Ben Affleck vs Bill Maher - Can Liberalism Be Saved From Itself?

  • lostlogic

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    Oct 09, 2014 1:28 AM GMT
    Sam Harris responds to to the heated debated on liberal apologists with Islam him and Bill Maher had with Ben Affleck.



    Harris also commented on Reza Aslan's remarks on the on air exchange.

    Harris' article here.
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    Oct 09, 2014 1:34 AM GMT
    This video illustrates beautifully why free speech and criticism towards religion is important.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryYETmi9lNA
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    Oct 09, 2014 1:44 AM GMT
    I am part of a group of Lebanese Atheists online (most ex-muslims, and some ex-christians, some ex-druze), and the majority thought Ben is an idiot. He lives in the USA, and he doesn't understand what many non-muslim arabs (and even 'secular' arabs) go through due to muslims who are in control. He also kept saying it's racist (in the video with Bill, Sam, and Ben) to attack muslims, which is both stupid and offensive in itself since muslims are distributed among many a race at a similar magnitude (i.e almost as many brown muslims as arab muslims as mongoloid muslims). He also does not have a good grasp on statistics. Just shut up and act, Ben (Dixie Chicks reference).
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    Oct 09, 2014 2:16 AM GMT
    Yeah, typical of militant leftists.
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    Oct 09, 2014 2:45 AM GMT
    kevex saidYeah, typical of militant leftists.


    They are just as bad as the extreme right.
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    Oct 09, 2014 2:47 AM GMT
    Sweetooth said
    kevex saidYeah, typical of militant leftists.


    They are just as bad as the extreme right.


    nope
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    Oct 09, 2014 2:51 AM GMT
    Bevik said
    Sweetooth said
    kevex saidYeah, typical of militant leftists.


    They are just as bad as the extreme right.


    nope


    The extreme left will defend many elements of the extreme right so it can be argued they share a lot of the same qualities, or at least that the end game is the same. So, yup.
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    Oct 09, 2014 2:56 AM GMT
    i dontl like people try to shove their ideas about religion down your throat. im friends with this fellow co worker who is from afganistian, he is very relgious and tries to explain why ONLY a certian branch of islam is correct and why me being a jew is wrong , etc. finally one day i made a youtube video explaining all the things he said about the jews how it hurt me! next day he said apologized and we he hasnt brought up religion since. PEOPLE MUST understand people are fucking dying in the name of religion. if tomorrow is judgement day for me i have no problem telling G!D how i feel and he wants to send me to hell then so be it!
  • Bevik

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    Oct 09, 2014 2:59 AM GMT
    Sweetooth said
    Bevik said
    Sweetooth said
    kevex saidYeah, typical of militant leftists.


    They are just as bad as the extreme right.


    nope


    The extreme left will defend many elements of the extreme right so it can be argued they share a lot of the same qualities, or at least that the end game is the same. So, yup.


    In terms of effectiveness, and how "dangerous" they are. The extreme right is FAR worse.

    When was the last time a bunch of pro-choicers killed a bunch of pro-lifers?

    When was the last time a bunch of extreme left-wingers took a bunch of armed assault weapons into a wal-mart to prove a point?

    When was the last time a bunch of left wing nuts had a standoff with the military because their cows were grazing on government land?

    I mean these are examples off the top of my head. Maybe you have some examples of left-wing nut jobs doing horrible things, but I just haven't heard of any. I fully admit I could be wrong, and that there are examples.

    I do apologize for the curtness of my original post. That was genuinely rude, and I don't mean to be that way.
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    Oct 09, 2014 3:04 AM GMT
    Bevik said
    Sweetooth said
    Bevik said
    Sweetooth said
    kevex saidYeah, typical of militant leftists.


    They are just as bad as the extreme right.


    nope


    The extreme left will defend many elements of the extreme right so it can be argued they share a lot of the same qualities, or at least that the end game is the same. So, yup.


    In terms of effectiveness, and how "dangerous" they are. The extreme right is FAR worse.

    When was the last time a bunch of pro-choicers killed a bunch of pro-lifers?

    When was the last time a bunch of extreme left-wingers took a bunch of armed assault weapons into a wal-mart to prove a point?

    When was the last time a bunch of left wing nuts had a standoff with the military because their cows were grazing on government land?

    I mean these are examples off the top of my head. Maybe you have some examples of left-wing nut jobs doing horrible things, but I just haven't heard of any. I fully admit I could be wrong, and that there are examples.

    I do apologize for the curtness of my original post. That was genuinely rude, and I don't mean to be that way.


    I said extreme left. I do not believe pro choice is extreme left.
    "When was the last time a bunch of extreme left-wingers took a bunch of armed assault weapons into a wal-mart to prove a point?"- ask Assad, you lefties want to/do arm his enemies (since he's a 'fascist'). Right wingers as well, both dumb, dumb, that's why I said they are the same breed.
    I can think of many problems brought on in the global context.
    No need to apologize.
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    Oct 09, 2014 3:09 AM GMT
    Sweetooth said
    Bevik said
    Sweetooth said
    Bevik said
    Sweetooth said
    kevex saidYeah, typical of militant leftists.


    They are just as bad as the extreme right.


    nope


    The extreme left will defend many elements of the extreme right so it can be argued they share a lot of the same qualities, or at least that the end game is the same. So, yup.


    In terms of effectiveness, and how "dangerous" they are. The extreme right is FAR worse.

    When was the last time a bunch of pro-choicers killed a bunch of pro-lifers?

    When was the last time a bunch of extreme left-wingers took a bunch of armed assault weapons into a wal-mart to prove a point?

    When was the last time a bunch of left wing nuts had a standoff with the military because their cows were grazing on government land?

    I mean these are examples off the top of my head. Maybe you have some examples of left-wing nut jobs doing horrible things, but I just haven't heard of any. I fully admit I could be wrong, and that there are examples.

    I do apologize for the curtness of my original post. That was genuinely rude, and I don't mean to be that way.


    I said extreme left. I do not believe pro choice is extreme left.
    "When was the last time a bunch of extreme left-wingers took a bunch of armed assault weapons into a wal-mart to prove a point?"- ask Assad, you lefties want to/do arm his enemies (since he's a 'fascist'). Right wingers as well, both dumb, dumb, that's why I said they are the same breed.
    I can think of many problems brought on in the global context.
    No need to apologize.



    whoah whoah whoah... don't lump me in with that affleck character.

    My point is that, on the whole, I believe right wing extremism to be far worse than left wing. I'll just agree to disagree with you on that one.

    I am not, in the least, advocating for extreme left ideals haha.
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    Oct 09, 2014 3:11 AM GMT
    It seems to me you see them both as being evil, or something you want to distance yourself from. I think that speaks for itself, and thats why I think they both are equally vile. It's like choosing the lesser evil, no one wins.

    Also, I'm not lumping you with the extreme left. You haven't said anything crazy yet.
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    Oct 09, 2014 3:14 AM GMT
    Sweetooth saidIt seems to me you see them both as being evil, or something you want to distance yourself from. I think that speaks for itself, and thats why I think they both are equally vile. It's like choosing the lesser evil, no one wins.

    Also, I'm not lumping you with the extreme left. You haven't said anything crazy yet.


    Yet...
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    Oct 09, 2014 4:19 AM GMT
    Though Ben Affleck has in recent years become more articulate and quick-witted about subjects in which he's inexpert, he still comes off as idiotic between his arguments, approach and his practiced posturing (tensed brows, chin buried in knuckles, and forward-hunched shoulders to emphasize intent gaze). I suspect he's oft-invited on panels of liberal shows as the non-dangerous, Elizabeth Hasslebeck of extreme liberals, one we can feel superior to and make fun of. On these shows he always strikes me as trying too hard to be taken seriously and of late may be conflating his Oscar win for "Argo" with expertise in Islamophobia.

    Whenever famously liberal celebrities bend over backwards to be politically correct about Muslims (apologists?) I can't help but think of "Team America World Police" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQOWp3tLb2s

    About "Argo," while it was inherently unflattering to Muslims given the subject (Iran hostage crisis) changing the nationality of the maid who kept silent from Phillipino to Iranian is possibly an example of this - even if she subsequently fled the country to Iraq. (Yes, Canada's role was downplayed to the consternation of Canadians but that was strictly for dramatic effect.)
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    Oct 09, 2014 4:27 AM GMT
    eagermuscle saidThough Ben Affleck has in recent years become more articulate and quick-witted about subjects in which he's inexpert,even though he still comes off as idiotic between his approach and his practiced posturing (tensed brows, chin buried in knuckles, and forward-hunched shoulders to emphasize intent gaze). I suspect he's oft-invited on panels of liberal shows as the non-dangerous, Elizabeth Hasslebeck of extreme liberals, one we can feel superior to and make fun of. On these shows he always strikes me as trying to hard to be taken seriously and of late may be conflating his Oscar win for "Argo" with expertise in Islamophobia.

    Whenever famously liberal celebrities bend over backwards to be politically correct about Muslims (apologists?) I can't help but think of "Team America World Police" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQOWp3tLb2s

    About "Argo," while it was inherently unflattering to Muslims given the subject (Iran hostage crisis) changing the nationality of the maid who kept silent from Phillipino to Iranian is possibly an example of this - even if she had to subsequently fled the country to Iraq. (Yes, Canada's role was downplayed to the consternation of Canadians but that was strictly for dramatic effect.)


    Good point.
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    Oct 09, 2014 4:31 AM GMT
    eagermuscle saidThough Ben Affleck has in recent years become more articulate and quick-witted about subjects in which he's inexpert, he still comes off as idiotic between his arguments, approach and his practiced posturing (tensed brows, chin buried in knuckles, and forward-hunched shoulders to emphasize intent gaze). I suspect he's oft-invited on panels of liberal shows as the non-dangerous, Elizabeth Hasslebeck of extreme liberals, one we can feel superior to and make fun of. On these shows he always strikes me as trying too hard to be taken seriously and of late may be conflating his Oscar win for "Argo" with expertise in Islamophobia.

    Whenever famously liberal celebrities bend over backwards to be politically correct about Muslims (apologists?) I can't help but think of "Team America World Police" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQOWp3tLb2s

    About "Argo," while it was inherently unflattering to Muslims given the subject (Iran hostage crisis) changing the nationality of the maid who kept silent from Phillipino to Iranian is possibly an example of this - even if she subsequently fled the country to Iraq. (Yes, Canada's role was downplayed to the consternation of Canadians but that was strictly for dramatic effect.)
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