Black leaders slam Supreme Court’s 'cowardice' in marriage protection ruling

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    Oct 14, 2014 2:25 AM GMT
    Hmmmm, so now the real truth comes out about CA Prop 8 and who voted yes icon_mad.gif


    http://www.examiner.com/article/black-leaders-slam-supreme-court-s-cowardice-marriage-protection-ruling

    "While the mainstream news media -- who act as the propaganda machine for gay and lesbian groups -- attempts to portray opponents of same-sex marriage as being elderly, white Republicans, the truth is that a overwhelming majority of blacks and Latinos oppose anything but traditional marriage. It's only in the white community in which you find most of the support for same-sex marriage,"

    However, the members of the National Coalition of Black Pastors and Christian Leaders, a client of the Thomas More Law Center, a public interest law firm based in Ann Arbor, Michigan, promised the news media and the American people that these African American church leaders would press on and fight for the traditional marriage between a man and a woman.
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    Oct 14, 2014 2:31 AM GMT
    They're just butthurt that their DL flings are coming out of the closet and ditching them for "real" gay guys who can live openly.
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    Oct 14, 2014 2:46 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidThey're just butthurt that their DL flings are coming out of the closet and ditching them for "real" gay guys who can live openly.



    Yeah, they are probably the cause behind the disproportionate of higher rates of Hiv infection among African and Latino men because these men are literally deathly afraid of their own institutionalized faith 'leaders' who would banish and punish them, thus the reason for the DL in the first place icon_rolleyes.gif

    Clearly black and latino voters were supporters of Prop 8, especially black women icon_confused.gif

    Analysis of California Propsition 8 Exit Poll Data
    http://www.madpickles.org/California_Proposition_8.html

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    Now, the ones black and latino counted on the most, this just must be rocking their heterosexual worlds, sports is the only thing that kept them grounded, these are probably the single most important showings closeted black and latino men can aspire to, DL no more icon_rolleyes.gif


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    Oct 14, 2014 1:15 PM GMT
    I 've got to agree with them. Our democracy was been hi-jacked by a rogue president and crony judges that ignore rule of law. I'm embarrassed that gay marriage has been "legalized" the wrong way. It's also ironic that gays and liberals empowered the so called minorities and the third world values.
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    Oct 14, 2014 1:18 PM GMT
    That came out a while ago. Large numbers of different groups voted yes. Blacks. Latinos. Old people. Religious people. Women. That was a while ago tho. There has been a shift since then But blacks and Latinos are largely religious and they were pretty anti gay. Those are the actions and words of a group who know the war is lost. Its sad they still king too it. But they do
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    Oct 14, 2014 1:56 PM GMT
    These leaders use the same tired complaint about judges legislating from the bench. Maybe they'd like the Supreme Court to also take back their former ruling against "seperate but equal" racial segregation in schools. Or the ruling against interracial marriage prohibitions.

    If left to the voters or legislatures of some Southern States those provisions against Blacks might still exist in them today. And opponents of overturrning those laws also made religion part of their justification, especially regarding interracial marriage.

    That illlustrates a problem with mixing politics and religion, that the Founders wanted to avoid. Just WHOSE religion takes precedence when writing the laws? Different Christian denominations believe different things, as do non-Christian religions.

    And as it happens, some religions DO accept same-sex marriage. Is the faith these Black leaders follow the only correct one, with pro-gay religious leaders in the wrong? This gets us into arguments over religious doctrine, and heresy, the thing that tore Europe apart for centuries. Which is why the Founders didn't want those kinds of debates brought into the political arena.
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    Oct 14, 2014 2:18 PM GMT
    pazzy saidonce again, folks are pulling the race card. icon_lol.gif it says some christian and religious "leaders". does it really matter if it's black or white in that case? we all know that there's those among the religious and christian population that are homophobic.

    let's take the beginning of the article first since you didn't seem to read and jumped to conclusions.

    A number of black Christian pastors and church leaders slammed the United States Supreme Court justices for turning down a case that would once and for all settle the dispute and divisiveness created by the issue of same-sex marriage.

    this is a prime example of folks pulling the race card, being slick exposing their prejudices then turning around saying "but i'm not racist".

    and way to go blaming black people for prop 8. dan savage did the same thing and made himself look like an ass. i'm gay and black, breh. maybe you should check yourself first before you go about speaking airing yourself out thinking you're saying something.

    it's funny how you're making this into a black and white thing as if there weren't white people out there that are homophobic. i like how folks try to target certain populations and expose their ignorance on top of that because they act as if the same issue isn't visual in the ones that they CHOOSE to knowingly overlook.


    Pazzy- the spokesman made it about being black. He's the one who used his moral authority as a black ckergy, the ones who lead the civil rights movement, to say "gay rights aren't civil rights like rights for black people."

    And yes, white people are homophobic too. But you can't argue with the facts- a much greater percentage of minorities in California voted for prop 8 than whites.

    Saying "homophobia is more prevalent in African culture" is backed up by facts and not racist. If you took the facts and jumped to a conclusion "all black people are homophobic and should die." IS racist. See the difference?

    Chillax dude, no one here is out to get you.
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    Alpha13 saidI 've got to agree with them. Our democracy was been hi-jacked by a rogue president and crony judges that ignore rule of law. I'm embarrassed that gay marriage has been "legalized" the wrong way. It's also ironic that gays and liberals empowered the so called minorities and the third world values.


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    Oct 14, 2014 2:51 PM GMT
    ^I like the way this guy thinks. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Oct 14, 2014 3:37 PM GMT
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    pazzy saidonce again, folks are pulling the race card. icon_lol.gif it says some christian and religious "leaders". does it really matter if it's black or white in that case? we all know that there's those among the religious and christian population that are homophobic.

    let's take the beginning of the article first since you didn't seem to read and jumped to conclusions.

    A number of black Christian pastors and church leaders slammed the United States Supreme Court justices for turning down a case that would once and for all settle the dispute and divisiveness created by the issue of same-sex marriage.

    this is a prime example of folks pulling the race card, being slick exposing their prejudices then turning around saying "but i'm not racist".

    and way to go blaming black people for prop 8. dan savage did the same thing and made himself look like an ass. i'm gay and black, breh. maybe you should check yourself first before you go about speaking airing yourself out thinking you're saying something.

    it's funny how you're making this into a black and white thing as if there weren't white people out there that are homophobic. i like how folks try to target certain populations and expose their ignorance on top of that because they act as if the same issue isn't visual in the ones that they CHOOSE to knowingly overlook.


    Pazzy- the spokesman made it about being black. He's the one who used his moral authority as a black ckergy, the ones who lead the civil rights movement, to say "gay rights aren't civil rights like rights for black people."

    And yes, white people are homophobic too. But you can't argue with the facts- a much greater percentage of minorities in California voted for prop 8 than whites.

    Saying "homophobia is more prevalent in African culture" is backed up by facts and not racist. If you took the facts and jumped to a conclusion "all black people are homophobic and should die." IS racist. See the difference?

    Chillax dude, no one here is out to get you.

    +100. You saved me a lot of typing.

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    Alpha13 saidI 've got to agree with them. Our democracy was been hi-jacked by a rogue president and crony judges that ignore rule of law. I'm embarrassed that gay marriage has been "legalized" the wrong way. It's also ironic that gays and liberals empowered the so called minorities and the third world values.


    I agree w/ you except for the part about gay marriage being legalized the wrong way, though that's a legitimate argument over which reasonable minds may well differ. The same argument might be made about Brown v. Bd. of Education's striking down separate but equal, though those same black preachers at issue here won't be the ones to make it. The rule of law is paramount, NOT the cult of personalities that threatens our republic in the form of Obama and those federal judges who make laws instead of interpret existing ones.
    And, I strongly object to any of those self-appointed, so-called "gay leaders" purporting to speak on behalf of gays when they support lawlessness like that seen in Ferguson and St. Louis for the past month, for absolutely no legitimate reason at all. I don't recall delegating anyone my "gay vote," if such a thing even exists. To be perfectly clear, the evidence produced so far strongly indicates that the officers who shot and killed both those thugs, who were actively engaged in illegal behavior, were completely justified in doing so, and anyone who argues they weren't is ignoring that evidence and deliberately stating falsehoods. The "sandwich defense?" No, thanks; the twinkie version was bad enough.
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    Oct 14, 2014 4:38 PM GMT
    pazzy saidonce again, folks are pulling the race card. icon_lol.gif it says some christian and religious "leaders". does it really matter if it's black or white in that case? we all know that there's those among the religious and christian population that are homophobic.

    let's take the beginning of the article first since you didn't seem to read and jumped to conclusions.

    A number of black Christian pastors and church leaders slammed the United States Supreme Court justices for turning down a case that would once and for all settle the dispute and divisiveness created by the issue of same-sex marriage.

    this is a prime example of folks pulling the race card, being slick exposing their prejudices then turning around saying "but i'm not racist".

    and way to go blaming black people for prop 8. dan savage did the same thing and made himself look like an ass. i'm gay and black, breh. maybe you should check yourself first before you go about speaking airing yourself out thinking you're saying something.

    it's funny how you're making this into a black and white thing as if there weren't white people out there that are homophobic. i like how folks try to target certain populations and expose their ignorance on top of that because they act as if the same issue isn't visual in the ones that they CHOOSE to knowingly overlook.


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    Alpha13 saidI 've got to agree with them. Our democracy was been hi-jacked by a rogue president and crony judges that ignore rule of law. I'm embarrassed that gay marriage has been "legalized" the wrong way. It's also ironic that gays and liberals empowered the so called minorities and the third world values.


    Gay Marriage rights came about in essentially the same way in Canada about ten years ago. The Courts started ruling that bans against gay marriage were unconstitutional with the various governments fighting it. After judges declared it legal in three provinces that counted for 80% of the population the federal political powers threw in the towel and agreed the law needed to formally change. Even Steven Harper, a conservative PM, saw the writing on the wall.

    Judges here didn't "make law", they correctly "interpreted" the already existing law. Same thing US judges now have the guts to do.
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    paulflexes saidThey're just butthurt that their DL flings are coming out of the closet and ditching them for "real" gay guys who can live openly.



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    Oct 14, 2014 6:48 PM GMT
    stupid ignorant raciest people come in all colors... icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Ashdod saidstupid ignorant raciest people come in all colors... icon_rolleyes.gif




    lol The irony.


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    Alpha13 saidI 've got to agree with them. Our democracy was been hi-jacked by a rogue president and crony judges that ignore rule of law. I'm embarrassed that gay marriage has been "legalized" the wrong way. It's also ironic that gays and liberals empowered the so called minorities and the third world values.


    Gay Marriage rights came about in essentially the same way in Canada about ten years ago. The Courts started ruling that bans against gay marriage were unconstitutional with the various governments fighting it. After judges declared it legal in three provinces that counted for 80% of the population the federal political powers threw in the towel and agreed the law needed to formally change. Even Steven Harper, a conservative PM, saw the writing on the wall.

    Judges here didn't "make law", they correctly "interpreted" the already existing law. Same thing US judges now have the guts to do.[/quo


    So what law was that? The retroactive change ( nullification) in hundreds of millions existing marriage contracts between men and women? That is nazi like ploy like nationalization of Jewish wealth.

    The huge American experiment of 1776 that out performed every other political system was our Democracy. Democracy radically gave people not a ruling monarch,dynasty or tyrant the ability to rule themselves. The pundits in Europe laughed at the concept that the general populace could do a better job than a monarch. History especially in the 20 th century showed democracy the superior form of government. The people's voice has been overturned by corrupt, back room Chicago style politics. Much more has been lost than gained.
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    Oct 14, 2014 7:20 PM GMT
    Alpha13 said[quote][cite]YVRguy said[/cite]
    Alpha13 saidI 've got to agree with them. Our democracy was been hi-jacked by a rogue president and crony judges that ignore rule of law. I'm embarrassed that gay marriage has been "legalized" the wrong way. It's also ironic that gays and liberals empowered the so called minorities and the third world values.


    Gay Marriage rights came about in essentially the same way in Canada about ten years ago. The Courts started ruling that bans against gay marriage were unconstitutional with the various governments fighting it. After judges declared it legal in three provinces that counted for 80% of the population the federal political powers threw in the towel and agreed the law needed to formally change. Even Steven Harper, a conservative PM, saw the writing on the wall.

    Judges here didn't "make law", they correctly "interpreted" the already existing law. Same thing US judges now have the guts to do.[/quo


    So what law was that? The retroactive change ( nullification) in hundreds of millions existing marriage contracts between men and women? That is nazi like ploy like nationalization of Jewish wealth.

    The huge American experiment of 1776 that out performed every other political system was our Democracy. Democracy radically gave people not a ruling monarch,dynasty or tyrant the ability to rule themselves. The pundits in Europe laughed at the concept that the general populace could do a better job than a monarch. History especially in the 20 th century showed democracy the superior form of government. The people's voice has been overturned by corrupt, back room Chicago style politics. Much more has been lost than gained.


    I'm happy when ignorant, bigoted voices are overturned by judges who see laws put into place by the ignorant populace as unconstitutional.

    If it wasn't for those judges aptly interpreting the law, bans against interracial marriages would have lasted a longer.
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    Oct 14, 2014 7:41 PM GMT
    From the article:

    “The Supreme Court’s refusal to hear the marriage protection appeals is both disappointing and alarming."

    Probably the reason the Supreme Court declined to address the appeal was that all the arguments had already been presented in the lower courts and there was nothing left to hear. Why should they listen to the same arguments over and over ad nauseam?
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    Oct 14, 2014 7:43 PM GMT
    Yes, black and Latino voters largely voted in favor of Prop 8. That was reported in the LA Times the day after the election.

    Are you somehow surprised that blacks and Latinos are mostly against same sex marriage? Why???

    Haven't you been listening to what blacks and Latinos on this very site say about acceptance by their own families?
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    bro4bro saidYes, black and Latino voters largely voted in favor of Prop 8. That was reported in the LA Times the day after the election.

    Are you somehow surprised that blacks and Latinos are mostly against same sex marriage? Why???

    Haven't you been listening to what blacks and Latinos on this very site say about acceptance by their own families?


    Exactly. Same thing happens with Arabs (the Muslim ones especially) But Latinos are not a race though.
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    Oct 14, 2014 8:22 PM GMT
    Black American Christians who don't know their own history are foolish and ignorant. During the Civil Rights era [and long before], the Bible was used to discriminate against blacks. Now it's being used to discriminate against gays. The judge in the Loving v. Virginia trial stated: "Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix." He used the Bible to support his bigotry. Oh the irony.

    I hate when these pundit religious dickheads don't even know the history of their own religion.
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    Oct 14, 2014 8:30 PM GMT
    Why call these people "black leaders"? I don't recall electing or selecting any of them to lead me any where.