When does it matter?

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    Oct 03, 2014 5:51 PM GMT
    Looking back through the past few years, many “Whens" pop up. Read them all to better understand where we are going as a country.
     
    WHEN - he refused to disclose who donated money to his election campaign, as other candidates had done, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN -he received endorsements from people like Louis Farrakhan, Muramar Kaddafi and Hugo Chavez, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN -it was pointed out that he was a total newcomer and had absolutely no experience at anything except community organizing, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN -he chose friends and acquaintances such as Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn who were revolutionary radicals, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN -his voting record in the Illinois Senate and in the U.S. Senate came into question, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN -he refused to wear a flag lapel pin and did so only after a public outcry, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN -people started treating him as a Messiah and children in schools were taught to sing his praises, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN -he stood with his hands over his groin area for the playing of the National Anthem and Pledge of Allegiance, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN -he surrounded himself in the White House with advisors who were pro-gun control, wanting to curtail freedom of speech to silence the opposition, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN -he said he favors sex education in kindergarten, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN -his personal background was either scrubbed or hidden and nothing could be found about him, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN -the place of his birth was called into question, and he refused to produce a birth certificate, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN -he had an association in Chicago with Tony Rezko- a man of questionable character and who is now in prison and had helped Obama to a sweet deal on the purchase of his home - people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN -it became known that George Soros, a multi-billionaire Marxist, spent a ton of money to get him elected, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN -he started appointing White House Czars that were radicals, revolutionaries, and even avowed Marxist /Communists, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN - he stood before the Nation and told us that his intentions were to “fundamentally transform this Nation” into something else, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN - it became known that he had trained ACORN workers in Chicago and served as an attorney for ACORN, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN - he appointed cabinet members and several advisers who were tax cheats and socialists, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN - he appointed a Science Czar, John Holdren, who believes in forced abortions, mass sterilizations and seizing babies from teen mothers, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN - he appointed Cass Sunstein as Regulatory Czar who believes in “Explicit Consent,” harvesting human organs without family consent and allowing animals to be represented in court, while banning all hunting, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN - he appointed Mark Lloyd as Diversity Czar who believes in curtailing free speech, taking from one and giving to another to spread the wealth, who supports Hugo Chavez, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN -Valerie Jarrett, an avowed Socialist, was selected as Obama’s Senior White House Advisor, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN -Anita Dunn, White House Communications Director, said Mao Tse Tung was her favorite philosopher and the person she turned to  most for inspiration, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN - he appointed Carol Browner, a well-known socialist as Global Warming Czar working on Cap and Trade as the nation's largest tax, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN - he appointed Van Jones, an ex-con and avowed Communist as Green Energy Czar, who since had to resign when this was made known, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN- Tom Daschle, Obama’s pick for Health and Human Services Secretary could not be confirmed because he was a tax cheat, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN - as President of the United States, he bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN - he traveled around the world criticizing America and never once talking of her greatness, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN - his actions concerning the Middle East seemed to support the Palestinians over Israel, our longtime ally, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN - he took American tax dollars to resettle thousands of Palestinians from Gaza to the United States, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN - he upset the Europeans by removing plans for missile defense system against the Russians, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN - he played politics in Afghanistan by not sending troops early-on when the Field Commanders said they were necessary to win, people said it didn't matter.
    WHEN - he started spending us into a debt that was so big we could not pay it off, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN - he took a huge spending bill under the guise of stimulus and used it to pay off organizations, unions, and individuals that got him elected, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN - he took over insurance companies, car companies, banks, etc., people said it didn’t matter.
    WHEN - he took away student loans from the banks and put it through the government, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN - he designed plans to take over the health care system and put it under government control, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN - he claimed he was a Christian during the election and tapes were later made public that showed Obama speaking to a Muslim group and ‘stating’ that he was raised a Muslim, was educated as a Muslim, and is still a Muslim, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN -he set into motion a plan to take over the control of all energy in the United States through Cap and Trade, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN – he traded 5 terrorists in Gitmo for 1 deserter/“possible” traitor without consulting Congress, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN-he finally completed his transformation of America into a Socialist State, people woke up— but it was too late. Add these up one by one and you get a score that points to the fact that Barrack Hussein Obama is determined to turn America into a Marxist-Socialist society. All of the items in the preceding paragraphs have been put into place. All can be documented very easily.
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    Oct 03, 2014 8:03 PM GMT
    Obama is out to lunch.

    He's so bad, he can't even keep himself safe. It's fallen on Republicans and conservatives to keep his sorry ass safe from nutjobs running into the WH.

  • mybud

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    Oct 03, 2014 9:40 PM GMT
    Jack_NNJ saidObama is out to lunch.

    He's so bad, he can't even keep himself safe. It's fallen on Republicans and conservatives to keep his sorry ass safe from nutjobs running into the WH.



    Listen up ass wipe..It's the secret service's responsibility to protect the president. Those "republicans ans conservatives" you claim are protecting the president presently, would dance on his grave if he were killed. Got a suggestion for ya, stay away from laxatives..you need that last brain cell to feed yourself...My jobs done here....Awe fuck bye.
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    Oct 04, 2014 1:22 AM GMT
    socalfitness saidLooking back through the past few years, many “Whens" pop up. Read them all to better understand where we are going as a country.
     
    WHEN - he refused to disclose who donated money to his election campaign, as other candidates had done, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN -he received endorsements from people like Louis Farrakhan, Muramar Kaddafi and Hugo Chavez, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN -it was pointed out that he was a total newcomer and had absolutely no experience at anything except community organizing, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN -he chose friends and acquaintances such as Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn who were revolutionary radicals, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN -his voting record in the Illinois Senate and in the U.S. Senate came into question, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN -he refused to wear a flag lapel pin and did so only after a public outcry, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN -people started treating him as a Messiah and children in schools were taught to sing his praises, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN -he stood with his hands over his groin area for the playing of the National Anthem and Pledge of Allegiance, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN -he surrounded himself in the White House with advisors who were pro-gun control, wanting to curtail freedom of speech to silence the opposition, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN -he said he favors sex education in kindergarten, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN -his personal background was either scrubbed or hidden and nothing could be found about him, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN -the place of his birth was called into question, and he refused to produce a birth certificate, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN -he had an association in Chicago with Tony Rezko- a man of questionable character and who is now in prison and had helped Obama to a sweet deal on the purchase of his home - people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN -it became known that George Soros, a multi-billionaire Marxist, spent a ton of money to get him elected, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN -he started appointing White House Czars that were radicals, revolutionaries, and even avowed Marxist /Communists, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN - he stood before the Nation and told us that his intentions were to “fundamentally transform this Nation” into something else, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN - it became known that he had trained ACORN workers in Chicago and served as an attorney for ACORN, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN - he appointed cabinet members and several advisers who were tax cheats and socialists, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN - he appointed a Science Czar, John Holdren, who believes in forced abortions, mass sterilizations and seizing babies from teen mothers, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN - he appointed Cass Sunstein as Regulatory Czar who believes in “Explicit Consent,” harvesting human organs without family consent and allowing animals to be represented in court, while banning all hunting, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN - he appointed Mark Lloyd as Diversity Czar who believes in curtailing free speech, taking from one and giving to another to spread the wealth, who supports Hugo Chavez, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN -Valerie Jarrett, an avowed Socialist, was selected as Obama’s Senior White House Advisor, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN -Anita Dunn, White House Communications Director, said Mao Tse Tung was her favorite philosopher and the person she turned to  most for inspiration, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN - he appointed Carol Browner, a well-known socialist as Global Warming Czar working on Cap and Trade as the nation's largest tax, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN - he appointed Van Jones, an ex-con and avowed Communist as Green Energy Czar, who since had to resign when this was made known, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN- Tom Daschle, Obama’s pick for Health and Human Services Secretary could not be confirmed because he was a tax cheat, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN - as President of the United States, he bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN - he traveled around the world criticizing America and never once talking of her greatness, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN - his actions concerning the Middle East seemed to support the Palestinians over Israel, our longtime ally, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN - he took American tax dollars to resettle thousands of Palestinians from Gaza to the United States, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN - he upset the Europeans by removing plans for missile defense system against the Russians, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN - he played politics in Afghanistan by not sending troops early-on when the Field Commanders said they were necessary to win, people said it didn't matter.
    WHEN - he started spending us into a debt that was so big we could not pay it off, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN - he took a huge spending bill under the guise of stimulus and used it to pay off organizations, unions, and individuals that got him elected, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN - he took over insurance companies, car companies, banks, etc., people said it didn’t matter.
    WHEN - he took away student loans from the banks and put it through the government, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN - he designed plans to take over the health care system and put it under government control, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN - he claimed he was a Christian during the election and tapes were later made public that showed Obama speaking to a Muslim group and ‘stating’ that he was raised a Muslim, was educated as a Muslim, and is still a Muslim, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN -he set into motion a plan to take over the control of all energy in the United States through Cap and Trade, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN – he traded 5 terrorists in Gitmo for 1 deserter/“possible” traitor without consulting Congress, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN-he finally completed his transformation of America into a Socialist State, people woke up— but it was too late. Add these up one by one and you get a score that points to the fact that Barrack Hussein Obama is determined to turn America into a Marxist-Socialist society. All of the items in the preceding paragraphs have been put into place. All can be documented very easily.


    WOW, you've been saving up.
    You don't seem comfortable with Obama as your president.
    What are you going to do about it?
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    Oct 04, 2014 5:26 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidLooking back through the past few years, many “Whens" pop up. Read them all to better understand where we are going as a country.
     
    WHEN - he refused to disclose who donated money to his election campaign, as other candidates had done, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN -he received endorsements from people like Louis Farrakhan, Muramar Kaddafi and Hugo Chavez, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN -it was pointed out that he was a total newcomer and had absolutely no experience at anything except community organizing, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN -he chose friends and acquaintances such as Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn who were revolutionary radicals, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN -his voting record in the Illinois Senate and in the U.S. Senate came into question, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN -he refused to wear a flag lapel pin and did so only after a public outcry, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN -people started treating him as a Messiah and children in schools were taught to sing his praises, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN -he stood with his hands over his groin area for the playing of the National Anthem and Pledge of Allegiance, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN -he surrounded himself in the White House with advisors who were pro-gun control, wanting to curtail freedom of speech to silence the opposition, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN -he said he favors sex education in kindergarten, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN -his personal background was either scrubbed or hidden and nothing could be found about him, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN -the place of his birth was called into question, and he refused to produce a birth certificate, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN -he had an association in Chicago with Tony Rezko- a man of questionable character and who is now in prison and had helped Obama to a sweet deal on the purchase of his home - people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN -it became known that George Soros, a multi-billionaire Marxist, spent a ton of money to get him elected, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN -he started appointing White House Czars that were radicals, revolutionaries, and even avowed Marxist /Communists, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN - he stood before the Nation and told us that his intentions were to “fundamentally transform this Nation” into something else, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN - it became known that he had trained ACORN workers in Chicago and served as an attorney for ACORN, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN - he appointed cabinet members and several advisers who were tax cheats and socialists, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN - he appointed a Science Czar, John Holdren, who believes in forced abortions, mass sterilizations and seizing babies from teen mothers, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN - he appointed Cass Sunstein as Regulatory Czar who believes in “Explicit Consent,” harvesting human organs without family consent and allowing animals to be represented in court, while banning all hunting, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN - he appointed Mark Lloyd as Diversity Czar who believes in curtailing free speech, taking from one and giving to another to spread the wealth, who supports Hugo Chavez, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN -Valerie Jarrett, an avowed Socialist, was selected as Obama’s Senior White House Advisor, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN -Anita Dunn, White House Communications Director, said Mao Tse Tung was her favorite philosopher and the person she turned to  most for inspiration, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN - he appointed Carol Browner, a well-known socialist as Global Warming Czar working on Cap and Trade as the nation's largest tax, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN - he appointed Van Jones, an ex-con and avowed Communist as Green Energy Czar, who since had to resign when this was made known, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN- Tom Daschle, Obama’s pick for Health and Human Services Secretary could not be confirmed because he was a tax cheat, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN - as President of the United States, he bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN - he traveled around the world criticizing America and never once talking of her greatness, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN - his actions concerning the Middle East seemed to support the Palestinians over Israel, our longtime ally, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN - he took American tax dollars to resettle thousands of Palestinians from Gaza to the United States, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN - he upset the Europeans by removing plans for missile defense system against the Russians, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN - he played politics in Afghanistan by not sending troops early-on when the Field Commanders said they were necessary to win, people said it didn't matter.
    WHEN - he started spending us into a debt that was so big we could not pay it off, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN - he took a huge spending bill under the guise of stimulus and used it to pay off organizations, unions, and individuals that got him elected, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN - he took over insurance companies, car companies, banks, etc., people said it didn’t matter.
    WHEN - he took away student loans from the banks and put it through the government, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN - he designed plans to take over the health care system and put it under government control, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN - he claimed he was a Christian during the election and tapes were later made public that showed Obama speaking to a Muslim group and ‘stating’ that he was raised a Muslim, was educated as a Muslim, and is still a Muslim, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN -he set into motion a plan to take over the control of all energy in the United States through Cap and Trade, people said it didn't matter.
     
    WHEN – he traded 5 terrorists in Gitmo for 1 deserter/“possible” traitor without consulting Congress, people said it didn’t matter.
     
    WHEN-he finally completed his transformation of America into a Socialist State, people woke up— but it was too late. Add these up one by one and you get a score that points to the fact that Barrack Hussein Obama is determined to turn America into a Marxist-Socialist society. All of the items in the preceding paragraphs have been put into place. All can be documented very easily..

    WHEN - he refused to disclose who donated money to his election campaign, as other candidates had done, people said it didn’t matter.

    WHEN -he received endorsements from people like Louis Farrakhan, Muramar Kaddafi and Hugo Chavez, people said it didn’t matter.

    WHEN -it was pointed out that he was a total newcomer and had absolutely no experience at anything except community organizing, people said it didn't matter.

    WHEN -he chose friends and acquaintances such as Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn who were revolutionary radicals, people said it didn’t matter.

    WHEN -his voting record in the Illinois Senate and in the U.S. Senate came into question, people said it didn’t matter.

    WHEN -he refused to wear a flag lapel pin and did so only after a public outcry, people said it didn’t matter.

    WHEN -people started treating him as a Messiah and children in schools were taught to sing his praises, people said it didn’t matter.

    WHEN -he stood with his hands over his groin area for the playing of the National Anthem and Pledge of Allegiance, people said it didn't matter.

    WHEN -he surrounded himself in the White House with advisors who were pro-gun control, wanting to curtail freedom of speech to silence the opposition, people said it didn't matter.

    WHEN -he said he favors sex education in kindergarten, people said it didn't matter.

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  • Apparition

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    Oct 05, 2014 2:50 AM GMT
    DOW stock market chart for bush and obama years10365746_10152717158840115_6142484696997

    When in politics there is pretty much only ONE thing that matters to the puppet masters that dictate to BOTH parties what to do. Show me the money. bush just had 8 years and blew it. obama started in the hole and pretty much is NAILING it for the puppet masters pretty consistently. Pretty much ANY ceo would get pretty big bonuses with those kind of numbers.

    Now if you say it is all going to the 1% so it isnt good (as a republican) so obama isnt doing so well...then you can't complain if he wants to tax some of the windfall profits and give to the poor. you cant have it both ways. Either bush was a total loser and obama is financially an unstoppable financial genius, or since they are all total losers compared to clintons "surplus" (which i would be inclinded to say) you are just wrong about the conservatives doing a good job.

    sure the house and senate have their say, but a president can veto every single bill if he wants to, so it is ultimately completely dependent on him.
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    Oct 05, 2014 2:58 AM GMT
    WHEN- he said that Beyonce's last album was going to be a smash hit he got that right.
    Why can't you give the man credit?

    WHEN- he said that curling was never going to be as big as basketball, well, we don't know about that yet but I'm betting on basketball.

    WHEN- he can make someone make a crazy list, he's winning, not you.
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    Oct 05, 2014 3:02 AM GMT
    To those who believe Dow Jones is an accurate reflection of the economy here is some reading for you:
    http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/09/obamas_economy_the_djia_or_reality.html?print=1
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    Oct 05, 2014 3:04 AM GMT
    Apparition saidDOW stock market chart for bush and obama years10365746_10152717158840115_6142484696997

    When in politics there is pretty much only ONE thing that matters to the puppet masters that dictate to BOTH parties what to do. Show me the money. bush just had 8 years and blew it. obama started in the hole and pretty much is NAILING it for the puppet masters pretty consistently. Pretty much ANY ceo would get pretty big bonuses with those kind of numbers.

    Now if you say it is all going to the 1% so it isnt good (as a republican) so obama isnt doing so well...then you can't complain if he wants to tax some of the windfall profits and give to the poor. you cant have it both ways. Either bush was a total loser and obama is financially an unstoppable financial genius, or since they are all total losers compared to clintons "surplus" (which i would be inclinded to say) you are just wrong about the conservatives doing a good job.

    sure the house and senate have their say, but a president can veto every single bill if he wants to, so it is ultimately completely dependent on him.


    Posts such as the above might come in real handy by the end of Obama's two terms. Keep talking.
  • jaroslav123

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    Oct 05, 2014 12:24 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    Apparition saidDOW stock market chart for bush and obama years10365746_10152717158840115_6142484696997

    When in politics there is pretty much only ONE thing that matters to the puppet masters that dictate to BOTH parties what to do. Show me the money. bush just had 8 years and blew it. obama started in the hole and pretty much is NAILING it for the puppet masters pretty consistently. Pretty much ANY ceo would get pretty big bonuses with those kind of numbers.

    Now if you say it is all going to the 1% so it isnt good (as a republican) so obama isnt doing so well...then you can't complain if he wants to tax some of the windfall profits and give to the poor. you cant have it both ways. Either bush was a total loser and obama is financially an unstoppable financial genius, or since they are all total losers compared to clintons "surplus" (which i would be inclinded to say) you are just wrong about the conservatives doing a good job.

    sure the house and senate have their say, but a president can veto every single bill if he wants to, so it is ultimately completely dependent on him.


    Posts such as the above might come in real handy by the end of Obama's two terms. Keep talking.


    People post these kind of things to prove that Obama is a great economist or to prove that he's a shit economist.

    Whilst the statement "You can't argue with facts" is always true, you can argue with how they're used.

    Quite a lot of stats are taken out of context or pollsters ask specific questions in such a way to ensure that they get the answers that they want to thus support their own political agenda.

    Politics is fundamentally a nasty game where the truth gets raped on a daily basis and stats aren't stats but are merely extra words to add to your rhetorical spin.
  • mybud

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    Oct 05, 2014 5:11 PM GMT
    The unemployment rate is 5.9%...the dow is at about 13000..thread end.
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    Oct 05, 2014 6:47 PM GMT
    The real impact of the Obama economy is in the thread link below. Also note that the increased jobs are generally low-paying and part time. The median family income has declined during Obama's years in office.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3925598

    But as the OP indicates, much of the tragedy of this administration is not only economic.
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    Oct 05, 2014 9:41 PM GMT
    mybud saidThe unemployment rate is 5.9%...the dow is at about 13000..thread end.


    Update:

    Dow Jones Industrial Average
    Dow Jones Indices: .DJI - Oct 3 4:28 PM ET
    17,009.69