LGBT groups receive National Park Service grants

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    Oct 05, 2014 6:38 AM GMT
    LGBT groups receive National Park Service grants

    http://www.washingtonblade.com/2014/10/03/lgbt-groups-receive-national-park-service-grants/
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    Oct 05, 2014 4:31 PM GMT
    Sorry to be a naysayer, but this money would be better spent elsewhere, if not used to reduce the deficit. I object to any use of tax monies to benefit one specific group and just because "everyone does it" is no reason for us to. Whatever happened to groups paying for their own monuments? Lord knows HRC, Lambda, NGLTF and others are flush w/ cash. And, we can do w/o the cliches of political rectitude. "Storytelling through place?" "Share more deeply the stories of underrepresented groups?" Who writes this stuff, the Duke liberal arts faculty? Please! This is nothing more than political payola, if not blood money for the unnecessary and totally preventable murder of our gay ambassador in Libya two years ago, about which the above named groups remain mum as a mouse.
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    Oct 05, 2014 8:00 PM GMT
    After generations of being systematically denigrated by our own government through oppressive laws and encouragements against us, how terrifically honoring that our government would bestow even such a minimal grant to help preserve not just the structure but the dignity upon places held holy in history by the gay community.

    Though reading it was the Park Service, of course I first thought that meant they were gonna spruce up the Ramble

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    Oct 05, 2014 9:32 PM GMT
    theantijock saidAfter generations of being systematically denigrated by our own government through oppressive laws and encouragements against us, how terrifically honoring that our government would bestow even such a minimal grant to help preserve not just the structure but the dignity upon places held holy in history by the gay community.

    Though reading it was the Park Service, of course I first thought that meant they were gonna spruce up the Ramble

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    What holiness is there in memorializing a glory hole, which is, in essence, what some of these places are? Shall DC's P St. Beach be our next hallowed ground? How about SF's Buena Vista Park, where illicit public sex - and AIDS - ran rampant through the '80s? What's next, honoring some forlorn interstate rest stop on I-80 in NE just to make our presence known, much as a dog might pee on a tree?

    Sorry, some gay individuals may consider such honors overdue, but to say "the gay community" - whatever that is - does is a stretch.
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    Oct 05, 2014 9:32 PM GMT
    More pork to balloon the budget deficit and buy votes before the election.

    From Greta:

    Tell me why our government has spent more than $2 million to conduct a study about the benefits of elderly adults joining community choirs. Yes, the National Institute of Health is financing the five-year project, recruiting a group of 450 diverse older adults to join choirs at San Francisco Senior Centers, so they can study them.

    I'm all for elderly citizens getting out, staying busy, but I don't need the study. I don't need a $2 million dollar study to tell me it's good for them and neither do you. Because it's just common sense. It's not common sense to conduct studies to prove the obvious.

    If the federal government really wanted to help elderly people, great, do it. Create activity centers or something like that. Just no $2 million studies that just make guinea pigs out of elderly people.
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    Oct 06, 2014 2:50 AM GMT
    Preserving history is not revising it.

    I don't know that Stonewall was a backroom bar with a glory hole but so fucking what if it was. We are not ashamed of enjoying sex with each other.

    Even the Ramble, fabled gay cruising ground, sex in the bushes, so fucking what. Absolutely that should be preserved and honored as a holy place of sanctuary where gay men were able to meet up with each other outside the wrongful, judgmental horseshit of hetero-hegemony.

    Our finding alternative ways of meeting each other in an oppressive society is not our shame.

    Anyone who tries to claim it so should go fuck themselves.
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    Oct 06, 2014 3:00 AM GMT
    MGINSD said
    theantijock saidAfter generations of being systematically denigrated by our own government through oppressive laws and encouragements against us, how terrifically honoring that our government would bestow even such a minimal grant to help preserve not just the structure but the dignity upon places held holy in history by the gay community.

    Though reading it was the Park Service, of course I first thought that meant they were gonna spruce up the Ramble

    197395194_b9c3d80a4d_m.jpg


    What holiness is there in memorializing a glory hole, which is, in essence, what some of these places are?
    For several decades, the glory hole was our only recourse for being with other guys. I, for one, think it's a great apologetic symbol to receive a grant from the govt on our behalf.
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    Oct 06, 2014 2:26 PM GMT
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    MGINSD said
    theantijock saidAfter generations of being systematically denigrated by our own government through oppressive laws and encouragements against us, how terrifically honoring that our government would bestow even such a minimal grant to help preserve not just the structure but the dignity upon places held holy in history by the gay community.

    Though reading it was the Park Service, of course I first thought that meant they were gonna spruce up the Ramble

    197395194_b9c3d80a4d_m.jpg


    What holiness is there in memorializing a glory hole, which is, in essence, what some of these places are?
    For several decades, the glory hole was our only recourse for being with other guys. I, for one, think it's a great apologetic symbol to receive a grant from the govt on our behalf.


    I know that argument, but respectfully reject it, even if better put as, "for several decades, the glory hole was one of some/many [but hardly all] gay men's recourses for sexual contact with other men." Not all gay men are, or were, promiscuous to the point of engaging in anonymous sex, whether in glory holes or elsewhere. There IS such a thing as self-control, and I have no regrets about not asking for or acknowledging any "apologies." People are better positioned to offer apologies; governments, not so much, and not just because they're often made by governments that had nothing to do with the apologenic behavior in the first place.
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    Oct 06, 2014 8:34 PM GMT
    MGINSD said
    paulflexes said
    MGINSD said
    theantijock saidAfter generations of being systematically denigrated by our own government through oppressive laws and encouragements against us, how terrifically honoring that our government would bestow even such a minimal grant to help preserve not just the structure but the dignity upon places held holy in history by the gay community.

    Though reading it was the Park Service, of course I first thought that meant they were gonna spruce up the Ramble

    197395194_b9c3d80a4d_m.jpg


    What holiness is there in memorializing a glory hole, which is, in essence, what some of these places are?
    For several decades, the glory hole was our only recourse for being with other guys. I, for one, think it's a great apologetic symbol to receive a grant from the govt on our behalf.


    I know that argument, but respectfully reject it, even if better put as, "for several decades, the glory hole was one of some/many [but hardly all] gay men's recourses for sexual contact with other men." Not all gay men are, or were, hot enough to be successfully promiscuous to the point of engaging in anonymous sex, whether in glory holes or elsewhere. There IS such a thing as self-control being sexually undesired, and I have no regrets about not asking for or acknowledging any "apologies." People are better positioned to offer apologies; governments, not so much, and not just because they're often made by governments that had nothing to do with the apologenic innovative behavior in the first place.


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