NC Magistrate Refuses To Perform Same-Sex Marriages

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    Oct 15, 2014 4:41 AM GMT
    These kinds of "protests" are becoming hilarious, maybe a new "it gets better" campaign will help them with their grief icon_rolleyes.gif


    http://www.business2community.com/social-buzz/nc-magistrate-refuses-perform-sex-marriages-01036780

    A North Carolina magistrate announced on Tuesday morning that he would not perform marriages for same-sex couples. Saying it was against his religion, the Pasquotank County judge turned away a couple requesting a license. They are expected to return later to be married by a different magistrate.

    According to 13 News Now, the magistrate could be charged with a misdemeanor for turning the couple away

  • Menergy_1

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    Oct 15, 2014 1:15 PM GMT
    "hey your onner, it's your JOB and duty. Perform your duties or get removed from that job. Simple." (All his boss needs to say.). It is also the law now.
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    Oct 15, 2014 1:24 PM GMT
    Menergy_1 said"hey your onner, it's your JOB and duty. Perform your duties or get removed from that job. Simple." (All his boss needs to say.). It is also the law now.

    Could he also refuse to marry an interracial couple, if he claimed his religion opposed it? How about a Jewish couple, since I have no doubt this magistrate is a Christian?

    And that folks, is an example of the wisdom behind the concept of separation of Church and State. If you are a public official you have sworn to uphold the law, not your Bible, nor any other source for guidance. And if you can't do that, you are in the wrong career field.
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    Oct 15, 2014 7:36 PM GMT
    scruffLA saidThese kinds of "protests" are becoming hilarious, maybe a new "it gets better" campaign will help them with their grief icon_rolleyes.gif


    http://www.business2community.com/social-buzz/nc-magistrate-refuses-perform-sex-marriages-01036780

    A North Carolina magistrate announced on Tuesday morning that he would not perform marriages for same-sex couples. Saying it was against his religion, the Pasquotank County judge turned away a couple requesting a license. They are expected to return later to be married by a different magistrate.

    According to 13 News Now, the magistrate could be charged with a misdemeanor for turning the couple away



    Rather than charging him with a misdemeanor, it would be better simply to fire him. Charging him might make him into a martyr thereby increasing resistance to same-sex marriage.

    Perhaps the oath of office should be changed so that when taking it, magistrates would be agreeing to resign if required to take an action contrary to their religious beliefs.
  • NealJohn

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    Oct 16, 2014 12:10 AM GMT
    Hypocrite! That's why there is a separation of church and state maybe you should've thought about that before becoming a judge. Stupid old fool
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    Oct 16, 2014 1:43 AM GMT
    I just don't understand how he can use his 'religion' to avoid doing his job. First, he was asked to do a 'legal' marriage in court (& not a 'religious' marriage in church). Second, divorce is against the religious beliefs of many Christians. Could he refuse to grant divorces to seperated couples? Why did this particular couple not sue this judge? At least, their honeymoon would've been paid for.
  • daddysw

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    Oct 16, 2014 8:32 AM GMT
    we had a similar situation in the uk a few years back . .a registrar protested that it was contrary to her faith . . her manager COULD have arranged her work schedule so that she wouldn't have to carry out ceremonies for gay people, but she didn't. It's the job. That's it. Registrars do not interpret the law. They carry it out. This magistrate will have cost the public purse some expense, and he should expect to be disciplined for this. Judiciary (the magistrate) and the law makers (congress and senate) are separated for just this reason. It's legal so do it. or resign.
  • Menergy_1

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    Oct 16, 2014 4:12 PM GMT
    Well I've read this morning the NC government has ordered its magistrates to comply or lose their jobs. Good!
  • Rowing_Ant

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    Oct 16, 2014 4:23 PM GMT
    I'm now dreading the backlash....

    But yes. There can be no get-out clause. At all. Because it's a slippery slope. IF you have a get-out clause for the gays because of your beliefs, where does that stop?
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    Oct 16, 2014 5:14 PM GMT
    True test of upholding the constitution and the principles of separation of church and state .

    violating your oath of office
    vs
    violating your religious conviction


    NC magistrates directed to marry gay couples
    http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/10/15/5243352/nc-men-wed-after-initial-denial.html#.VD_6G7Xu2cw

  • FRE0

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    Oct 16, 2014 11:53 PM GMT
    NealJohn saidHypocrite! That's why there is a separation of church and state maybe you should've thought about that before becoming a judge. Stupid old fool


    People do not have to be old to be stupid.
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    Oct 17, 2014 1:04 PM GMT
    Different dude, but this one elects to punt, because Jeebus. Bye, Felicia!

    http://www.journalnow.com/news/state_region/rockingham-magistrate-resigns-over-same-sex-marriage/article_cc18e9c0-5d42-5090-ac93-532c589771f8.html

    Winston-Salem JournalWENTWORTH — A Rockingham County magistrate submitted his resignation Thursday, saying he couldn’t marry same-sex couples because it violates his religious beliefs.

    Magistrate John Kallam Jr. sent a letter to Chief District Court Judge Fred Wilkins and said he couldn’t fulfill his oath of office after same-sex marriage became legal in North Carolina. His resignation is effective Oct. 31.

    “When I took my oath of office, I understood I would be required to perform weddings and have done so throughout my tenure,” Kallam said in an emailed resignation letter. “I did not, however, take that oath with any understanding that I would be required to marry same sex couples. It is my personal belief and a position of my Christian faith that doing so would desecrate a holy institution established by God himself.”

    Kallam could not be reached for comment Thursday night.
    Wilkins confirmed Kallam’s resignation.

    “He’s a good honorable man and a good man who stuck by his convictions,” Wilkins said.

    However, had Kallam refused to marry a same-sex couple, Wilkins said he would have followed protocol and suspended Kallam.


    That his "convictions", his "personal beliefs", and his positions of his "Christian faith" never stopped him from marrying divorced people says it all. icon_idea.gif
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    Oct 17, 2014 2:40 PM GMT
    “I did not, however, take that oath with any understanding that I would be required to marry same sex couples. It is my personal belief and a position of my Christian faith that doing so would desecrate a holy institution established by God himself.”

    First of all, who determined that God is a "him"? How can a Supreme Being have a biological sex?

    But second, marriage in the US is a civil contract. That's why a MAGISTRATE can perform a marriage, outside a church. This Magistrate is not a minister. What, did he think his government position had made him ordained?

    When ministers do perform a marriage it's because this civil marriage authority has been DELEGATED to them, for which the State issues them an authorization. But they still can't perform a legal marriage, no one in the US can, until a civil marriage license has been previously issued through the proper civil channels. (Rare exceptions used to exist for voyages at sea and other extraordinary circumstances, that I don't believe are used today)

    All the minister does is conduct a ceremony before witnesses to validate the 2 parties are in voluntary willful agreement, and to confirm it happened. Any religious trappings are optional and not legally required.

    So that this NC Magistrate doesn't even understand his own job. He is (was) a civil servant, not a Christian minister.
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    Oct 19, 2014 2:34 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said“I did not, however, take that oath with any understanding that I would be required to marry same sex couples. It is my personal belief and a position of my Christian faith that doing so would desecrate a holy institution established by God himself.”

    First of all, who determined that God is a "him"? How can a Supreme Being have a biological sex?

    But second, marriage in the US is a civil contract. That's why a MAGISTRATE can perform a marriage, outside a church. This Magistrate is not a minister. What, did he think his governmental position had made him ordained?

    When ministers do perform a marriage it's because this civil marriage authority has been DELEGATED to them, for which the State issues them an authorization. But they still can't perform a legal marriage, no one in the US can, until a civil marriage license has been previously issued through the proper channels. (Rare exceptions used to exist for voyages at sea and other extraordinary circumstances, that I don't believe are used today)

    All the minister does is conduct a ceremony before witnesses to validate the 2 parties are in voluntary willful agreement, and to confirm it happened. Any religious trappings are optional and not legally required.

    So that this NC Magistrate doesn't even understand his own job. He is (was) a civil servant, not a Christian minister.




    We can then safely conclude that religion is NOT a requirement for anyone in the form or employ of US federal, state or local governments, .. executive, judicial, legislative branches, governorship, mayoral, county seat and law enforcement, then why are some people within our governmental system who cant seem to grasp the separation of their job duties and their religious beliefs? I am going out on a limb here and say, in the US beginning, it was the religions themselves that infiltrated the governments and imposed their will, "In God We Trust", why? icon_idea.gif

    We could have a US president and speaker of the house and down the line that are atheists and totally, by the US constitution, separation of church and state, rightfully keep all religion out of government and the people who are employed within them by replacing the religious koo koos with all atheists. Religious people could then form their own businesses without influencing any form of government or their elections. Religious people would have to "elect" their own religious people if they wanted to keep their religion in a democracy-socialist society icon_idea.gif

    This just seems to me, since the US was formed, a power struggle between the two, since the recent Hobby Lobby case, you can add the people of corporation into the power struggle mix mash, we now have the trinity icon_idea.gif