NOM vows to ‘devote all our energy and resources’ to fight same-sex marriage

  • metta

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    Oct 07, 2014 1:08 AM GMT
    NOM vows to ‘devote all our energy and resources’ to fight same-sex marriage

    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2014/10/nom-vows-to-devote-all-our-energy-and-resources-to-fight-same-sex-marriage/
  • metta

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    Oct 07, 2014 1:11 AM GMT
    I say we tell them to put their money where their mouth is and put those 6 figure salaries that they pay themselves into their so called fight! Personally, I believe they are only in it for the money.
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    Oct 07, 2014 6:50 AM GMT
    As I have stated in the other thread, these bone headed people don't get it, they can not use the voting power to discriminate anymore, these people are really going to have a hard time, NOM is calling its tea party 6th circuit court to aid them, they no longer have any control and the parents SCOTUS will intervene anyway. ITS OVER, get a new life purpose.........try charity maybe


    The Supremes actual precedent (2013) in the case of gay marriage wasn't about gay marriage per se, it has been more about voter ballot initiatives that were used to discriminate against a minority using the US constitution as an excuse to do so. That IS the precedent. The subject matter, of gay marriage, is actually a secondary issue, which is why I believe SCOTUS has not yet said anything about the constitutional right to gay marriage. Good news though, through this voter precedent, the majority can no longer use voting against the constitutional rights of ANY minority. In this case, it has been religion, the majority, that has used the voting power of its people to discriminate against the minority, the LGBT community, and SCOTUS, said, no way José'..........whether or not gay marriage is a constitutional right, is a separate issue than the one before us. (voting)

  • roadbikeRob

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    Oct 07, 2014 12:53 PM GMT
    metta8 saidI say we tell them to put their money where their mouth is and put those 6 figure salaries that they pay themselves into their so called fight! Personally, I believe they are only in it for the money.
    They are in it for both the money and the publicity.
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    Oct 07, 2014 1:45 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    metta8 saidI say we tell them to put their money where their mouth is and put those 6 figure salaries that they pay themselves into their so called fight! Personally, I believe they are only in it for the money.

    They are in it for both the money and the publicity.

    +1
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    Oct 07, 2014 1:50 PM GMT
    Didn't she basically concede last year? I didn't even know she was still out there.
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    Oct 07, 2014 1:53 PM GMT
    scruffLA saidAs I have stated in the other thread, these bone headed people don't get it, they can not use the voting power to discriminate anymore, these people are really going to have a hard time, NOM is calling its tea party 6th circuit court to aid them, they no longer have any control and the parents SCOTUS will intervene anyway. ITS OVER, get a new life purpose.........try charity maybe

    What's galling is that these reactionaries complain about judges "legislating from the bench". Except when they seek to do exactly the same thing with court rulings to favor their own positions. And courts have been "legislating" in this way since the founding of the country.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Oct 07, 2014 1:59 PM GMT

    Most of these NARROW MINDED BIBLE THUMPING SCREWBALLS will never concede defeat until the very bitter end. Meanwhile more pressing socioeconomic issues in this country are being largely ignored because of these moronic motherfuckers wanting to make the US a theocratic dictatorship and return to the dark agesicon_mad.gif:
  • tazzari

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    Oct 07, 2014 6:12 PM GMT
    Brian Brown, fighting hard for his job...
  • FRE0

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    Oct 07, 2014 7:34 PM GMT
    The response of NOM is irrational and incorrect. It includes the following statement:

    "First, the entire idea that marriage can be redefined from the bench is illegitimate. Marriage is the union of one man and one woman; it has been this throughout the history of civilization and will remain this no matter what unelected judges say." [Emphasis mine]

    The definition of marriage obviously has not always been of one man and one woman. Anyone who has studied history, other religions, and the OT of the Bible, would be aware of that. Considering that less than 5% of the population would ever be interested in having a same-sex partner, it obviously is not a threat to anyone.

    The resources NOM plans to devote to opposing same-sex marriage would be better spent to feed the hungry, house the poor, etc. etc., which is mandated by the Bible which NOM claims to follow, but does not.
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    Oct 08, 2014 2:07 PM GMT
    NOWHERE does the Bible mention "gay marriage". The closest thing to "gay marriage" would be the love story of Jonathan and David.

    An organization that calls itself the "National Organization FOR Marriage" should be focusing its time calling for the criminalization of adultery and banning divorce....which are far bigger threats to the institution of marriage than gay marriage is. Since NOM doesn't focus on adultery and divorce....then it's hard to argue that NOM isn't a hate group hiding behind the Bible (erroneously as previously noted).
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    Oct 08, 2014 4:59 PM GMT
    Jockular saidNOWHERE does the Bible mention "gay marriage". The closest thing to "gay marriage" would be the love story of Jonathan and David.

    An organization that calls itself the "National Organization FOR Marriage" should be focusing its time calling for the criminalization of adultery and banning divorce....which are far bigger threats to the institution of marriage than gay marriage is. Since NOM doesn't focus on adultery and divorce....then it's hard to argue that NOM isn't a hate group hiding behind the Bible (erroneously as previously noted).


    Good points; however, just because something is or is not in the bible doesn't make it any more or less valid.

    There are many modern day concepts and ideas that do not appear in the Bible with which religion, religious leaders, and people of faith have to grapple. They are well within their right to determine whether such concepts and ideas are in keeping with their religious principles. They are not within their right to foist those concepts and ideas on others though laws and legislation simply because their religions approves or disapproves them, especially in the USA.

    Fine, your religion and beliefs do not approve same sex marriage. That's great but do not try to foist those beliefs on others. Your religion has a right to determines what is a valid marriage between its members and the state has the right to determine what is a valid marriage irrespective of what the myriads of religions have to say on the subject.
  • FRE0

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    Oct 08, 2014 7:22 PM GMT
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    Jockular saidNOWHERE does the Bible mention "gay marriage". The closest thing to "gay marriage" would be the love story of Jonathan and David.

    An organization that calls itself the "National Organization FOR Marriage" should be focusing its time calling for the criminalization of adultery and banning divorce....which are far bigger threats to the institution of marriage than gay marriage is. Since NOM doesn't focus on adultery and divorce....then it's hard to argue that NOM isn't a hate group hiding behind the Bible (erroneously as previously noted).


    Good points; however, just because something is or is not in the bible doesn't make it any more or less valid.

    There are many modern day concepts and ideas that do not appear in the Bible with which religion, religious leaders, and people of faith have to grapple. They are well within their right to determine whether such concepts and ideas are in keeping with their religious principles. They are not within their right to foist those concepts and ideas on others though laws and legislation simply because their religions approves or disapproves them, especially in the USA.

    Fine, your religion and beliefs do not approve same sex marriage. That's great but do not try to foist those beliefs on others. Your religion has a right to determines what is a valid marriage between its members and the state has the right to determine what is a valid marriage irrespective of what the myriads of religions have to say on the subject.


    ^^ This ^^

    Also, the Bible establishes certain principals. The Bible says nothing about driving while under the influence of drugs or driving an a dangerous manner, but we intuitively know from some of the basic principals in the Bible that exposing others to undue risk is wrong. In fact, that should be intuitively obvious even to people who don't even know that the Bible exists.

    When the Supreme Court decreed that racial segregation was unconstitutional, the religious reactionaries were among those who opposed the decision and would not even permit black persons to become members of their churches, or even enter them. Now the religious reactionaries want to ban same-sex marriage for everyone, not merely refuse recognize same-sex marriages themselves.
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    Oct 08, 2014 9:23 PM GMT
    Have they devoted any of their energy and resources to paying their RECORD FINE in Maine yet? icon_razz.gif
  • 24hourguy

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    Oct 09, 2014 1:45 PM GMT
    fuck 'em
  • tazzari

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    Oct 09, 2014 6:40 PM GMT
    dayumm saidHave they devoted any of their energy and resources to paying their RECORD FINE in Maine yet? icon_razz.gif


    No, they're too busy out there doing good, helping the poor, fighting injustice, cleaning up the environment - you know, the BIG, important stuff.
  • Svnw688

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    Oct 09, 2014 6:54 PM GMT
    FRE0 saidThe response of NOM is irrational and incorrect. It includes the following statement:

    "First, the entire idea that marriage can be redefined from the bench is illegitimate. Marriage is the union of one man and one woman; it has been this throughout the history of civilization and will remain this no matter what unelected judges say." [Emphasis mine]

    The definition of marriage obviously has not always been of one man and one woman. Anyone who has studied history, other religions, and the OT of the Bible, would be aware of that. Considering that less than 5% of the population would ever be interested in having a same-sex partner, it obviously is not a threat to anyone.

    The resources NOM plans to devote to opposing same-sex marriage would be better spent to feed the hungry, house the poor, etc. etc., which is mandated by the Bible which NOM claims to follow, but does not.


    +1, This!
  • tazzari

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    Oct 09, 2014 7:52 PM GMT
    The resources NOM plans to devote to opposing same-sex marriage would be better spent to feed the hungry, house the poor, etc. etc., which is mandated by the Bible which NOM claims to follow, but does not.

    Tell the Mormon Church; I suspect that in spite of recent statements to the (somewhat) contrary, they remain NOM's driving force and source of funding. Which is why NOM is so afraid of revealing their sources.
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    tazzari said
    dayumm saidHave they devoted any of their energy and resources to paying their RECORD FINE in Maine yet? icon_razz.gif


    No, they're too busy out there doing good, helping the poor, fighting injustice, cleaning up the environment - you know, the BIG, important stuff.


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