Read what this Christian pastor promises to do if his children are gay

  • metta

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    Sep 28, 2014 6:35 AM GMT
    Read what this Christian pastor promises to do if his children are gay

    A Christian pastor in North Carolina has been amazed by the reaction to one of his recent blog postings, in which he wrote about what his reaction would be if any of his children grew up and told him that they were gay



    http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/read-what-christian-pastor-promises-do-if-his-children-are-gay270914
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    Sep 29, 2014 4:13 PM GMT
    Sadly, it is rare for a sane voice to be heard from those whose faith would normally condemn any sexuality other than heterosexual.

    What this pastor did is incredible - not only did he make it obvious that his love for his children is more important than someone's opinions of them, but he phrased it in such a way to drive the point home for those who are parents - it is very likely that almost every parent, at some point, has gone through the situations he described. He took it from being a theoretical "what if" and tied it to the communal memories shared by nearly all parents.

    The *heinous* reactions of "parents" that have occasionally be captured in viral videos are not the reactions of "parents", no matter what they think they are. Progenitors, yes, but not parents, whose *first* job is supposed to be love their children unconditionally, no *matter* what someone else tells them (society, friends, religious leaders)

    I salute him for standing up for his beliefs, and *also* for showing that *true* Christianity, is what it always has been, first and foremost about love - no matter what the various denominations have twisted it into over the centuries.

    For those who don't share his faith - well, be glad that he will love his children anyway, no matter what the reasoning behind it. In the end, isn't that the only thing that matters?

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    Sep 29, 2014 4:48 PM GMT
    In late 1996, just before my Father died of terminal cancer, and my Mother already gone, my younger Sister told me all kinds of family history. Kind of passing along the legacy, I guess.

    And one of the things she said to me was: "Mom and Dad always knew you were gay."

    WHAT??? I never said to you I was gay, I just came out to myself last year.

    She just went on, matter-of-factly: That our parents had told her they had always known I was gay, and shared that concern with my Sister when I enlisted in the US Army at age 20. They were less concerned about the Vietcong killing me, as my fellow soldiers. WTF???

    She also told me what measures they had taken to try to "cure" me of my "phase", like hypnotism and other methods, that I remember, but were presented to me under other pretenses.

    But yah know, I had to love my parents at that moment. On the one hand I wondered why nobody ever told ME I was gay, cause I sure didn't realize it. But on the other, I was never abused about it, never punished, never penalized in any way. My parents always loved me. And this was 50 years ago. I gotta admire them. And this pastor.
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    Sep 29, 2014 10:47 PM GMT
    It's nice to see a Christian actually support his kids if they are gay. I've donated to a charity that helps kids that have been thrown out of their homes by homophobic parents. It's beyond horrible suffering when they have no one to turn too!
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    Sep 30, 2014 12:16 AM GMT
    Art_Deco saidIn late 1996, just before my Father died of terminal cancer, and my Mother already gone, my younger Sister told me all kinds of family history. Kind of passing along the legacy, I guess.

    And one of the things she said to me was: "Mom and Dad always knew you were gay."

    WHAT??? I never said to you I was gay, I just came out to myself last year.

    She just went on, matter-of-factly: That our parents had told her they had always known I was gay, and shared that concern with my Sister when I enlisted in the US Army at age 20. They were less concerned about the Vietcong killing me, as my fellow soldiers. WTF???

    She also told me what measures they had taken to try to "cure" me of my "phase", like hypnotism and other methods, that I remember, but were presented to me under other pretenses.

    But yah know, I had to love my parents at that moment. On the one hand I wondered why nobody ever told ME I was gay, cause I sure didn't realize it. But on the other, I was never abused about it, never punished, never penalized in any way. My parents always loved me. And this was 50 years ago. I gotta admire them. And this pastor.


    I know you and I discussed this and related topics on the phone last night for hours, but when I came out during 1969 and 1970, I came way out to everyone, but my parents. Thanks to my little brother's great big mouth (when he got high) that secret didn't last long.

    However, all those years that they knew and I knew they knew, never a word of criticism about that. Now there was a bunch of criticism regarding my thing for cars and racing, and this went on up to the days before my dad passed, but never about this. I'm quite sure my brother told everyone he could throughout all those years, but never a word from anyone.
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    Sep 30, 2014 5:18 AM GMT
    Good for this pastor. There are more needed like him. He must be a pastor who has Presbyterian roots in his past simply because he uses his intelligence in his responses in the article as opposed to religious knee-jerked emotional hate-based responses towards the reality of gay people in the world. That's very rare among most Protestant Christians in America. The only issue I have with any of his responses, as I read the article about him, is his description of gay people when they reveal themselves to him as "hurt, wounded," or something I read in the article. He has to come to terms with the fact that all gay people are not just wounded hurt people because this implies that this hurt and wounded-ness led to them being gay. But that's a discussion for another time. I'm thankful to God that there is at least one pastor who can at least acknowledge that he will try to do what Jesus actually taught: love people for who they are. Hoorays for this guy!
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    Sep 30, 2014 6:28 AM GMT
    sportsjockla saidIt's nice to see a Christian actually support his kids if they are gay. I've donated to a charity that helps kids that have been thrown out of their homes by homophobic parents. It's beyond horrible suffering when they have no one to turn too!


    Shunning / isolation is considered a devastating treatment, and..it's outlawed by The Geneva Convention, but, is common practice in America prisons (where we have the highest incarceration rate per capita in The World), an is part and parcel of the the shunning / conformist theory used by false belief systems, cults to manipulate folks into their line of thinking.

    It's horrible on the human brain.

    False belief systems / religion / cults remain a clear and present danger to us all.

    Education that false belief systems are false is crucial in next steps in advancing our species. Truth based belief systems are much better idea.

    So folks have such low self acceptance, it's clearly bordering on mental illness. We see it here with pictureless / profiless..unfounded paranoia / being neurotic based around false belief systems.

    My next door neighbor is 43, gay, and a closet cases. Even after hours of talking he still won't tell me his name and give me a first name, last name, handshake and a smile.

    Ever visit a straight site? How many torso shots do you think you see? None. You see smiling faces. It's what well adjusted folks do. Only when folks have low self acceptance, low self esteem, or are cheating, are they picturless, in 2014.

    One friend said to me one day.."No one knows I'm gay." LOL...yeah, right.
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    Sep 30, 2014 6:58 AM GMT
    http://johnpavlovitz.com/2014/09/17/if-i-have-gay-children-four-promises-from-a-christian-pastorparent/#comment-8525

    Christians really need to study Astrology. There, they'd find that all people are not born with their North Node in the 7th house of partnerships, the house of the other, opposite the self. Astrology teaches the diversity of parental love for an amazing diversity of natal charts of babies born to them.

    Steefen
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    Sep 30, 2014 7:05 AM GMT
    The minister also wrote this on 9/15/2014:

    It’s the year anniversary of Day 1 in the Grief Valley.

    I really thought today would feel different.

    A year ago today, my father spent his 70th birthday departing on a West Coast cruise with my mother and other members of our family. He posed for the requisite sail-away photos, had a celebratory first night dinner, took a relaxing walk around the ship, went to bed… and never woke-up.

    In many ways I feel like I’m still sleeping too; still expecting to wake-up from all of this.
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    Oct 01, 2014 2:24 AM GMT
    chuckystud

    My next door neighbor is 43, gay, and a closet case. Even after hours of talking he still won't tell me his name and give me a first name, last name, handshake and a smile.


    StephenOABC

    You and your neighbor don't have to go far to see Fort God (Prestonwood Baptist Church). From the outside, it looks like God has landed for a close encounter.

    Correction, you're not in Austin Ranch, you're in the Colony; so, no, Prestonwood is a bit far from there.

    The culture in North Texas can be absolutely dangerous for ANY hint of anything but a heterosexual Christian with a wedding ring on his finger who goes to Bible Study Friday mornings before going to work.

    People in his work community may be Baptist.

    Now, the Methodists, at least Highland Park United Methodist Church had a sign up last Sunday saying it was a Welcoming community. That should help some people come out of the closet.
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    Oct 03, 2014 2:48 AM GMT
    I just googled United Methodist Churches in Manhattan.

    Here's another cultural difference between Manhattan and the Dallas-Plano area: there are more UMC churches in Dallas-to-Plano than in Manhattan.

    I wondered what it was that Dallas has so many UMC's and Manhattan only has two below 96th Street.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Oct 03, 2014 11:35 PM GMT

    There definitely needs to be more pastors like this guy from North Carolina who will accept their children regardless of their natural sexual orientation. If only more Christian pastors would speak out positively about gay children and gay people in general rather than all those self proclaimed Christian wingnuts who are a bunch of ignorant loudmouths.