Why Even Vote?

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    Oct 14, 2014 9:40 PM GMT
    If your not rich you have no power, the electoral college, corporate leaders or anyone who is an elitist/socialite are the only ones who have vote influence in this country and determine what we go through and deal with we have no voting power so why even have the power to vote? If your rich on here than good for you icon_cry.gif
  • roadbikeRob

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    Oct 15, 2014 12:36 AM GMT

    Lately I have been feeling the same way. Why bother wasting valuable time voting when your vote is watered down to nothing and only the rich and powerful get what they want in the elections. Here in New York, we already know that Governor Andrew Cuomo is going to win reelection in a landslide so why should I even bother going to the pollsicon_question.gif
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    Oct 15, 2014 1:04 AM GMT
    I've not missed voting once in nearly 40 years. If I'm out of town or if my polling place happens to be held at a religious building, I mail-in vote because I feel voting at religious institutions is a violation of the separation of church and state.

    I don't always vote every single candidate nor every single issue but I always cast my ballot. This year, because the Democrats are running a guy who I can not vote for, and because I've even less respect for the Republican candidate, I'm writing in Alfred E. Neuman for governor of Florida. I usually save that cartoon for a presidential race where I'm not happy with either candidate but I thought this a special occasion. Sometimes I write in Bugs Bunny. I love Bugs Bunny and I think he would do a very good job at representing the people. At least we'd have a few laughs.

    For years I rarely if ever voted for judges because I wasn't familiar with them so thought that best handled by their profession. But since the internet, I'm able to easily research who these characters are so I can make informed decisions and vote accordingly.

    Sometimes an amendment might not have much affect on me and so I leave that blank, thinking that decision better made by those more effected. Women's procedures, for example. I might feel an issue for them to decide, not for me. But I make effort to understand all the issues, their costs, their benefits if any and I vote according to my conscience, selling out to none.



  • Apparition

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    Oct 15, 2014 2:01 AM GMT
    if you dont vote, you dont get to complain.

    In canada, you can officially refuse your ballot if you dont like the candidates, I usually do that. A LOT of people are doing that lately. I think though that the salary of the candidates should be on the ballot and they get the "average", THAT would wake people up and go vote.
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    Oct 15, 2014 2:18 AM GMT
    the mail in ballots are easy enough
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    Oct 15, 2014 2:42 AM GMT
    You should still vote in your local city and state elections. That's where your voice still matters. Presidential elections don't matter much because of the electoral college thing.
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    Oct 15, 2014 4:32 AM GMT
    Of course, if you're irretrievably stupid, please feel free not to vote.
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    Oct 15, 2014 5:38 AM GMT
    mindgarden saidOf course, if you're irretrievably stupid, please feel free not to vote.


    Right back at you...look at yourself first
  • cyclinghiker

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    Oct 15, 2014 11:31 AM GMT
    So many local and state elections are decided by just a few votes, so the logic that one's vote doesn't matter is really quite silly. In Kansas, many of the elections were decided in the primary where only 20% of the voting population turned out. Just think, if everyone was educated, used their critical thinking skills, and went to the voting booth, how different things would be. Several people literally won by just a few votes.

    In my eyes, there is no reason for voting apathy except for laziness. Unless of course you do like it when your elected officials were decided by a coin toss thanks to a low voter turn out and a tie as well as being disengaged with the process that decides so many factors that affect your fate - then sure don't vote and never complain about anything at all that is affected by the political process which is pretty much everything.

    Plus, it is one of those key factors of citizenship. Furthermore, one gets a sticker when one votes, and that is just nifty.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Oct 15, 2014 11:49 AM GMT
    cyclinghiker saidSo many local and state elections are decided by just a few votes, so the logic that one's vote doesn't matter is really quite silly. In Kansas, many of the elections were decided in the primary where only 20% of the voting population turned out. Just think, if everyone was educated, used their critical thinking skills, and went to the voting booth, how different things would be. Several people literally won by just a few votes.

    In my eyes, there is no reason for voting apathy except for laziness. Unless of course you do like it when your elected officials were decided by a coin toss thanks to a low voter turn out and a tie as well as being disengaged with the process that decides so many factors that affect your fate - then sure don't vote and never complain about anything at all that is affected by the political process which is pretty much everything.

    Plus, it is one of those key factors of citizenship. Furthermore, one gets a sticker when one votes, and that is just nifty.
    Its not just laziness, a lot of people are thoroughly disgusted with politics so that alone turns a lot of them away from voting. The news media, the political parties, and all the power brokers have these elections rigged so that only the incumbents can keep getting reelected again and again and it is the same old, same old. Here in Buffalo we had our mayors race last year and it was a big joke. We had two viable opposition candidates but they didn't have the huge wads of campaign cash and they were not political insiders. So obviously the political establishment and the local power brokers along with the Buffalo News endorsed the ethically challenged, brain dead incumbent for mayor and these two opposing candidates never had a fighting chance even though they had excellent platforms focusing on ignored city issues. People in Buffalo got so disgusted with the whole process that the overwhelming majority stayed away from the polls and we are stuck with Mr. All Appearances, No Substance Byron Brown as mayor of our city for four more years. The lopsided campaign coverage, the big money influence, and all the endorsements from the mindless sycophants, it is no wonder that most people found other things to do on Election Day besides going to the polls. Matters are not helped any by the sad fact that Buffalo has been under monopoly control by the corrupt, incompetent democratic party for the past 50 years. A very disgusting situation indeedicon_mad.gif
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    Oct 15, 2014 12:00 PM GMT
    mindgarden saidOf course, if you're irretrievably stupid, please feel free not to vote.


    Agreed.
  • ohioguy12

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    Oct 15, 2014 1:21 PM GMT
    10 reasons why EVERYBODY should vote

    http://www.attn.com/stories/136/need-motivate-your-friends-vote-show-them
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    Oct 15, 2014 1:21 PM GMT
    I vote on propositions only.
  • Trontastic

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    Oct 15, 2014 1:47 PM GMT
    Granted, voting is mandatory where I live, so take this with a grain of salt.

    Make your voice heard. Vote for the candidate who best expresses your views. Screw the big two, go the candidate whose policies you like best. Even if you think they haven't a hope of winning, if you and all like minded people did the same, it would bring them one step closer, or more!

    I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Democracy doesn't have to be a binary choice.
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    Oct 15, 2014 2:33 PM GMT
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_close_election_results
  • Destinharbor

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    Oct 15, 2014 2:48 PM GMT
    cyclinghiker saidSo many local and state elections are decided by just a few votes, so the logic that one's vote doesn't matter is really quite silly. In Kansas, many of the elections were decided in the primary where only 20% of the voting population turned out. Just think, if everyone was educated, used their critical thinking skills, and went to the voting booth, how different things would be. Several people literally won by just a few votes.

    In my eyes, there is no reason for voting apathy except for laziness. Unless of course you do like it when your elected officials were decided by a coin toss thanks to a low voter turn out and a tie as well as being disengaged with the process that decides so many factors that affect your fate - then sure don't vote and never complain about anything at all that is affected by the political process which is pretty much everything.

    Plus, it is one of those key factors of citizenship. Furthermore, one gets a sticker when one votes, and that is just nifty.


    Well put. Plus, if you don't vote, you'll help elect Republicans. And they'll stir up hate, just as they always do. One thing you can be sure of, T-baggers will vote. You want Ted Cruz as President with Republicans running both houses? Vote or be prepared to be squashed like a bug.
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    Oct 15, 2014 3:06 PM GMT
    Destinharbor said
    cyclinghiker saidSo many local and state elections are decided by just a few votes, so the logic that one's vote doesn't matter is really quite silly. In Kansas, many of the elections were decided in the primary where only 20% of the voting population turned out. Just think, if everyone was educated, used their critical thinking skills, and went to the voting booth, how different things would be. Several people literally won by just a few votes.

    In my eyes, there is no reason for voting apathy except for laziness. Unless of course you do like it when your elected officials were decided by a coin toss thanks to a low voter turn out and a tie as well as being disengaged with the process that decides so many factors that affect your fate - then sure don't vote and never complain about anything at all that is affected by the political process which is pretty much everything.

    Plus, it is one of those key factors of citizenship. Furthermore, one gets a sticker when one votes, and that is just nifty.

    Well put. Plus, if you don't vote, you'll help elect Republicans. And they'll stir up hate, just as they always do. One thing you can be sure of, T-baggers will vote. You want Ted Cruz as President with Republicans running both houses? Vote or be prepared to be squashed like a bug.

    +1

    Not voting is surrendering the battle field to the enemy without a struggle. At least make them fight for any victory they achieve, even if you really believe that's inevitable, to lessen its extent. It's not all black & white, and you can minimize the negative consequences for us. Assuming you ARE an "us".
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    Oct 15, 2014 4:30 PM GMT
    What seems smart might be nothing but deception or putting on airs while what seems stupid might be nothing but confusion or misunderstanding.

    What seems to me confused by the OP is campaigning with voting. Cyclinghiker addresses that by mentioning critical thinking required of the electorate. That's the essential part of democracy, what Jefferson referred to as the cornerstone, an informed or educated electorate.

    By informed, he didn't mean watching television ads, he didn't mean indoctrinated. Rather Independence of country; Independence of thought.

    It is by voting that we create our own political climate. We might live for a while in the winds of oppression, as people were voting, as the bastards did in Florida, to create an amendment to that State's constitution denying Gay people our dignity and basic human rights. People did that to us by voting.

    Or we might vote to shelter ourselves from that storm. So voting has great powers, even if everyone doesn't always get their way.

    Is there corruption in the system? Political debt (see how polite I can be?) and graft, of course. But there is no system without corruption. Welcome to the world.

    To the complex issue of the electoral college, it has only resulted contrary to popular vote four times and not necessarily as a matter of usurping the power of the electorate.

    This seems the criticism by the OP...
    [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_(United_States)[/url]
    this outcome typically result when the winning candidate has won the requisite configuration of states (and thus their votes) by small margins, but the losing candidate captured large voter margins in the remaining states. In this case, the very large margins secured by the losing candidate in the other states would aggregate to well over 50 percent of the ballots cast nationally. In a two-candidate race, with equal voter turnout in every district and no faithless electors, a candidate could win the electoral college while winning only about 22% of the nationwide popular vote. This would require the candidate in question to win each one of the following states by just one vote: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, District of Columbia, Hawaii, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, West Virginia, Wisconsin, and Wyoming.[88]

    A result of the present functionality of the Electoral College is that the national popular vote bears no legal or factual significance on determining the outcome of the election. Since the national popular vote is irrelevant, both voters and candidates are assumed to base their campaign strategies around the existence of the Electoral College; any close race has candidates campaigning to maximize electoral votes by capturing coveted swing states, not to maximize national popular vote totals
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    But there's more to it than that. I just perused it quickly but that wiki looks like it does a pretty good job of explaining that issue so the OP should read through that and other issues regarding democracy and the responsibilities of the electorate.

    Also I would suggest participating in government in any capacity. Have you ever attended a town hall meeting? Or you could volunteer on a committee, get onto an advisory panel, do any of those things at a local level or simply find a candidate you think you might like and go work for their campaign. See for yourself what's involved by being involved.
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    Oct 15, 2014 5:08 PM GMT
    I always vote for the candidate who has no chance in Hell of winning. That way I can always say of the idiot (which invariably they all are) in office: I didn't vote for him.

    I also never vote for incumbents.
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    Oct 15, 2014 5:34 PM GMT
    If nothing else, if you're of the liberal persuasion, just vote for all of the Democratic candidates, now matter how distasteful they might seem during the campaigning. Some Republican candidates have been very persuasive and compelling during the campaigning but when they got into office they really showed their colors (e.g., Bush Jr.)

    I agree with mindgarden and the others who say that it's foolish to not vote.

    You're not making any sort of a statement by not voting.
  • RetroFit

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    Oct 15, 2014 6:42 PM GMT
    In Missouri more than 40% of elections go uncontested. If voters refuse to vote there is no reason to forego family, career, hobbies and life to run if our supporters are "Too busy" to bother. Complain about money in politics? How do you think candidates get their messages out? Everything costs money and time. In Ststes like Misdouri LGBT community members are sub human by law: we don't have the same rights as blacks, women or the disabled.

    If that is okay with you then go back to your knitting and let Election Day pass but if you are offended by inequality and our subhuman status you are welcome to register your disapproval by choosing a 3rd party candidate or writing in a candidate (Oscar Wilde or Harry Potter are my favorites). Bipartisan Cooperation will continue to ignore us as long as we are of little consequence to them.

  • camfer

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    Oct 15, 2014 7:24 PM GMT
    Dallasfan824 saidI vote on propositions only.


    Did someone proposition you this week?
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    Oct 15, 2014 8:38 PM GMT
    Having run, won, and lost as a candidate for party, local, and national office, and having been active in both partisan and non-partisan voter turnout and election activities, I have more knowledge than many of just how much votes count: they count a LOT. The voting age was lowered from 21 to 18 a year or two after I was graduated from HS, and I've voted in every election since then. To not claim and exercise this prime constitutional right is not only to give up w/o a fight, but to jeopardize that right's continued vitality. IMHO anyone who doesn't avail himself of his right to vote has both lessened his credibility and "chosen poorly." Those are not the people I want either speaking for me or governing over me.
  • conservativej...

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    Oct 15, 2014 9:59 PM GMT
    It just goes to show that payback is always hell.
  • Svnw688

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    Oct 15, 2014 10:52 PM GMT
    I know, like, voting is so stupid, right? It's not like anything ever gets accomplished. Like, I'm so, like, over it.....

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