Pro-gun Swiss Voters Reject State-Run Health Insurance

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    Sep 29, 2014 8:17 PM GMT
    http://www.businessinsider.com/afp-swiss-voters-reject-shift-to-state-run-health-insurance-2014-9

    Swiss voters on Sunday rejected a plan to ditch the country's all-private health insurance system and create a state-run scheme, exit polls showed.

    Some 64 percent of the electorate shot down a plan pushed by left-leaning parties who say the current system is busting the budgets of ordinary residents, figures from polling agency gfs.bern showed.

    Going public would have been a seismic shift for a country whose health system is often hailed abroad as a model of efficiency, but is a growing source of frustration at home because of soaring costs.

    "Over the past 20 years in Switzerland, health costs have grown 80 percent and insurance premiums 125 percent," ophthalmologist Michel Matter told AFP.

    "This is not possible anymore. It has to change," said Matter, who heads the Geneva Physicians Association, which backs calls to scrap the current system.

    Campaigners who championed the push for a state-held insurance scheme have said it is the only way to rein in rising premiums and guarantee they are used efficiently and transparently.

    Sunday's referendum came after reformers mustered more than the 100,000 signatures required to hold a popular vote, a regular feature of Switzerland's direct democracy.

    The rejection of the plan by nearly two-thirds of voters is a major blow for pro-reform campaigners, given that recent polls had shown the No vote was likely to be 54 percent.
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    Sep 29, 2014 9:06 PM GMT
    The Swiss system has its flaws, but it also proves that you can have for-profit health insurance and health care and STILL make health care access universal.
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    Sep 29, 2014 9:15 PM GMT
    I'm confused. Where do guns fit into this equation, other than to prove the Swiss tend to be quite conservative?

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    Sep 29, 2014 9:24 PM GMT
    Let's privatize EVERYTHING, offer nothing to our fellow man, and revert to a capitalistic "state of nature." Not like I'm my brother's keeper or anything that Jesus guy said. I never believed the myth of hungry or starving people. If they were hungry or starving, they'd have died within a month. And people only send their kid to public school instead of paying for private school because they're greedy and want extra European vacations. In fact, I heard the other day that Obama gave everyone a free iPhone 6. I can't substantiate any of this, but everyone at the Country Club says the same thing, so it must be true. Nobody needs help, and we should have an unregulated pay-for-play and pay-as-you-go system. Anything less is socialism.

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    Sep 30, 2014 12:07 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Svnw688 saidLet's privatize EVERYTHING, offer nothing to our fellow man, and revert to a capitalistic "state of nature." Not like I'm my brother's keeper or anything that Jesus guy said. I never believed the myth of hungry or starving people. If they were hungry or starving, they'd have died within a month. And people only send their kid to public school instead of paying for private school because they're greedy and want extra European vacations. In fact, I heard the other day that Obama gave everyone a free iPhone 6. I can't substantiate any of this, but everyone at the Country Club says the same thing, so it must be true. Nobody needs help, and we should have an unregulated pay-for-play and pay-as-you-go system. Anything less is socialism.


    Wow, another gay leftist. Shocker! icon_eek.gif


    It's true, I am a gay leftist. It's the direct and contemptible result of a self-acquired condition I contracted: literacy.

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    Sep 30, 2014 12:00 PM GMT
    libertpaulian saidThe Swiss system has its flaws, but it also proves that you can have for-profit health insurance and health care and STILL make health care access universal.


    What I find interesting is their concern over rising costs over the past 20 years... their percentages are not actually all that significant - and substantially less than government run systems globally.
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    Sep 30, 2014 4:44 PM GMT
    "Swiss voters on Sunday rejected a plan to ditch the country's all-private health insurance system and create a state-run scheme, exit polls showed."




    Yes, we the voters. What an interesting concept. We voters basically told the nut-ball left to "shove it up your ass." icon_cool.gif This is Switzerland, not the Socialist Republic of America.

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    Sep 30, 2014 4:51 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    libertpaulian saidThe Swiss system has its flaws, but it also proves that you can have for-profit health insurance and health care and STILL make health care access universal.


    What I find interesting is their concern over rising costs over the past 20 years... their percentages are not actually all that significant - and substantially less than government run systems globally.


    True, their numbers aren't objectionable now, but don't you see the numbers "trending" in an unsustainable manner? If nothing changes things will get out of hand--at an exponential rate.
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    Sep 30, 2014 8:31 PM GMT
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    libertpaulian saidThe Swiss system has its flaws, but it also proves that you can have for-profit health insurance and health care and STILL make health care access universal.


    What I find interesting is their concern over rising costs over the past 20 years... their percentages are not actually all that significant - and substantially less than government run systems globally.



    I just did some comparing. The above statement is false. Canada's, for example, did not go up that much over the last 20 years, nor did the premiums we pay in our Province (many other Provinces do not have a premium).
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    Oct 01, 2014 10:24 AM GMT
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    riddler78 said
    libertpaulian saidThe Swiss system has its flaws, but it also proves that you can have for-profit health insurance and health care and STILL make health care access universal.


    What I find interesting is their concern over rising costs over the past 20 years... their percentages are not actually all that significant - and substantially less than government run systems globally.



    I just did some comparing. The above statement is false. Canada's, for example, did not go up that much over the last 20 years, nor did the premiums we pay in our Province (many other Provinces do not have a premium).


    I often wonder what qualifies as research for you but you'd be incorrect.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_health_care_systems_in_Canada_and_the_United_States#mediaviewer/File:Total_health_expenditure_per_capita,_US_Dollars_PPP.png

    I'd say if you're looking at the same procedure you'll probably find that costs haven't increased significantly but the quality of healthcare has also gotten substantially better in many cases largely because of advances by... the US and their policies that encourage the subsidization of the rest of the world (which is why they should be allowing for reimportation of drugs).

    Some of that rise is also because of demographics, but that's also true for both Canada and Switzerland. That being said, the Swiss do have significantly better care by most metrics. An example here:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/michel-kellygagnon/switzerland-healthcare_b_1896852.html
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    Oct 01, 2014 8:00 PM GMT
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    Svnw688 saidLet's privatize EVERYTHING, offer nothing to our fellow man, and revert to a capitalistic "state of nature." Not like I'm my brother's keeper or anything that Jesus guy said. I never believed the myth of hungry or starving people. If they were hungry or starving, they'd have died within a month. And people only send their kid to public school instead of paying for private school because they're greedy and want extra European vacations. In fact, I heard the other day that Obama gave everyone a free iPhone 6. I can't substantiate any of this, but everyone at the Country Club says the same thing, so it must be true. Nobody needs help, and we should have an unregulated pay-for-play and pay-as-you-go system. Anything less is socialism.


    Wow, another gay leftist. Shocker! icon_eek.gif


    This is prize... coming from a repugnicant asshat!