV to others."
    - See more at: http://caps.ucsf.edu/archives/factsheets/stigma#sthash.QOdwAyQy.dpuf
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    Sep 21, 2014 10:54 PM GMT
    Jerred said
    KissTheSky saidMore straight people have HIV/AIDS than gay people. It looks like your bitter rant is aimed at the wrong audience.


    Where the fuck did you get that information? Gay people have always been the ones high on this disease.


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    Sep 21, 2014 11:04 PM GMT
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    Jerred said
    KissTheSky saidMore straight people have HIV/AIDS than gay people. It looks like your bitter rant is aimed at the wrong audience.


    Where the fuck did you get that information? Gay people have always been the ones high on this disease.


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    True but a lot of that has to do with rape which here in America the highest rate is still the gay community.
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    Sep 21, 2014 11:17 PM GMT
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    aren't you the guy that was trying to tell folks that it's okay for hiv negative folks to have unprotected sex with hiv positive folks awhile back as long as they were on some anti viral medication, truvada, PreP or whatever the fuck, trying to twist around some shit and misinformation?

    you're EXACTLY the type of person i'm talking about in number 1. right wing propaganda, my ass. i understand that you love bareback sex and just so happen to be hiv positive BUT no need to misinform others to believe exactly what you want them to believe to make it easy for you to find people willing to have bareback sex with you.


    And I guess you didn't read this
    http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/2014/HIV-Treatment-Works-press-release.html

    You're the one who is misinformed. All you can do now is slut shame any and everyone who disagrees with you.



    The campaign also advances the National HIV/AIDS Strategy, which includes decreasing the number of new infections, reducing stigma and discrimination against people living with HIV, and educating Americans about the threat of HIV and how to prevent it.

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    Sep 21, 2014 11:23 PM GMT
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    pazzy said


    aren't you the guy that was trying to tell folks that it's okay for hiv negative folks to have unprotected sex with hiv positive folks awhile back as long as they were on some anti viral medication, truvada, PreP or whatever the fuck, trying to twist around some shit and misinformation?

    you're EXACTLY the type of person i'm talking about in number 1. right wing propaganda, my ass. i understand that you love bareback sex and just so happen to be hiv positive BUT no need to misinform others to believe exactly what you want them to believe to make it easy for you to find people willing to have bareback sex with you.


    And I guess you didn't read this
    http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/2014/HIV-Treatment-Works-press-release.html

    You're the one who is misinformed. All you can do now is slut shame any and everyone who disagrees with you.

    Pathetic Puritan.


    exactly, my point.

    irony of you bitching about slut shaming when you're virgin shaming, you dumbfuck. don't get mad because you happen to match the type of trifling motherfucker that i'm talking about.

    for the record, "reducing" the chances of transmission doesn't mean that you can't get the bug. once again, twisting around information for your self interest.


    What self interest? I only see POZ/Poz/U guys. I want HIV reduced, stupid cunt....it's people like you who perpetuate hate and slut shame those who know how to reduce the epidemic.
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    Sep 21, 2014 11:26 PM GMT
    Where am I "virgin shaming"?

    Since "you're EXACTLY the type of person i'm talking about...."

    I'm going to be IN YOUR FACE. icon_lol.gif
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    Sep 21, 2014 11:33 PM GMT
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    Jerred said
    KissTheSky saidMore straight people have HIV/AIDS than gay people. It looks like your bitter rant is aimed at the wrong audience.


    Where the fuck did you get that information? Gay people have always been the ones high on this disease.


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    Here are the recent facts worldwide:

    "The sexual HIV transmission rate in men who have sex with men (MSM) is substantially higher than the rate seen in heterosexuals. This is due to a number of biological, behavioral, and social factors."

    http://std.about.com/od/glbtcommunity/a/Why-Do-Gay-Men-Have-An-Increased-Risk-Of-Hiv.htm
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    Sep 21, 2014 11:34 PM GMT
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    timmm55 saidWhere am I "virgin shaming"?

    Since "you're EXACTLY the type of person i'm talking about...."

    I'm going to be IN YOUR FACE. icon_lol.gif


    you called me a puritan, you idiot. icon_lol.gif


    Rven puritans had sex, moron.
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    Sep 21, 2014 11:49 PM GMT
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    however, that still doesn't change the fact that you seem to think that it's cool for hiv positive folks to bareback and shit with negative folks as long as they're on anti-viral medication spreading misinformation to folks out there or anybody who can be reading this forum for your self interest. as i said, just because you like to have bareback sex and shit doesn't MEAN that you have to convince those around you or the rest of the world that everything is all good where folks should partake in it. you've done that a shitload of times in here. got mad when folks called you out and whatever.


    It's a matter of choice and knowledge. One you refuse to give others, and the other you lack.

    If a couple is in a serodiscordant relationship that is their choice. As it is for any adult in a consensual relationship. If they are informed and knowledgeable they will do what they want.

    I don't care if you ever get laid. That's for you to decide.

    This is knowledge "HIV Treatment Works, a communication campaign focused exclusively on encouraging treatment and care for people living with HIV was launched today by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The campaign is the first of its kind by CDC and aims to get more Americans living with HIV to stay in care and take treatment.

    Treatment, especially for those starting antiretroviral drugs right after diagnosis, helps people with HIV live longer and healthier lives, and it prevents the spread of HIV. Yet, only 1 in 4 of the 1.1 million Americans living with HIV have an undetectable viral load. This means the virus is at a level that provides maximum health benefits and reduces the risk of transmitting the virus to others.

    “Today, not only can HIV treatment save lives, it can help stop a national epidemic in its tracks,” said Jonathan Mermin, M.D., M.P.H., director of CDC’s National Center for HIV/AIDS, Viral Hepatitis, STD and TB Prevention. “Our goal is to help everyone with HIV know the tremendous health benefits treatment offers to them and the protection it provides to their partners.”

    In addition to the positive impact it can have on a person’s health and well-being, people who start and continue treatment are 96 percent less likely to transmit HIV to others. Treatment for health and prevention is a key element in CDC’s HIV prevention toolkit.

    Developed with the input of more than 100 HIV-positive men and women, HIV Treatment Works reflects the diversity of people living with HIV and shows how treatment and care empowers people to lead full and healthier lives, and stops the spread of HIV. The campaign includes personal stories about how the participants overcame barriers to care and treatment and provides advice for others living with HIV.

    Components of the campaign include online, print, TV, and outdoor ads. Additionally, the campaign includes social media outreach and a dedicated website with information and resources for people living with HIV. The campaign will initially be promoted at upcoming community events in Atlanta, Miami, and Washington, DC.

    “It wasn’t easy finding out I had HIV, but deciding to start and stick to my treatment has helped me live a happier, healthier life,” said Aaron Laxton, who appears in the campaign ads. “The idea of starting treatment can be daunting, but it’s important to remember you aren’t alone - and that by taking HIV medication every day and seeing your doctor regularly, you can stay healthy and keep doing the things you love.”

    HIV Treatment Works is the latest campaign of CDC’s Act Against AIDS initiative, a national communication campaign to combat complacency about HIV in the United States. The campaign also advances the National HIV/AIDS Strategy, which includes decreasing the number of new infections, reducing stigma and discrimination against people living with HIV, and educating Americans about the threat of HIV and how to prevent it. Other Act Against AIDS efforts include Start Talking. Stop HIV. for gay and bisexual men of all races, Reasons/Razones targeting Latino gay and bisexual men, and Take Charge. Take the Test. for African American women. "

    Deal with it as you, as an individual, would like. But to characterize me or any GROUP as being this awful monster trying to contaminate YOU is paranoid. Slut Shaming is ignorant. People have "called me out", like you to only show their stigma, hatred and prejudice.
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    Sep 22, 2014 12:00 AM GMT


    Oh calling you a Puritan is "dissing" you....oh my apologies!

    "....spreading misinformation to folks out there or anybody who can be reading this forum for your self interest."

    That's a lie, and dissing me! I present scientific information, from many studies. All with the same results. That is NOT misinformation. The misinformation is from you, Art Deco, xavier and several more, who want to to characterize any HIV person as an immediate danger if they don't conform to their rule book.

    The latest is from the CDC. Wednesday. Not some bull shit from 2010.
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    Sep 22, 2014 12:03 AM GMT
    ...."see how hard you're trying to flip it."

    Can you read? You can lead a horse to water, but you can;t make him think or drink.

    What is it I am flipping?
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    Sep 22, 2014 12:07 AM GMT
    "3. the lack of responsibility. there was an article on the advocate website where there was some guy who was BLAMING people that were slut shaming the reason why hiv was still high in the male gay population."

    Are you in favor of slut shaming? Tell me if it works. It goes on here all the time.

    I'm immune to it.
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    Sep 22, 2014 12:21 AM GMT
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    Oh calling you a Puritan is "dissing" you....oh my apologies!

    "....spreading misinformation to folks out there or anybody who can be reading this forum for your self interest."

    That's a lie, and dissing me! I present scientific information, from many studies. All with the same results. That is NOT misinformation. The misinformation is from you, Art Deco, xavier and several more, who want to to characterize any HIV person as an immediate danger if they don't conform to their rule book.

    The latest is from the CDC. Wednesday. Not some bull shit from 2010.



    the way the world is today, i can understand why anybody would NOT want to have bareback sex or promote sex safe, safe sex practices and etc. some people do, some people don't do it. that's on them. it's their life as long as they're willing to take responsibility for themselves and the person they fuck.

    it would be better to be safe than sorry though. that's the point. same thing with straight people. it doesn't matter.

    me personally, i'm a paranoid guy as it is so you know i'm NOT doing that unprotected sex shit when it comes time to do it. maybe down the road if i end up in a long term relationship where i trust and know my partner and vice versa, then yeah... okay. however, i seen and heard way too much crazy shit out here from people that done got sick, been tricked, duped or whatever and are fucked up. it's better to be safe than sorry.


    Of course it is. I used a condom Wednesday. It was his choice. I honored that.

    But it DOES matter when people ignore legitimate science. It's a legitimate method of risk reduction. Even worse when they shoot the messenger....and accuse him (ME!) of all sorts of vitriol and insanity. With a potential of reducing infections 96%....and making it out to be some plot to infect the innocent is ridiculous. Many people can benefit from this information.
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    Sep 22, 2014 12:25 AM GMT
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    timmm55 said"3. the lack of responsibility. there was an article on the advocate website where there was some guy who was BLAMING people that were slut shaming the reason why hiv was still high in the male gay population."

    Are you in favor of slut shaming? Tell me if it works. It goes on here all the time.

    I'm immune to it.


    the point i was making is that how does "slut shaming" have to do with someone not taking personal responsibility for themselves? that makes no sense.


    That sounds like a 180 from the first comment???
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    Sep 22, 2014 12:26 AM GMT
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    timmm55 saidWhere am I "virgin shaming"?

    Since "you're EXACTLY the type of person i'm talking about...."

    I'm going to be IN YOUR FACE. icon_lol.gif


    you called me a puritan, you idiot. icon_lol.gif


    I wouldn't bother with that psycho if I were you. He gambled with his life and lost and is now hell bent on ensuring others fall same as he did. He is a despicable wretch

    It is trite but true- misery loves company.