Whiteness Project

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    Oct 19, 2014 5:06 PM GMT
    Before you think not another race thread just take a look.

    This project aim is to conduct at least 1,000 interviews to gain the perspectives of white people across the United States. The interviews contain candid responses interviewees about their experinces on being white in their lives.

    Very interesting project in my honest opinion. I do believe more discussion on race should occur.

    Take a look and share your thoughts...

    Then again it may be wise to just comment to the project as race topics in RJ go south rather quickly.

    http://whitenessproject.org/
  • conservativej...

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    Oct 19, 2014 5:34 PM GMT
    Interesting. A series of guided interviews.
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    Oct 20, 2014 4:43 PM GMT
    Yeah! Now white people get a chance to whine. "Victimhood" status has come full circle. icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif
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    Oct 20, 2014 6:40 PM GMT
    "White privilege" only exists until you get pulled over and given a ticket for having a black man in your car in Arizona...oops I meant having an inoperative license plate light.
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    Oct 20, 2014 10:13 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan saidYeah! Now white people get a chance to whine. "Victimhood" status has come full circle. icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif


    So minorities are all victims? I don't know what your intent was, but that was an asinine comment.
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    Oct 20, 2014 11:09 PM GMT
    SF79 said
    UndercoverMan saidYeah! Now white people get a chance to whine. "Victimhood" status has come full circle. icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif


    So minorities are all victims? I don't know what your intent was, but that was an asinine comment.


    If you didn't get my intent then you really don't know if it was an asinine statement.

    No, not all minorities are victims. I know many minorities blacks, Latinos, Asians, etc. who are successful in spite of any adversity and bigotry they may have experienced in their lives. They are doctors, lawyers, engineers, blue collar workers, etc. They get up every morning and do what it takes to be "successful." The quotation marks are there to indicate that there are many ways to measure success. What's important to measure your success with your own yardstick and not comparing yourself to others.

    The "successful" became successful because they refuse to be a victim or to see themselves as a victim. Those who view themselves as victims more often than not blame someone else for their lack of "success." I'm not saying that people (of all races) do not experience adversity of some sort. I'm saying when they don't rise above it and choose to wallow in their victim hood they will not be or see themselves as "successful."
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    Oct 20, 2014 11:17 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan said
    SF79 said
    UndercoverMan saidYeah! Now white people get a chance to whine. "Victimhood" status has come full circle. icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif


    So minorities are all victims? I don't know what your intent was, but that was an asinine comment.


    If you didn't get my intent then you really don't know if it was an asinine statement.

    No, not all minorities are victims. I know many minorities blacks, Latinos, Asians, etc. who are successful in spite of any adversity and bigotry they may have experienced in their lives. They are doctors, lawyers, engineers, blue collar workers, etc. They get up every morning and do what it takes to be "successful." The quotation marks are there to indicate that there are many ways to measure success. What's important to measure your success with your own yardstick and not comparing yourself to others.

    The "successful" became successful because they refuse to be a victim or to see themselves as a victim. Those who view themselves as victims more often than not blame someone else for their lack of "success." I'm not saying that people (of all races) do not experience adversity of some sort. I'm saying when they don't rise above it and choose to wallow in their victim hood they will not be or see themselves as "successful."

    in b4 posts telling you to "check your white male privilege"
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    Oct 21, 2014 2:13 AM GMT
    ^ Not sure I catch your drift.
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    Oct 21, 2014 3:06 AM GMT
    UndercoverMan said^ Not sure I catch your drift.

    I'm saying that you'd better be careful with what you say...the RJ race baiters will be here to attack you soon.

    (Your post was DEAD ON BTW.)
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    Oct 21, 2014 4:28 AM GMT
    There will always be those who prefer to be victims and there will always be those who refuse to be victims and rise above their circumstances to better their lot in life. And that my friend has NOTHING to do with their skin color.

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    Oct 21, 2014 1:32 PM GMT
    Sucks but its just the way it is. icon_sad.gif
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    Oct 21, 2014 1:58 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan said
    SF79 said
    UndercoverMan saidYeah! Now white people get a chance to whine. "Victimhood" status has come full circle. icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif


    So minorities are all victims? I don't know what your intent was, but that was an asinine comment.


    If you didn't get my intent then you really don't know if it was an asinine statement.

    No, not all minorities are victims. I know many minorities blacks, Latinos, Asians, etc. who are successful in spite of any adversity and bigotry they may have experienced in their lives. They are doctors, lawyers, engineers, blue collar workers, etc. They get up every morning and do what it takes to be "successful." The quotation marks are there to indicate that there are many ways to measure success. What's important to measure your success with your own yardstick and not comparing yourself to others.

    The "successful" became successful because they refuse to be a victim or to see themselves as a victim. Those who view themselves as victims more often than not blame someone else for their lack of "success." I'm not saying that people (of all races) do not experience adversity of some sort. I'm saying when they don't rise above it and choose to wallow in their victim hood they will not be or see themselves as "successful."


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  • HottJoe

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    Oct 21, 2014 2:53 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan's advice would only be valid if we were on an even playing field. The fact is, starting in preschool, kids are treated differently based on things like race, which they are too young to process appropriately. NPR just exposed a phenomenon called the school to jail pipeline, which reveals that the tougher punishments and suspensions schools dole out disproportionately to black and latino students parallel racial profiling in the criminal justice system. In other words, if a white kid disrupts class they are rarely suspended,whereas a minority student is likely to be suspended for the same thing, and a lifetime of unequal treatment leads to a lifetime of oppression for men of color and a lifetime of unearned privilege for many white people.
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    Oct 21, 2014 4:02 PM GMT
    I like how most Americans make everything regarding race into a "black and white" issue. What about other races? Do blacks hangout with others races other than their own? When you go to the "hoods" all you can see is blacks hanging out with blacks and when it comes to dating, most blacks are what some PC queens of this site would call "sexual racists" because they only date within their own race. Also, what about affirmative action? Isn't affirmative action inherently racist? tsk tsk
  • HottJoe

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    Oct 21, 2014 4:41 PM GMT
    ^I work in one of the most diverse high traffic working class neighborhoods in my city (Midway area in St. Paul). The only race that seems conspicuously absent is white, (and the white people that are there are mainly poorer senior citizens, who have lived in that neighborhood since before the demographic shift). I get along with everyone that comes into the store. I'm super friendly, smile at everyone and treat everyone like a million bucks. A lot of my customers are immigrants and don't know a lot of English, but it's not a problem. I like the urban feel, and I'm laid back and cool with all the people I see. It's more enjoyable than dealing with many of the snobs I see in the other location I work in (Highland Park). It blows my mind that many of the white people I know are actually afraid to go into that area. It's a ten minute drive from anywhere in the city, but for some people it might as well be on another planet.
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    Oct 21, 2014 4:42 PM GMT
    pazzy said
    UndercoverMan said
    SF79 said
    UndercoverMan saidYeah! Now white people get a chance to whine. "Victimhood" status has come full circle. icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif


    So minorities are all victims? I don't know what your intent was, but that was an asinine comment.


    If you didn't get my intent then you really don't know if it was an asinine statement.

    No, not all minorities are victims. I know many minorities blacks, Latinos, Asians, etc. who are successful in spite of any adversity and bigotry they may have experienced in their lives. They are doctors, lawyers, engineers, blue collar workers, etc. They get up every morning and do what it takes to be "successful." The quotation marks are there to indicate that there are many ways to measure success. What's important to measure your success with your own yardstick and not comparing yourself to others.

    The "successful" became successful because they refuse to be a victim or to see themselves as a victim. Those who view themselves as victims more often than not blame someone else for their lack of "success." I'm not saying that people (of all races) do not experience adversity of some sort. I'm saying when they don't rise above it and choose to wallow in their victim hood they will not be or see themselves as "successful."


    so basically, you're not making sense.

    the point of the matter is that racism STILL exist and the effects of institutional racism is STILL present in american society which explains a lot.

    you basically saying that because you know a FEW people that happen to be nonwhite that made it despite what's going on doesn't change the fact that there's still a big disadvantage for nonwhites compared to whites which does affect their chances of being able to obtain a decent life where these stats SHOW the huge inequality going on where whites fair better than nonwhites in america in general from education to jobs. even you said it. affirmative action doesn't do shit as it hasn't reversed the damage that institutional racism has caused. to say people can "refuse" to be victims as if folks can basically control things that are beyond their reach such as the department of education, these mortgage companies, government, and etc etc is ridiculous. it's like telling someone that they can change their skin color or ethnicity. if you're trying to succeed and you have all these obstacles in your way trying to get you to FAIL, the odds are against you. put more people that are just like you and you're going to have MORE failures or half successes than actual successes.

    so your response about "victimization" really doesn't hold any weight and of course, those that ignore the facts and history of this country will actually believe that.



    How anyone can read that and say it "doesn't hold any weight" is either not comprehending or is being willfully ignorance. Pazzy.....I don't know how to say what I want to say to you without you thinking I'm attacking you, but trust me, that's not my intent. So I'll just say it: You exemplify the type of victim personality Undercoverman is talking about. You spend your every waking hour on this site complaining about racism and how shitty the world is, which leaves you no time to go out into the world and make something of yourself. How are you supposed to become one of those people who rise above adversity when you spend all your free time just complaining about it?
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    Oct 21, 2014 5:18 PM GMT
    pazzy said
    UndercoverMan said
    SF79 said
    UndercoverMan saidYeah! Now white people get a chance to whine. "Victimhood" status has come full circle. icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif


    So minorities are all victims? I don't know what your intent was, but that was an asinine comment.


    If you didn't get my intent then you really don't know if it was an asinine statement.

    No, not all minorities are victims. I know many minorities blacks, Latinos, Asians, etc. who are successful in spite of any adversity and bigotry they may have experienced in their lives. They are doctors, lawyers, engineers, blue collar workers, etc. They get up every morning and do what it takes to be "successful." The quotation marks are there to indicate that there are many ways to measure success. What's important to measure your success with your own yardstick and not comparing yourself to others.

    The "successful" became successful because they refuse to be a victim or to see themselves as a victim. Those who view themselves as victims more often than not blame someone else for their lack of "success." I'm not saying that people (of all races) do not experience adversity of some sort. I'm saying when they don't rise above it and choose to wallow in their victim hood they will not be or see themselves as "successful."


    so basically, you're not making sense.

    the point of the matter is that racism STILL exist and the effects of institutional racism is STILL present in american society which explains a lot.

    you basically saying that because you know a FEW people that happen to be nonwhite that made it despite what's going on doesn't change the fact that there's still a big disadvantage for nonwhites compared to whites which does affect their chances of being able to obtain a decent life where these stats SHOW the huge inequality going on where whites fair better than nonwhites in america in general from education to jobs. even you said it. affirmative action doesn't do shit as it hasn't reversed the damage that institutional racism has caused. to say people can "refuse" to be victims as if folks can basically control things that are beyond their reach such as the department of education, these mortgage companies, government, and etc etc is ridiculous. it's like telling someone that they can change their skin color or ethnicity. if you're trying to succeed and you have all these obstacles in your way trying to get you to FAIL, the odds are against you. put more people that are just like you and you're going to have MORE failures or half successes than actual successes.

    so your response about "victimization" really doesn't hold any weight and of course, those that ignore the facts and history of this country will actually believe that.


    The hand writing is on the wall, as they say, for your future Pazzy. In fact, it is within the very post that you have written.
  • Svnw688

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    Oct 21, 2014 5:44 PM GMT
    Speaking of the USA only:

    (1). Does institutional discrimination exist against women, LGBTs, and racial minorities? Yes. This is provable by peer reviewed and accepted studies documenting lower pay, higher loan interest rates, lower "call backs" when IDENTICAL resumes are submitted with only gendered or ethnic names replaced, etc.

    (2). Does every slight a woman, LGBT or racial minority suffer a form of discrimination (sexism, homophobia or racism)? No.

    (3). Does some "favored" classes (men, straights, whites) sometimes experience discrimination? Yes.

    (4). Do favored classes experience AS MUCH discrimination as minority classes overall? No.

    (5). Do particular favored class persons (men, straight, whites) experience more discrimination than some particular disfavored classes? Yes.

    (6). Do some minorities play the "victim" card too much? Yes.

    (7). Do some minorities suffer discrimination and fail to mention it (or play the "card") and suffer in silence? Yes.

    (8 ). Is discrimination still a serious problem in society today? Yes.

    (9). Is discrimination as bad as it was 20, 30 or 40 years ago? Studies and increased minority success suggest 'No'.

    The fundamental point is that there are two levels to the conversation of racism, sexism and homophobia in society. One is institutional or systematic. The other is particular and individualized. The simple truth is that, overall, you have better odds of success if you're a straight, white, male in USA society. Studies can prove that. The simple truth is that not every failing of a minority is attributable to discrimination. The simple truth is that anecdotal evidence, or stories that cut against proven privilege, do not negate that privilege.

  • coolarmydude

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    Oct 22, 2014 4:00 AM GMT
    We should all hop into my time machine and take a ride to 1991 in my Louisiana high school American History class. That was the year David Duke was running for governor. A debate broke out in class where some people actually defended David Duke. For those who don't know, he was a Grand Wizard of the KKK and still had a collection of White Power material in his home at the time. Anyway... In that same year there was a movie that premiered called Malcolm X. I don't remember how we got on that subject, but I distinctly remember how the whole debate ended. A jackass David Duke supporter declared "Fine! You wave your 'X;' we'll wave our 'X!'" icon_eek.gif Your 'X' referring to Malcolm X and our 'X' referring to the Confederate flag. But remember, that's heritage!! icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Oct 22, 2014 5:44 AM GMT
    pazzy saidi've read your blog, breh, so i know exactly where your head is at. you're one of those racist motherfuckers so i know you ain't gonna like me or black people anyway. so you can save your bullshit for somebody else that cares to read or listen to you. i'm not one of them.

    you're a joke.

    http://conservativejock.wordpress.com/category/niggers/

    from your blog.

    http://conservativejock.wordpress.com/2012/06/26/these-post-racial-integrated-times/

    I’m not quite as racist as I sound. I’m back in my home-town for a few days where I have a home in a fairly well integrated (black and white residence folks) neighborhood. Yes, as in many old southern cities there are million dollar homes and a short distance over one is in “the ghetto,” sort of. But damnit, you niggers stop throwing those chicken bones out in the street.

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    Anyways, this was an interesting project.
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  • Bowyn_Aerrow

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    Nov 03, 2014 11:39 PM GMT
    UndercoverMan said
    SF79 said
    UndercoverMan saidYeah! Now white people get a chance to whine. "Victimhood" status has come full circle. icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif


    So minorities are all victims? I don't know what your intent was, but that was an asinine comment.


    If you didn't get my intent then you really don't know if it was an asinine statement.

    No, not all minorities are victims. I know many minorities blacks, Latinos, Asians, etc. who are successful in spite of any adversity and bigotry they may have experienced in their lives. They are doctors, lawyers, engineers, blue collar workers, etc. They get up every morning and do what it takes to be "successful." The quotation marks are there to indicate that there are many ways to measure success. What's important to measure your success with your own yardstick and not comparing yourself to others.

    The "successful" became successful because they refuse to be a victim or to see themselves as a victim. Those who view themselves as victims more often than not blame someone else for their lack of "success." I'm not saying that people (of all races) do not experience adversity of some sort. I'm saying when they don't rise above it and choose to wallow in their victim hood they will not be or see themselves as "successful."


    No they were just the lucky ones who happened to get down the road far enough before the stomping foot of hatred started crushing their heads.

    "Success" in this world isn't about know-how, or how hard you work, its about know-who and how many you are willing to blow to get somewhere, figuratively or otherwise.

    Success happens if a person gets a windfall of money or happens to have been born to parents who have a few dimes more to rub together. Its class, not race that determines success.

    Unfortunately the 'minorities' have a much smaller base of money to start from. http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/poverty-rate-by-raceethnicity/

    This may seem like a 'chicken or the egg' question in your mind however history demonstrates that blacks in America were predominately freed slaves who had nothing after slavery was abolished. Followed by at least 150 years of being regulated to work which no white man would do for pay that was shameful.

    That really didn't end legally until the 1960's. But it still goes on.

    Several years ago a periodical did an interesting 'test' to see how far blacks had come in the corporate world. Two men were dressed in suits and given identical resumes, the only thing changed was the home address and name.

    Both articulate, both well dressed were called into interviews and guess what, one was hired more often by companies than the other. Based on experience? Education?

    No, because one was black and other was white, guess which one got the job more often than the other.

    Mind legally no one can hire or fire based on gender, age, race - but they still do it, they just come up with 'reasonable' reason why they picked John Q White over John Q. Black.

    Those who do succeed most likely have to work twice as hard than you to get there. no go back and look at your life and tell us how far you wouldn't have gotten had you had to do twice the work in every aspect. And please don't lie.