What are the most effective and life-changing supplements?

  • infinitefrien...

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    Oct 05, 2014 11:07 AM GMT
    For general health, enhanced looks and fitness performance?

    Thank you!!
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    Oct 05, 2014 11:58 AM GMT
    Anabolic steroids
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    Oct 05, 2014 2:16 PM GMT
    Ohno saidAnabolic steroids
    lol! This!!!
  • iconoclast

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    Oct 05, 2014 3:59 PM GMT
    Caffeine and creatine are considered the only really effective ones, but the guys above are right, the effect of those two is nothing compared testosterone.
  • vhotti26

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    Oct 05, 2014 4:06 PM GMT
    Insulin is far more powerful than even steroids.
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    Oct 05, 2014 5:52 PM GMT
    you guys forgot about molly
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    Oct 05, 2014 5:54 PM GMT
    This thread contributes to nothing and If you are really into fitness, you can find tons of informations relevant to your question
  • FRE0

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    Oct 05, 2014 6:32 PM GMT
    Why not just have a good diet?
  • ASHDOD

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    Oct 05, 2014 7:30 PM GMT
    first start to work out, then after a year or too or more,ask thouse questions.
  • infinitefrien...

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    Oct 05, 2014 8:49 PM GMT
    vhotti26 saidInsulin is far more powerful than even steroids.


    Why would I use insulin?
  • infinitefrien...

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    Oct 05, 2014 8:50 PM GMT
    Ashdod saidfirst start to work out, then after a year or too or more,ask thouse questions.



    I've been working out over a year and a half...
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    Oct 05, 2014 9:07 PM GMT
    Zinc picolinate?

    Good for your immune system, muscle growth and hormones. Just don't over supplement, as it can be really toxic and push other minerals out of balance.
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    Oct 05, 2014 9:13 PM GMT
    Testosterone. It's natural. It works. The benefits to risks is extremely high. It promotes of sense of well being (increasing mental health), allows exercise recovery, promote good immunity (well know from years of study with HIV patients), is not toxic at any practical level, improves cognitive function, and prevents diseases of aging. Any geriatric doctor, cardiologist, or bodybuilder can speak about the reality of testosterone.

    It is by FAR the single most influential thing you can do to grow old gracefully, if you're a guy.
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    Oct 05, 2014 9:23 PM GMT
    vhotti26 saidInsulin is far more powerful than even steroids.


    Actually, true.

    Insulin is the shuttle hormone. Unlike AAS, you CAN overdose on insulin, and...if anyone is using it they should do it in a well informed way. (Of course, type 1 diabetics do just that, all day, every day.)

    Unlike AAS, insulin, if you don't know what you are doing...can kill you dead. Of course, so can Tylenol and smoking. But, you could drink 5 gallons of AAS, and be fine (might be a bit hopped up for a week or two...LOL).

    Reality is that most folks don't understand the role of nutrition. If you're underweight, eating once a day...your gains will be non-existent. EAT. No supplements required. Most stuff from any nutrition store amounts to snake oil.

    While insulin is part and parcel of high level bodybuilding, it should be used with EXTREME caution. I've know guys in their late 20's who over dosed on insulin...but, I know (there are millions of folks using insulin, safely, every day).

    DO YOUR RESEARCH.

    Item 1: EAT.

    Calories are your friends, and are a MUST if you wish to gain. No crap from the nutrition store required. It's snake oil.
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    Oct 05, 2014 9:24 PM GMT
    chuckystud saidTestosterone. It's natural. It works. The benefits to risks is extremely high. It promotes of sense of well being (increasing mental health), allows exercise recovery, promote good immunity (well know from years of study with HIV patients), is not toxic at any practical level, improves cognitive function, and prevents diseases of aging. Any geriatric doctor, cardiologist, or bodybuilder can speak about the reality of testosterone.

    It is by FAR the single most influential thing you can do to grow old gracefully, if you're a guy.


    also should be used correctly.
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    Oct 05, 2014 9:34 PM GMT
    FDA panel votes 20:1 to try to end "testosterone replacement therapy" .

    [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/18/health/testosterone-drugs-fda.html?module=Search&mabReward=relbias%3Ar%2C%7B%221%22%3A%22RI%3A7%22%7D[/url]


    Maybe they're just jealous that old guys are taking all their wimmin icon_surprised.gif
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    Oct 05, 2014 9:35 PM GMT
    Okajuurou said
    chuckystud saidTestosterone. It's natural. It works. The benefits to risks is extremely high. It promotes of sense of well being (increasing mental health), allows exercise recovery, promote good immunity (well know from years of study with HIV patients), is not toxic at any practical level, improves cognitive function, and prevents diseases of aging. Any geriatric doctor, cardiologist, or bodybuilder can speak about the reality of testosterone.

    It is by FAR the single most influential thing you can do to grow old gracefully, if you're a guy.


    also should be used correctly.


    You're an expert here? LOL.

    You sure don't look it.

    Anyway, education, and open discussion, are key in what amounts to using some powerful means to age slowly. Most medical literature is too conservative, because of the nature of our criminal justice system, studies on things like pot and AAS, aren't really allowed with Real World usage levels. Suffice it to say that you're at much greater danger of being injured by lighting that by AAS, even at high levels. Years of research with HIV patients has shown this to be true, and, of course, we see heart disease in bodybuilding like elsewhere, but, it's a lower rate than in the general population. Genetics plays a huge factor in heart disease. Personality a huge factor in hypertension.

    My cardio team (I have a group of folks from a well known organization) that guide me. Before my triple bypass they told me that body building was not the cause of my heart disease (in fact, it allowed me to catch, and proactively treat, my heart disease). They told me, two days after open heart surgery, that they wanted me to compete in The NPC in 2014. I did just that (got in competition shape). 1 month after the fact, my cardiologist said "Damn, look at you." My heart surgeon poked me in the chest and said, "You're SO built." 13 months from a triple bypass, thanks to an aggressive rehab program, I can take my heart rate to 115% of max for 20 minutes, and..my lipid panel is 134...all...unmedicated. There is sensationalism, and there's science. In my case, my medical crew knows the actual facts, and the science...and that's why they told me to compete again this past year. The call me one of their most exceptional patients ever...and... in fact...my doctors was so pleased that they offered to take the wire bundles (there are 4) out of my chest for free.

    I am prove positive if science, planning, nutrition, discipline, work ethic, and a sound support system. "Damn, look at you." (The pictures at the end of my profile are from AFTER the bypass).

    Feel free to google me. I'm Chuck Gudgel.

    Remember...save your money for real food. There's not much good for you at the "nutrition" place, except maybe whey protein.

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    Oct 06, 2014 3:47 AM GMT
    Shows you how little I know about such things. I'd have assumed that at the OP's age additional testosterone would've been the last thing he needed.
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    Oct 06, 2014 3:48 AM GMT
    As titled.
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    Oct 06, 2014 4:03 AM GMT
    Death.

    Not that it makes you healthier, look better, or perform better, but it certainly prevents you from giving a shit about any of that stuff anymore.
  • infinitefrien...

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    Oct 06, 2014 12:18 PM GMT
    eagermuscle saidShows you how little I know about such things. I'd have assumed that at the OP's age additional testosterone would've been the last thing he needed.



    I need more test, doc said I have low levels icon_sad.gif
  • LJay

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    Oct 06, 2014 3:44 PM GMT
    exercise, fresh air and sunshine, good food, good sleep and lots of fun sex
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    Oct 06, 2014 9:40 PM GMT
    chuckystud said
    Okajuurou said
    chuckystud saidTestosterone. It's natural. It works. The benefits to risks is extremely high. It promotes of sense of well being (increasing mental health), allows exercise recovery, promote good immunity (well know from years of study with HIV patients), is not toxic at any practical level, improves cognitive function, and prevents diseases of aging. Any geriatric doctor, cardiologist, or bodybuilder can speak about the reality of testosterone.

    It is by FAR the single most influential thing you can do to grow old gracefully, if you're a guy.


    also should be used correctly.


    You're an expert here? LOL.

    You sure don't look it.

    Anyway, education, and open discussion, are key in what amounts to using some powerful means to age slowly. Most medical literature is too conservative, because of the nature of our criminal justice system, studies on things like pot and AAS, aren't really allowed with Real World usage levels. Suffice it to say that you're at much greater danger of being injured by lighting that by AAS, even at high levels. Years of research with HIV patients has shown this to be true, and, of course, we see heart disease in bodybuilding like elsewhere, but, it's a lower rate than in the general population. Genetics plays a huge factor in heart disease. Personality a huge factor in hypertension.

    My cardio team (I have a group of folks from a well known organization) that guide me. Before my triple bypass they told me that body building was not the cause of my heart disease (in fact, it allowed me to catch, and proactively treat, my heart disease). They told me, two days after open heart surgery, that they wanted me to compete in The NPC in 2014. I did just that (got in competition shape). 1 month after the fact, my cardiologist said "Damn, look at you." My heart surgeon poked me in the chest and said, "You're SO built." 13 months from a triple bypass, thanks to an aggressive rehab program, I can take my heart rate to 115% of max for 20 minutes, and..my lipid panel is 134...all...unmedicated. There is sensationalism, and there's science. In my case, my medical crew knows the actual facts, and the science...and that's why they told me to compete again this past year. The call me one of their most exceptional patients ever...and... in fact...my doctors was so pleased that they offered to take the wire bundles (there are 4) out of my chest for free.

    I am prove positive if science, planning, nutrition, discipline, work ethic, and a sound support system. "Damn, look at you." (The pictures at the end of my profile are from AFTER the bypass).

    Feel free to google me. I'm Chuck Gudgel.

    Remember...save your money for real food. There's not much good for you at the "nutrition" place, except maybe whey protein.



    Lol why do you judge me by my looks? it's kinda upsetting.
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    Oct 07, 2014 6:15 AM GMT
    eagermuscle saidShows you how little I know about such things. I'd have assumed that at the OP's age additional testosterone would've been the last thing he needed.
    im on it but not enough to make any changes