The truth the HIV positive rights advocates don't want you to look at

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    Oct 21, 2014 8:06 AM GMT
    There is a new trial of Prep In Sydney which is being heralded as the wonder drug that will save the gay community from itself. Let's look at some of the important facts before people start using this as the next party drug.

    These links are from the drug company itself which sells the medication

    http://start.truvada.com/individual/truvadaprep-questions#q02

    http://start.truvada.com/individual/hiv-medications

    http://start.truvada.com/individual/starting-truvadaprep

    http://www.acon.org.au/sites/default/files/PrEP-Position-Paper-2014.pdf

    [url]http://www.ajpmonline.org/article/S0749-3797(12)00683-6/pdf[/url]

    There is a lot of doubt and conjecture and I am concerned of not implemented right this measure of prevention will become a method of creating another major outbreak of HIV resistant to medication. The other problem is the financial side of things being the cost.

    Do you think the conservative majority will allow cuts to other program's just so gay men can continue a culture of high risk sexual practices
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    Oct 21, 2014 1:06 PM GMT
    They don't need a Hitler type to kill us off. They'll just trick us into doing it ourselves while they get rich from the profits.
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    Oct 21, 2014 9:41 PM GMT
    3 guys I know have died in the last three months from the complications of HIV. They extended their lives 15 or so years since being diagnosed but the side affects of the drugs finally killed them.

    Sex is easy enuf to get safely so I don't understand why guys take the risk with drugs that are confirmed as dangerous.
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    Oct 22, 2014 12:41 AM GMT
    Scruffypup saidThey don't need a Hitler type to kill us off. They'll just trick us into doing it ourselves while they get rich from the profits.


    There's already a hitler type trying to kill us off, his name is Obama and he's a liberal democrat.

    A majority of campaign contributions from truvada maker gilead went to Obama. Since April 2014 the cdc and now the Human Right Campaign are trying to stuff truvada down every US gays throat.

    Obama has greatly increased foreign aid to Nigeria, Pakistan and a slew of other anti gay countries who either imprison or stone gays to death after he promised to link foreign aid to gay rights. Well there's the link, he's financing the execution and imprisonment of gays while fooling liberal US gays into voting for democrats using tax breaks, government benefits and just plain lying.

    Here's video of liberal democrat obama praising his "good friend", the Sultan Of Brunei who passed a law to execute gays by stoning:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxX0Ni3L3bc

    http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/brunei-sharia-penal-code-gay-stoning

    Obama must approve of stoning gays to death because the video of him praising the sultan is still on the White House website.

    Obama is also negotiating a free trade agreement with his "good friend" the sultan:

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnbrinkley/2014/09/15/u-s-in-trade-talks-with-country-that-practices-sharia-law/

    Obama already signed a free trade agreement with El Salvador which now feels free to continue persecuting and murdering gays. Now the Episcopal-Anglican church is stepping in to help gays:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-m-weinberg/planting-seeds-of-change-as-lgbt-christians_b_5613175.html

    As a further reward to continue persecuting gays, the Obama administration will soon sign off on a $277 million five-year package of economic assistance for El Salvador.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2014/09/el-salvador-aid-deal-struck-111167.html
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    Oct 22, 2014 1:00 AM GMT
    Alpha13 said3 guys I know have died in the last three months from the complications of HIV. They extended their lives 15 or so years since being diagnosed but the side affects of the drugs finally killed them.

    Sex is easy enuf to get safely so I don't understand why guys take the risk with drugs that are confirmed as dangerous.


    Because it's not the same is usually the #1 or top 3 reasons why safe sex is passed on.
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    Oct 22, 2014 1:12 AM GMT
    Scruffypup saidThey don't need a Hitler type to kill us off. They'll just trick us into doing it ourselves while they get rich from the profits.


    That's an excellent observation and very accurate one to boot. I personally applaud any treatment that extends life and improves quality of life.

    Note that there are important qualifiers that seems to be missing from all of the talk about the efficacy of these treatments. Including that it is most effective in "Mutually monogamous relationships".

    Before I get howled down by people taking this concept personally, I have to state that I am not saying everyone should be monogamous, merely pointing out the proper context of a treatment that if not used in it's proper context has the potential to do the opposite of reducing HIV, instead spreading it and potentially reducing the efficacy of the current regime of ARRT drugs.

    http://www.afao.org.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/4594/Dec09_factsheet_swissstatement.pdf
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    Oct 22, 2014 1:42 AM GMT
    mx5guynj said
    Scruffypup saidThey don't need a Hitler type to kill us off. They'll just trick us into doing it ourselves while they get rich from the profits.

    There's already a hitler type trying to kill us off, his name is Obama and he's a liberal democrat.

    Yes, it's always best (and logical!) to demonize the other party, regardless of which side you're on.
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    Oct 22, 2014 11:18 AM GMT
    JuanPablomv89 saidStraight human beings will never accept us. We are a lifestyle,choice and a mental condition illness. They always mock,reject,judge,critize,direspect us.


    You need to find better straight friends.

    Mis amigos heterosexuales no son tan perjudiciales.
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    Oct 22, 2014 11:52 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidI knew that when I saw the title of this thread that it was started by none other than Sydneyflop. Your obsession with HIV is obvious.

    Do yourself a favor. Turn off your computer and leave the building. Your life is waiting for you.

    For an HIV- gay male you certainly have made HIV your complete focus in life. Oh and if you want to obsess on the prohibitive cost of HIV preventive measures think of all the money that first world countries waste on medical care to alleviate all ailments (diabetes,stroke, cardiovascular disease just to name a few) caused from people's lack of restraint when it comes to poor dietary choices or from chewing or smoking tobacco products. The number is astronomical compared to the finances delegated for HIV prevention and care.

    Such a small brained homosexual male you are obsessing on the sexual practices of other gay men. If you had a boyfriend and social life you probably wouldn't be here inundating the threads with topics you consciously choose to taint around the subject of HIV.

    Do everyone a favor and get a life.


    Why the hell are you even looking at my posts if you have such a problem with them. You hurl insults at me yet it seems clear the insults are actually more relevant to yourself. Go stick another steroid needle in your arm buddy and enjoy your tiny testicles
  • HottJoe

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    Oct 22, 2014 12:37 PM GMT
    Hmm, thanks in part to the POTUS, most of the people who came to my big legal church wedding were straight. The only place I encounter homophobia anymore is on the internet. Thanks, RJ.icon_confused.gif
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    Oct 22, 2014 2:45 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidI knew that when I saw the title of this thread that it was started by none other than Sydneyflop. Your obsession with HIV is obvious.

    Do yourself a favor. Turn off your computer and leave the building. Your life is waiting for you.

    For an HIV- gay male you certainly have made HIV your complete focus in life. Oh and if you want to obsess on the prohibitive cost of HIV preventive measures think of all the money that first world countries waste on medical care to alleviate all ailments (diabetes,stroke, cardiovascular disease just to name a few) caused from people's lack of restraint when it comes to poor dietary choices or from chewing or smoking tobacco products. The number is astronomical compared to the finances delegated for HIV prevention and care.

    Such a small brained homosexual male you are obsessing on the sexual practices of other gay men. If you had a boyfriend and social life you probably wouldn't be here inundating the threads with topics you consciously choose to taint around the subject of HIV.

    Do everyone a favor and get a life.


    Very well said and very true. Sydneyrustylock is constantly telling us what dreadful human beings gay people generally are. It's no wonder he's too scared to leave the house.
  • NealJohn

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    Oct 22, 2014 2:57 PM GMT
    From the minute these drugs rolled out I knew they were no good. Here's a thought: our community should stop barebacking and show some self control until an actual cure is developed . I can't stand people who bareback, so foolish and inconsiderate
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    Oct 22, 2014 3:06 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidHmm, thanks in part to the POTUS, most of the people who came to my big legal church wedding were straight. The only place I encounter homophobia anymore is on the internet. Thanks, RJ.icon_confused.gif


    Eric Holder and the courts had a lot more to do with it than Obama - Obama has pretty much been a no-show when it comes to LBTG rights
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    Oct 22, 2014 3:15 PM GMT
    NealJohn saidFrom the minute these drugs rolled out I knew they were no good. Here's a thought: our community should stop barebacking and show some self control until an actual cure is developed . I can't stand people who bareback, so foolish and inconsiderate


    There will be no cure for HIV-1, it mutates much too fast. Shit we don't even have a cure for Yellow Fever or Dengue Fever which mutate at a far slower rate



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    Oct 22, 2014 3:18 PM GMT
    tj85016 said... Eric Holder and the courts had a lot more to do with it than Obama - Obama has pretty much been a no-show when it comes to LBTG rights


    really now, there would be more gay rights for:
    John McCain or Sarah Palin
    or
    Mitt Romney & Paul Ryan


    didnt McCain recently pass away (RIP), imagine if Sarah Palin became president. In terms of gay rights?
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    Oct 22, 2014 3:37 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    And by the way, my monogamous boyfriend of seven months loves my genitalia.

    mmmm... I love Genitalia, too.

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    Oct 22, 2014 5:51 PM GMT
    tj85016 said
    HottJoe saidHmm, thanks in part to the POTUS, most of the people who came to my big legal church wedding were straight. The only place I encounter homophobia anymore is on the internet. Thanks, RJ.icon_confused.gif


    Eric Holder and the courts had a lot more to do with it than Obama - Obama has pretty much been a no-show when it comes to LBTG rights


    How about stop having unprotected sex so that this doesn't remain an issue? How about stop being promiscuous so that this doesn't remain an issue and the government doesn't have to get involved?
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    Oct 22, 2014 5:53 PM GMT
    tj85016 said
    HottJoe saidHmm, thanks in part to the POTUS, most of the people who came to my big legal church wedding were straight. The only place I encounter homophobia anymore is on the internet. Thanks, RJ.icon_confused.gif


    Eric Holder and the courts had a lot more to do with it than Obama - Obama has pretty much been a no-show when it comes to LBTG rights


    How about stop having unprotected sex so that this doesn't remain an issue? How about stop being promiscuous so that this doesn't remain an issue and the government doesn't have to get involved?
    How about spreading the story that being HIV poz is not a walk in the park even though there may be some medication that keep the symptoms at bay for some time?
  • Svnw688

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    Oct 22, 2014 7:57 PM GMT
    HIV is bad, but super-gonohorrea is bad too.

    Gonohorrea is no longer responding to penicillin, tetracycline, and fluoroquinolone. The only class of antibiotics left is cephalosporins. There are ALREADY strains of entirely resistant gonohorrea in Europe and Japan, and it's only a matter of time before most gonohorrea cases are UNTREATABLE.

    For the rest of your life, your dick or vagina will ooze white puss, and you'll have explosive diahrrea. You will not be able to stop your runny stools.

    If that isn't motivation to WRAP IT UP with a condom, then I don't know what is. Stop with the myopic focus on HIV please. There are MANY other STD/STIs out there, and gonohorrea USED to be one of the "okay and treatable" ones like syphillus, not anymore.

    Like mama said, if you play with fire, you get burnt.

    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/08/10/drug-resistant-gonorrhea.aspx
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    Oct 22, 2014 9:10 PM GMT
    Svnw688 saidHIV is bad, but super-gonohorrea is bad too.

    ...


    Thanks for the Halloween costume idea. Hummmmmmmm. Now how do I make myself look like oozy white pus wearing a green cape with a big G on it?
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    Oct 22, 2014 9:44 PM GMT
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    Svnw688 saidHIV is bad, but super-gonohorrea is bad too.
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    Thanks for the Halloween costume idea. Hummmmmmmm. Now how do I make myself look like oozy white pus wearing a green cape with a big G on it?

    This might be easier.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/emilyrides/4555696520/in/set-72157623937893518

    I even had one. Different design though. A coworker's girlfriend's father was a proctologist.
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    Oct 23, 2014 1:03 AM GMT
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    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidI knew that when I saw the title of this thread that it was started by none other than Sydneyflop. Your obsession with HIV is obvious.

    Do yourself a favor. Turn off your computer and leave the building. Your life is waiting for you.

    For an HIV- gay male you certainly have made HIV your complete focus in life. Oh and if you want to obsess on the prohibitive cost of HIV preventive measures think of all the money that first world countries waste on medical care to alleviate all ailments (diabetes,stroke, cardiovascular disease just to name a few) caused from people's lack of restraint when it comes to poor dietary choices or from chewing or smoking tobacco products. The number is astronomical compared to the finances delegated for HIV prevention and care.

    Such a small brained homosexual male you are obsessing on the sexual practices of other gay men. If you had a boyfriend and social life you probably wouldn't be here inundating the threads with topics you consciously choose to taint around the subject of HIV.

    Do everyone a favor and get a life.


    Very well said and very true. Sydneyrustylock is constantly telling us what dreadful human beings gay people generally are. It's no wonder he's too scared to leave the house.



    Another load of BS from Moronmuscle the steroid freak and you wanna join in. I'm too scared to leave the house?? You buddy are twice as stupid for following on from his crap as he is clearly an lunatic. I have a very fulfilling and adventurous life so I sure won't loose any sleep over another Generation X Gay trying to pretend that all is well, let's all just continue on as normal because Gay men as a community are doing so well.

    You know all the suicide rates, mental health problems (you and Moronmuscle aren't the only ones), substance use statistics the rates of STI infections of course they are just my imagination?? Well that might be the case in your world a being a halfwit, but back In the real world the rest of is live in these issues happen and these forums are where things like this should be discussed. If you don't like them start a new forum of your own and don't comment on mine.

    I have an excellent suggestion for you both of which The forum could be tittled "my life in a bubble of ignorance and how I want to keep you all In it'.

    As for my so called HIV agenda gees buddy I'm not the one who is claiming or defending those who are claiming that BB sex with HIV poz guys who are supposedly 'undetectable' while also at the same time saying condoms are less safe and less harmful just because a guy is taking a new medication.

    Truvada is not fool proof nor the other alternatives so I have every right to ask questions about it's efficacy.

    Reality is you don't like what is being said because you wish the world was the La La land you imagine in your head. Wake up idiots and don't just accept the findings of a Drug company no matter who is saying me too such as the CDC who just to remind you only is pushing this agenda because they have not been allowed to pass condoms for anal sex.

    There is always more to the story stop closing off your mind to other possibilities. Maybe you want to answer my forum question "would you have BB anal sex with a guy who is undetectable and on AART?? I still didn't see anyone who is HIV negative say they would
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    Oct 23, 2014 5:33 AM GMT
    Just starting to read the side effects of Truvada made me sick, thank you everyone but Ill stick with condoms.

    To the ones comparing HIV with other diseases, dont forget HIV is something you brought to yourself and that is contagious - that's the biggest difference.
  • frogman89

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    Oct 23, 2014 12:43 PM GMT
    I'm at a loss of words for the bullshit that's being propagandized here.
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    Oct 23, 2014 6:16 PM GMT
    frogman89 saidI'm at a loss of words for the bullshit that's being propagandized here.


    Really are you?? Very surprised as you are so ready to believe the bullshit you are being fed from the 'I can't just wear a condom which in conjunction with AART significantly reduce risk to a near negligible level (there is no proof that trasmissiom is not happen nor proof it hasn't happened check the fine print on the same site the efficacy of new AART came fromm)

    The biggest problem with Musclemoron, Frogboy and Timm55 is they have no idea that the most recent two men I dated are HIV poz. Of then one was open about it the other one did not disclose and attempted to persuade me into trying BB sex.

    The first of these two men was a gorgeous local 28yr old very fit who works out a lot, studies eats well and has adjusted to having acquired HIV long ago. He was not looking for BB sex and he followed his treatment regime. After speaking online for 2 weeks we had a great time and the sex was amazing. In order to re-assure him I wad very comfortable with him sexually so he came several times even first night while I didn't but immensely enjoyed it.

    While this dating sequence did not result in a relationship,HIV was not a factor and it was he who stated the obvious being that the sex was really hot but he wanted a serious boyfriend and therefore looking for someone who has similar hobbies and mutually shared activities.

    The second attempted to engage in receptive BB sex unlike on the first night of meeting me which didn't happen without adequate precaution however that wasn't for his lack of trying as he did for the second night. Unfortunately he developed an infection in his genitals resulting from one of his fitness activities, cycling. His testicles swelled to a dangerous level and so was taken to hospital. I visited him and soon saw the medication I had seen before for HIV. When he come back from hospital he attempted to initiate sex but was having difficulty as he had on his mind as he later confessed, that being disclosure of his HIV status, justifying his approach by saying he is undetectable and that he doesn't know of previous partners who have acquired HIV and that he often bare backed with HIV Negative sexual partners. I told him i don't have an issue with his HIV status but I do about his disregard. I have since been reading about the effects of genital and testicular inflammation and how it affects HIV and I was concerned when mentioned that his medical condition of which he had spent time in hospital with compromised his undect-able status.

    His doctor who works at the very busy hospital he was at which is located only 200 metres from Sydney's Gay Iconic Oxford Street where the Mardi Gras takes place, (mentioned because they are very experienced in dealing with HIV poz patients, indicated to me there was no evidence of non-compliance with his treatment, but he had other risk factors present due to his latest medical condition. I chose not to pursue further dating and to only be friends as I have more self worth than to place myself at risk from his obvious disregard for the safety of others. He was aware I had just finished an education course on relationships run by ACON which included information about the latest treatments.

    I also dated another poz guy last year before he got a great job on other side of Australia. The guy is a very healthy fit personal trainer (actually He is a stunningly hunky man and very intelligent and charming) who unfortunately, despite as he suggested being theoretically undetectable following 12 months of AART therapy was actually having regular blips due non compliance with the required regime.

    As I saw reason to be concerned about his emotional state and his increasingly obvious substance misuse benders, I doubted his adherence to his medication regime and follow up visits to ACON and I wad vindicated in my suspicion when I pressed him and he opened up about missing treatment at a rate of 1-3 days at a time approximately every 2 week period.

    Each of these guys are HIV Poz and They told me they are on treatment (delayed in two of the cases) and It did not deter me nor should it because any new partner could have contracted HIV or other STI.

    Did I ask them about how they acquired it?? No none of my business.

    Did I put special conditions on them before agreeing to sleep with them such as top only ect. ? No nor should I. The interesting part is though the attitudes of the individual men.

    The personal trainer I dated last year was wanting to BB but didn't disclose the first time we were intimate but came through the second. He tried to tell me he was on treatment and BB would be ok. I declined to engage and at the advise of another friend working for ACON (mutual friend of RJ member NICKK, which led to my first rapid test which included education on safer sex and latest treatments.

    I actually couldn't give a flying fuck if you believe this true or not and I have many more. If you think I am just a slut shammer or whatever other crap you wanna spit at me about any of it. Go wipe the egg off your face idiots who don't read my posts and then spit vitriolic responses at me