Lawsuit alleges New Mexico college student was shunned for anti-gay views

  • metta

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    Oct 17, 2014 1:44 AM GMT
    Lawsuit alleges New Mexico college student was shunned for anti-gay views

    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2014/10/lawsuit-alleges-new-mexico-college-student-was-shunned-for-anti-gay-views/
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    Oct 17, 2014 2:29 AM GMT
    I have to say that I agree with the judge. Hate speech is protected too.
    Plus, if the professor had engaged the student in dialog there would've been an opportunity to change the students mind and help her grow. "What do you mean by that? Why do you believe that? What if you're wrong?" A better approach would be to invite a lesbian to the class to engage that student in a discussion in front of the class. It is much easier for bigots to sound off in a paper or online. But when faced with a human who is kind to you it's harder to spout off bigotry.
    Plus, now the bigot gets to play the part of the victim.
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    Oct 17, 2014 1:07 PM GMT
    I know someone who is the same way. If you don't agree with every utterance that comes out of his mouth, the bitchy little queen becomes defensive, abusive, and unfriends you on Facebook. Lol

    Come to think of it there are people like this on RJ. They tend to be the ultra liberal or ultra conservative.
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    Oct 17, 2014 1:09 PM GMT
    Wyndahoi saidI have to say that I agree with the judge. Hate speech is protected too.
    Plus, if the professor had engaged the student in dialog there would've been an opportunity to change the students mind and help her grow. "What do you mean by that? Why do you believe that? What if you're wrong?" A better approach would be to invite a lesbian to the class to engage that student in a discussion in front of the class. It is much easier for bigots to sound off in a paper or online. But when faced with a human who is kind to you it's harder to spout off bigotry.
    Plus, now the bigot gets to play the part of the victim.


    What?! Since when have college and universities been a place for the free exchange of ideas? icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif
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    Oct 17, 2014 1:43 PM GMT
    Schools have to remember there are students who are in it FOR the "free speech!" lawsuit and the associated attention, and NOTHING else. This one went into these classrooms with the very intention of things playing out exactly as it has so far. It was merely a matter of how "incendiary" she had to get before some professor took the bait.

    She has the right to express that "barren womb" opinion in her paper. In turn, the professor has the right to give her an 'F-minus' for violating the terms of the syllabus. Allow Miss Smarty-Pants to figure out how she can get her grade up on her own, if that indeed is her intention.

    Refusing to grade a student's work is what will get the professor in hot water; as the plaintiff alleges, it seems to me the professor theoretically violated the terms of her own syllabus by asking for "Open Minds". Yeah, it's 2014, but still, she can't possibly assume every teenager walking into the classroom has been raised and taught to have an "open mind" about matters of sexuality and orientation. This was the professor's opportunity to push the student to think critically and evolve. But she preferred to punt the student away because it was convenient for her.

    I can guarantee if I'm asked to review "Birth of a Nation" with an "open mind", a professor's going to get some of my "open mind" in the paper! And I may not earn an 'A-plus', but I will expect a grade for my trouble. Heck, even Seung-Hui Cho's nonsensical blather got graded! He did get booted from classes, but that was for being disruptive in the classroom, not for whacko opinions put to print.
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    Oct 17, 2014 1:51 PM GMT
    Wyndahoi said
    A better approach would be to invite a lesbian to the class to engage that student in a discussion in front of the class. It is much easier for bigots to sound off in a paper or online. But when faced with a human who is kind to you it's harder to spout off bigotry.

    In the senior high school political science class I taught I devoted 10 or 15 minutes at the beginning of class on M-W-F to discussing current US political events. Students would be assigned in advance to present something of their choosing, and bring in some news item to read and prompt discussion that I moderated.

    One day in 2004 a female student mentioned a gay marriage issue, I forget where or what it was. As I opened the class discussion this fundamentalist student jumped to his feet, without my first recognizing him, and literally started thumping over his head the Bible that he always carried in his backpack. They don't call them Bible Thumpers for nothing.

    He railed that God condemned homosexuals, and so therefore the US should never allow homos any civil rights at all. None of the students knew that *I* myself was a gay man. Nor did this particular young ranter know that his own aunt was a lesbian who worked at a gay bar I attended 20 miles away! Or that his grandmother, whom I assumed was straight, was also a regular patron there! He was ignorant in more ways than one.

    I would love to have demolished his statements myself, but that might have been unprofessional, and perhaps less effective than peer pressure.

    So I invited his fellow students to comment on his statements. They tore him apart. To the point where I had to intervene, and defend HIM, and his right to free speech. Just amazing, and in a conservative rural area.

    But even 10 years ago the attitudes of young people regarding gay rights were evolving. And we see it today in polling, where that generation is now in full influential adulthood. I witnessed it as a microcosm of what is happening throughout the US today.
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    Oct 17, 2014 2:09 PM GMT
    Wyndahoi saidI have to say that I agree with the judge. Hate speech is protected too.
    Plus, if the professor had engaged the student in dialog there would've been an opportunity to change the students mind and help her grow. "What do you mean by that? Why do you believe that? What if you're wrong?" A better approach would be to invite a lesbian to the class to engage that student in a discussion in front of the class. It is much easier for bigots to sound off in a paper or online. But when faced with a human who is kind to you it's harder to spout off bigotry.
    Plus, now the bigot gets to play the part of the victim.


    +1 This is exactly what the right is saying will happen if we get our way. It sounds like we just fed one into their hands.

    When a new diocese in our church starts permitting the blessing of same-gender marriages, the bishop's communication always makes a point of saying no priest or church will be forced to take part. We asked for a place at the table for EVERYBODY, not just ourselves.

    Of course, if the person's opinion becomes the minority, it's on them to defend it when others disagree with them. But I'd hate to see us get to a point where people are afraid to even voice their opinion.
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    Oct 17, 2014 5:03 PM GMT
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    Wyndahoi saidI have to say that I agree with the judge. Hate speech is protected too.
    Plus, if the professor had engaged the student in dialog there would've been an opportunity to change the students mind and help her grow. "What do you mean by that? Why do you believe that? What if you're wrong?" A better approach would be to invite a lesbian to the class to engage that student in a discussion in front of the class. It is much easier for bigots to sound off in a paper or online. But when faced with a human who is kind to you it's harder to spout off bigotry.
    Plus, now the bigot gets to play the part of the victim.


    +1 This is exactly what the right is saying will happen if we get our way. It sounds like we just fed one into their hands.

    When a new diocese in our church starts permitting the blessing of same-gender marriages, the bishop's communication always makes a point of saying no priest or church will be forced to take part. We asked for a place at the table for EVERYBODY, not just ourselves.

    Of course, if the person's opinion becomes the minority, it's on them to defend it when others disagree with them. But I'd hate to see us get to a point where people are afraid to even voice their opinion.


    "GET to a point?" In many parts of the country, usually those controlled by Democrats, we already ARE!
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    Oct 17, 2014 6:22 PM GMT
    Wyndahoi saidI have to say that I agree with the judge. Hate speech is protected too.
    Plus, if the professor had engaged the student in dialog there would've been an opportunity to change the students mind and help her grow. "What do you mean by that? Why do you believe that? What if you're wrong?" A better approach would be to invite a lesbian to the class to engage that student in a discussion in front of the class. It is much easier for bigots to sound off in a paper or online. But when faced with a human who is kind to you it's harder to spout off bigotry.
    Plus, now the bigot gets to play the part of the victim.


    I also agree with the judge.

    No doubt there were others in the class that agreed with the student. Permitting such speech increases the opportunities to express disagreement with the negative ideas expressed.
  • KissTheSky

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    Oct 19, 2014 10:31 PM GMT
    metta8 saidLawsuit alleges New Mexico college student was shunned for anti-gay views

    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2014/10/lawsuit-alleges-new-mexico-college-student-was-shunned-for-anti-gay-views/


    So the homophobic student is allowed to spout bigotry, but the professor is not allowed to disagree with her? What about the professor's freedom of speech?
    What if this conservative girl had been putting racist hate speech in her papers? Is the professor supposed to remain silent and give her an "A" because she expressed an opinion?
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    Oct 19, 2014 10:52 PM GMT
    We get to shun now? Cool.

    The student..."was kicked out of a class in 2012 for describing lesbianism as perverse..."

    Try purposely presenting your political science professor or your physics professor with a stupidly wrong answer and see if that doesn't get you kicked out of class.

    This is not a matter of free speech. This is a matter of getting the answer wrong.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wOUMd3bMRI
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    Oct 19, 2014 11:55 PM GMT
    MGINSD said
    ShiftyJK08 said
    Wyndahoi saidI have to say that I agree with the judge. Hate speech is protected too.
    Plus, if the professor had engaged the student in dialog there would've been an opportunity to change the students mind and help her grow. "What do you mean by that? Why do you believe that? What if you're wrong?" A better approach would be to invite a lesbian to the class to engage that student in a discussion in front of the class. It is much easier for bigots to sound off in a paper or online. But when faced with a human who is kind to you it's harder to spout off bigotry.
    Plus, now the bigot gets to play the part of the victim.


    +1 This is exactly what the right is saying will happen if we get our way. It sounds like we just fed one into their hands.

    When a new diocese in our church starts permitting the blessing of same-gender marriages, the bishop's communication always makes a point of saying no priest or church will be forced to take part. We asked for a place at the table for EVERYBODY, not just ourselves.

    Of course, if the person's opinion becomes the minority, it's on them to defend it when others disagree with them. But I'd hate to see us get to a point where people are afraid to even voice their opinion.


    "GET to a point?" In many parts of the country, usually those controlled by Democrats, we already ARE!



    The Bigots don't seem to be all that timid.