OSCAR PISTORIUS SENTENCE ATROCITY

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    Oct 22, 2014 9:45 PM GMT
    Okay so granted I don't know how South African's actually view or feel about this case nor am I privy to any information that the judge would know but the sentence he got is so fucking stupid.
    10 months for TAKING A LIFE!!
    Yeah he was sentenced for 5 years but we all know he's going to buy his way out after 10 months!
    What really shits me was that the entire time, they kept making him seem like he was the victim for being sent to jail.
    He'll be broken?!?! Oh well sorry but you fucking killed someone asshole. You shouldn't kill someone if you aren't prepared to go to prison for it!

    What's so fucking annoying, and yeah call me a feminist or whatever I don't care, is that this basically preaches that violence against women is tolerated because the punishment is abysmally small, and that if you're rich enough don't expect a real sentencing.

    I can't help it but this really shits me like what the fuck is wrong with people.
    It's like they were happy to reduce the gravity of the situation of what he did because he's disabled.
    HE KILLED AN INNOCENT WOMAN no matter what way people try to swig it.

    It's unbeknownst to me how he would have shot her in the hip first and still pump another 3 bullets into her without her screaming out to him before the next three bullets were shot.

    If I were a woman in South Africa I would get the fuck out because there was no justice served here.
    The fact that the family could even say they were happy with the sentence just makes me think that violence against woman is so tolerated, it's even deeply ingrained into the women of that society.
  • HottJoe

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    Oct 22, 2014 10:28 PM GMT
    People get away with light sentences and acquittals for murder in the U.S. as well, all the time. For some reason, you can kill someone in cold blood and pretty much get away with it, as long you say you were the victim. People see murderers as victims, even if they are in fact psycho mass killers. Plus, everyone keeps loaded guns in their house, and they're all itching to pull the trigger the first chance they get. People like Oscar Pistorius and George Zimmerman are opportunistic killers, because they put themselves in situations where they know they can commit murder by claiming it was self-defense. Cops do it too. It's sick.
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    Oct 22, 2014 11:46 PM GMT
    I agree.
    That's why I'm still surprised how long it's taking for gun laws to change.
    Where I live, there was one mass public shooting in history and we changed gun restrictions straight away. There are particular police patrols that don't even carry guns.
    U.S primary schools have been victims of public shootings and the laws still don't seem to really budge. That's so scary that even in the wake of something like that, people still feel so entitled to their guns.
    Anyway I guess it's not my place to say.
    It just saddens me that people get away with stuff like this.
    Law supposedly being about justice, it is also just as much about finding the loopholes to allow people to get away with atrocious things scot-free.
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    Oct 23, 2014 5:41 PM GMT
    Well maybe he should have been sent to Syria, where the religious army could saw off his head while making a video?

    Would that be proper punishment for an accidental killing?

    I think that we can be thankful that of all the former British colonies in Africa, at least one (and probably the only one) has relatively fair judicial system, where there is actual law, and it law is actually observed (for the most part) by the government. He wasn't convicted of murder - but of manslaughter (or their equivalent). The court determined, according to the laws of South Africa, that it was negligent or accidental, and not intentional (the OP would supplant the legal verdict with his own opinion of the facts). In most democratic countries (pretty much limited to parts of the northern hemisphere) accidental killing, or "manslaughter" is given a much lighter sentence than intentional killing.

    Maybe the OP should move to South Africa, and try to get their legal system changed - How about a popular vote on whether someone is innocent or guilty? And on what the sentence should be? Isn't that what Paris had in 1791? Satisfied the mobs, if nothing else.
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    Oct 23, 2014 6:26 PM GMT
    Puppenjunge saidWell maybe he should have been sent to Syria, where the religious army could saw off his head while making a video?

    Would that be proper punishment for an accidental killing?

    I think that we can be thankful that of all the former British colonies in Africa, at least one (and probably the only one) has relatively fair judicial system, where there is actual law, and it law is actually observed (for the most part) by the government. He wasn't convicted of murder - but of manslaughter (or their equivalent). The court determined, according to the laws of South Africa, that it was negligent or accidental, and not intentional (the OP would supplant the legal verdict with his own opinion of the facts). In most democratic countries (pretty much limited to parts of the northern hemisphere) accidental killing, or "manslaughter" is given a much lighter sentence than intentional killing.

    Maybe the OP should move to South Africa, and try to get their legal system changed - How about a popular vote on whether someone is innocent or guilty? And on what the sentence should be? Isn't that what Paris had in 1791? Satisfied the mobs, if nothing else.

    I stopped reading at "accidental killing."

    This story reminds me of the musical Chicago, when the female inmate says, "He ran into my knife. He ran into my knife 10 times."

    Riiiight.
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    Oct 24, 2014 1:41 AM GMT
    HottJoe said
    Puppenjunge saidWell maybe he should have been sent to Syria, where the religious army could saw off his head while making a video?

    Would that be proper punishment for an accidental killing?

    I think that we can be thankful that of all the former British colonies in Africa, at least one (and probably the only one) has relatively fair judicial system, where there is actual law, and it law is actually observed (for the most part) by the government. He wasn't convicted of murder - but of manslaughter (or their equivalent). The court determined, according to the laws of South Africa, that it was negligent or accidental, and not intentional (the OP would supplant the legal verdict with his own opinion of the facts). In most democratic countries (pretty much limited to parts of the northern hemisphere) accidental killing, or "manslaughter" is given a much lighter sentence than intentional killing.

    Maybe the OP should move to South Africa, and try to get their legal system changed - How about a popular vote on whether someone is innocent or guilty? And on what the sentence should be? Isn't that what Paris had in 1791? Satisfied the mobs, if nothing else.

    I stopped reading at "accidental killing."

    This story reminds me of the musical Chicago, when the female inmate says, "He ran into my knife. He ran into my knife 10 times."

    Riiiight.


    +1
    Accidental killing my ass.
    The fact that so much of his story didn't line up with the chronology of events and they still find him innocent is beyond fucked.
    Regardless, 10 months for taking a life is stupidly ridiculous and an absolute insult to the victim's family.
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    Oct 24, 2014 3:35 AM GMT
    MartyredNeons said
    HottJoe said
    Puppenjunge saidWell maybe he should have been sent to Syria, where the religious army could saw off his head while making a video?

    Would that be proper punishment for an accidental killing?

    I think that we can be thankful that of all the former British colonies in Africa, at least one (and probably the only one) has relatively fair judicial system, where there is actual law, and it law is actually observed (for the most part) by the government. He wasn't convicted of murder - but of manslaughter (or their equivalent). The court determined, according to the laws of South Africa, that it was negligent or accidental, and not intentional (the OP would supplant the legal verdict with his own opinion of the facts). In most democratic countries (pretty much limited to parts of the northern hemisphere) accidental killing, or "manslaughter" is given a much lighter sentence than intentional killing.

    Maybe the OP should move to South Africa, and try to get their legal system changed - How about a popular vote on whether someone is innocent or guilty? And on what the sentence should be? Isn't that what Paris had in 1791? Satisfied the mobs, if nothing else.

    I stopped reading at "accidental killing."

    This story reminds me of the musical Chicago, when the female inmate says, "He ran into my knife. He ran into my knife 10 times."

    Riiiight.


    +1
    Accidental killing my ass.
    The fact that so much of his story didn't line up with the chronology of events and they still find him innocent is beyond fucked.
    Regardless, 10 months for taking a life is stupidly ridiculous and an absolute insult to the victim's family.

    If you are lucky, you and any of your friends may never have a car accident when you or they have had anything to drink, and someone dies - and thus never discover first hand what 2nd degree murder or manslaughter is.
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    Oct 24, 2014 9:18 AM GMT
    Puppenjunge said
    MartyredNeons said
    HottJoe said
    Puppenjunge saidWell maybe he should have been sent to Syria, where the religious army could saw off his head while making a video?

    Would that be proper punishment for an accidental killing?

    I think that we can be thankful that of all the former British colonies in Africa, at least one (and probably the only one) has relatively fair judicial system, where there is actual law, and it law is actually observed (for the most part) by the government. He wasn't convicted of murder - but of manslaughter (or their equivalent). The court determined, according to the laws of South Africa, that it was negligent or accidental, and not intentional (the OP would supplant the legal verdict with his own opinion of the facts). In most democratic countries (pretty much limited to parts of the northern hemisphere) accidental killing, or "manslaughter" is given a much lighter sentence than intentional killing.

    Maybe the OP should move to South Africa, and try to get their legal system changed - How about a popular vote on whether someone is innocent or guilty? And on what the sentence should be? Isn't that what Paris had in 1791? Satisfied the mobs, if nothing else.

    I stopped reading at "accidental killing."

    This story reminds me of the musical Chicago, when the female inmate says, "He ran into my knife. He ran into my knife 10 times."

    Riiiight.


    +1
    Accidental killing my ass.
    The fact that so much of his story didn't line up with the chronology of events and they still find him innocent is beyond fucked.
    Regardless, 10 months for taking a life is stupidly ridiculous and an absolute insult to the victim's family.

    If you are lucky, you and any of your friends may never have a car accident when you or they have had anything to drink, and someone dies - and thus never discover first hand what 2nd degree murder or manslaughter is.


    Oh right yeah because I thought someone was robbing the toiletries in my house I 'accidentally' ran them over. That scenario is hardly relatable to what Oscar did.
    A car accident yeah perhaps but if the driver was under the influence of something then yes that is complete negligence on their part. There is no reason to drink and drive. Period. Plus I don't drink, not even socially.
    Shooting your girlfriend four times hiding inside the toilet is hardly an accident. Having numerous loopholes in your story with details changing throughout your testimony and still being found innocent is not an accident.

    Maybe 10 months is reasonable for someone killing an innocent for you, but I'm pretty sure most others find this extremely stupid.
    Do you honestly think he's the victim here?
    Here's a better question.
    Do you think that in the exact same situation with the exact same testimony, a poorer black man would receive the same sentence as Oscar?
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    Oct 24, 2014 2:13 PM GMT
    Puppenjunge said
    MartyredNeons said
    HottJoe said
    Puppenjunge saidWell maybe he should have been sent to Syria, where the religious army could saw off his head while making a video?

    Would that be proper punishment for an accidental killing?

    I think that we can be thankful that of all the former British colonies in Africa, at least one (and probably the only one) has relatively fair judicial system, where there is actual law, and it law is actually observed (for the most part) by the government. He wasn't convicted of murder - but of manslaughter (or their equivalent). The court determined, according to the laws of South Africa, that it was negligent or accidental, and not intentional (the OP would supplant the legal verdict with his own opinion of the facts). In most democratic countries (pretty much limited to parts of the northern hemisphere) accidental killing, or "manslaughter" is given a much lighter sentence than intentional killing.

    Maybe the OP should move to South Africa, and try to get their legal system changed - How about a popular vote on whether someone is innocent or guilty? And on what the sentence should be? Isn't that what Paris had in 1791? Satisfied the mobs, if nothing else.

    I stopped reading at "accidental killing."

    This story reminds me of the musical Chicago, when the female inmate says, "He ran into my knife. He ran into my knife 10 times."

    Riiiight.


    +1
    Accidental killing my ass.
    The fact that so much of his story didn't line up with the chronology of events and they still find him innocent is beyond fucked.
    Regardless, 10 months for taking a life is stupidly ridiculous and an absolute insult to the victim's family.

    If you are lucky, you and any of your friends may never have a car accident when you or they have had anything to drink, and someone dies - and thus never discover first hand what 2nd degree murder or manslaughter is.

    It wasn't an accident. Anyone who sides with this murderer is obviously lying to themselves. It's quite impossible to accidentally aim your gun and shoot someone four times while they are screaming for mercy.

    It's unconscionable that people would deny justice for the victim, just to lick some psychopathic athlete's ass.
  • HottJoe

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    Oct 24, 2014 2:15 PM GMT
    Besides, actual accidental shootings (which do occur, although that obviously wasn't the case here) are all the more reason to ban guns.icon_idea.gif
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    Oct 24, 2014 5:23 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    Puppenjunge said
    MartyredNeons said
    HottJoe said
    Puppenjunge saidWell maybe he should have been sent to Syria, where the religious army could saw off his head while making a video?

    Would that be proper punishment for an accidental killing?

    I think that we can be thankful that of all the former British colonies in Africa, at least one (and probably the only one) has relatively fair judicial system, where there is actual law, and it law is actually observed (for the most part) by the government. He wasn't convicted of murder - but of manslaughter (or their equivalent). The court determined, according to the laws of South Africa, that it was negligent or accidental, and not intentional (the OP would supplant the legal verdict with his own opinion of the facts). In most democratic countries (pretty much limited to parts of the northern hemisphere) accidental killing, or "manslaughter" is given a much lighter sentence than intentional killing.

    Maybe the OP should move to South Africa, and try to get their legal system changed - How about a popular vote on whether someone is innocent or guilty? And on what the sentence should be? Isn't that what Paris had in 1791? Satisfied the mobs, if nothing else.

    I stopped reading at "accidental killing."

    This story reminds me of the musical Chicago, when the female inmate says, "He ran into my knife. He ran into my knife 10 times."

    Riiiight.


    +1
    Accidental killing my ass.
    The fact that so much of his story didn't line up with the chronology of events and they still find him innocent is beyond fucked.
    Regardless, 10 months for taking a life is stupidly ridiculous and an absolute insult to the victim's family.

    If you are lucky, you and any of your friends may never have a car accident when you or they have had anything to drink, and someone dies - and thus never discover first hand what 2nd degree murder or manslaughter is.

    It wasn't an accident. Anyone who sides with this murderer is obviously lying to themselves. It's quite impossible to accidentally aim your gun and shoot someone four times while they are screaming for mercy.

    It's unconscionable that people would deny justice for the victim, just to lick some psychopathic athlete's ass.

    Justice? What do you know is justice in this case? You weren't there. Let's hope you never have to serve on a criminal jury. You would actually have to decide whether to follow the law or your gut feelings on what justice is. Maybe it's a good policy for South Africa not to have juries, so they can use decision makers that can act on reason instead of their emotions.
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    Oct 24, 2014 5:38 PM GMT
    MartyredNeons said
    Puppenjunge said
    MartyredNeons said
    HottJoe said
    Puppenjunge saidWell maybe he should have been sent to Syria, where the religious army could saw off his head while making a video?

    Would that be proper punishment for an accidental killing?

    I think that we can be thankful that of all the former British colonies in Africa, at least one (and probably the only one) has relatively fair judicial system, where there is actual law, and it law is actually observed (for the most part) by the government. He wasn't convicted of murder - but of manslaughter (or their equivalent). The court determined, according to the laws of South Africa, that it was negligent or accidental, and not intentional (the OP would supplant the legal verdict with his own opinion of the facts). In most democratic countries (pretty much limited to parts of the northern hemisphere) accidental killing, or "manslaughter" is given a much lighter sentence than intentional killing.

    Maybe the OP should move to South Africa, and try to get their legal system changed - How about a popular vote on whether someone is innocent or guilty? And on what the sentence should be? Isn't that what Paris had in 1791? Satisfied the mobs, if nothing else.

    I stopped reading at "accidental killing."

    This story reminds me of the musical Chicago, when the female inmate says, "He ran into my knife. He ran into my knife 10 times."

    Riiiight.


    +1
    Accidental killing my ass.


    and they still find him innocent is beyond fucked.

    If you are lucky, you and any of your friends may never have a car accident when you or they have had anything to drink, and someone dies - and thus never discover first hand what 2nd degree murder or manslaughter is.


    Maybe 10 months is reasonable for someone killing an innocent for you, but I'm pretty sure most others find this extremely stupid.
    Do you honestly think he's the victim here?
    Here's a better question.
    Do you think that in the exact same situation with the exact same testimony, a poorer black man would receive the same sentence as Oscar?

    Try getting your fact straight - at least as to what has been officialy published. He was not found to be "innocent." He was found "guilty," just not of the charge you thought he should be found guilty for.

    He did not get 10 months - he got 5 years.

    Race had nothing to do with it. Perhaps you are blind? The judge who decided this case was a black woman. And since it seems you would not be aware, the ANC (the black revolutionary party) is in total control of the government there, and has been since Mandela was elected president in 1991 - over 20 years ago.

  • HottJoe

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    Oct 24, 2014 5:56 PM GMT
    Puppenjunge said
    HottJoe said
    Puppenjunge said
    MartyredNeons said
    HottJoe said
    Puppenjunge saidWell maybe he should have been sent to Syria, where the religious army could saw off his head while making a video?

    Would that be proper punishment for an accidental killing?

    I think that we can be thankful that of all the former British colonies in Africa, at least one (and probably the only one) has relatively fair judicial system, where there is actual law, and it law is actually observed (for the most part) by the government. He wasn't convicted of murder - but of manslaughter (or their equivalent). The court determined, according to the laws of South Africa, that it was negligent or accidental, and not intentional (the OP would supplant the legal verdict with his own opinion of the facts). In most democratic countries (pretty much limited to parts of the northern hemisphere) accidental killing, or "manslaughter" is given a much lighter sentence than intentional killing.

    Maybe the OP should move to South Africa, and try to get their legal system changed - How about a popular vote on whether someone is innocent or guilty? And on what the sentence should be? Isn't that what Paris had in 1791? Satisfied the mobs, if nothing else.

    I stopped reading at "accidental killing."

    This story reminds me of the musical Chicago, when the female inmate says, "He ran into my knife. He ran into my knife 10 times."

    Riiiight.


    +1
    Accidental killing my ass.
    The fact that so much of his story didn't line up with the chronology of events and they still find him innocent is beyond fucked.
    Regardless, 10 months for taking a life is stupidly ridiculous and an absolute insult to the victim's family.

    If you are lucky, you and any of your friends may never have a car accident when you or they have had anything to drink, and someone dies - and thus never discover first hand what 2nd degree murder or manslaughter is.

    It wasn't an accident. Anyone who sides with this murderer is obviously lying to themselves. It's quite impossible to accidentally aim your gun and shoot someone four times while they are screaming for mercy.

    It's unconscionable that people would deny justice for the victim, just to lick some psychopathic athlete's ass.

    Justice? What do you know is justice in this case? You weren't there. Let's hope you never have to serve on a criminal jury. You would actually have to decide whether to follow the law or your gut feelings on what justice is. Maybe it's a good policy for South Africa not to have juries, so they can use decision makers that can act on reason instead of their emotions.

    Like it's reasonable to shoot your girlfriend while she's in the bathroom?

    Only an idiot would believe his story that he thought it was an intruder.
  • HottJoe

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    Oct 24, 2014 7:43 PM GMT
    Jockbod48 saidHard to believe that Pistorius got the minor slap on the wrist in the same week that a house burglar in my area here got 33 years in the slammer:

    Justin Ralph Mitchell, 27, of Redwood City, who was convicted in June of two Woodside residential burglaries, was sentenced to 33 years in state prison on Friday, Oct. 17.

    Mr. Mitchell's "crime spree" in October 2013 included two nighttime burglaries of occupied residences in Woodside, five commercial burglaries and several identity theft felonies, San Mateo County prosecutors said. A jury convicted him on 20 of 21 counts.

    Yeah, but was the burglar a professional athlete?icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Oct 25, 2014 1:02 AM GMT
    Puppenjunge said
    MartyredNeons said
    Puppenjunge said
    MartyredNeons said
    HottJoe said
    Puppenjunge saidWell maybe he should have been sent to Syria, where the religious army could saw off his head while making a video?

    Would that be proper punishment for an accidental killing?

    I think that we can be thankful that of all the former British colonies in Africa, at least one (and probably the only one) has relatively fair judicial system, where there is actual law, and it law is actually observed (for the most part) by the government. He wasn't convicted of murder - but of manslaughter (or their equivalent). The court determined, according to the laws of South Africa, that it was negligent or accidental, and not intentional (the OP would supplant the legal verdict with his own opinion of the facts). In most democratic countries (pretty much limited to parts of the northern hemisphere) accidental killing, or "manslaughter" is given a much lighter sentence than intentional killing.

    Maybe the OP should move to South Africa, and try to get their legal system changed - How about a popular vote on whether someone is innocent or guilty? And on what the sentence should be? Isn't that what Paris had in 1791? Satisfied the mobs, if nothing else.

    I stopped reading at "accidental killing."

    This story reminds me of the musical Chicago, when the female inmate says, "He ran into my knife. He ran into my knife 10 times."

    Riiiight.


    +1
    Accidental killing my ass.


    and they still find him innocent is beyond fucked.

    If you are lucky, you and any of your friends may never have a car accident when you or they have had anything to drink, and someone dies - and thus never discover first hand what 2nd degree murder or manslaughter is.


    Maybe 10 months is reasonable for someone killing an innocent for you, but I'm pretty sure most others find this extremely stupid.
    Do you honestly think he's the victim here?
    Here's a better question.
    Do you think that in the exact same situation with the exact same testimony, a poorer black man would receive the same sentence as Oscar?

    Try getting your fact straight - at least as to what has been officialy published. He was not found to be "innocent." He was found "guilty," just not of the charge you thought he should be found guilty for.

    He did not get 10 months - he got 5 years.

    Race had nothing to do with it. Perhaps you are blind? The judge who decided this case was a black woman. And since it seems you would not be aware, the ANC (the black revolutionary party) is in total control of the government there, and has been since Mandela was elected president in 1991 - over 20 years ago.



    Read my first post.
    I know he got 5 years but after serving 1/5 of his sentence he is allowed bail which we know in 10 months time he's going to buy himself out of jail.
    Regardless of the judge's race or gender, answer my actual question.
    Do you honestly think if it were a poorer black man instead of Oscar on trial for the exact same thing, he would get the same amount of leniency in his sentence, especially if he too also had Oscar's 'gun' fanaticism?
  • Saffron69

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    Oct 25, 2014 6:48 AM GMT
    As a South African who lives in South Africa (a lot of us r scattered everywhere) I daresay I speak for most of us when I say this trial was horseshit from the start. If they were really going to find put him in jail they would've charged him with 2nd degree murder instead of 1st degree. This was obviously a crime of passion Riva was pregnant with another man's baby n he brooded about it until he exploded. Even if he did plan it a sound lawyer wud have went for second degree. Most of us knew how this trail would end. Oscars sold his houses a couple days before sentencing. Get out of jail cards r very expensive I suppose. As for Riva's family one of my friends says they're probably either being threatened or payed off or even both not purse this. We wouldn't want a reapt of what happen the the Brown family civil suit now would we... sarcasm aside Oscar should take a real long look at OJ Simpson... karma is a bitch!
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    Oct 25, 2014 7:55 AM GMT
    ""I'm going to start by naming the victim. Her name was Reeva Steenkamp. I'm starting with Reeva because, like so many female victims of violence and abuse, her name has been lost, worse still: voluntarily disregarded. In a Twittersphere where language is edited and words counted and capped, it is language that has most shocked me today, the day that Oscar Pistorious was sentenced to five years for the 'culpable homicide' of his girlfriend, Reeva. He will probably only serve 10 months.

    If you think the South African judiciary system has failed Reeva, it has company: language has failed her too. It fails women time and time again. In South Africa, a woman is killed by domestic violence on average every eight hours. In the UK, on average, 2 women a week are killed by a current or former male partner. Yet how often do we speak their names?""


    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/kat-lister/reeva-steenkamp-simon-jenkins_b_6021076.html
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    Oct 25, 2014 11:14 AM GMT
    MartyredNeons saidthis basically preaches that violence against women is tolerated because the punishment is abysmally small


    Cry me a river. A few year ago some bitch cut off her partner's dick after he filed a divorce. This was Sharon Osbourne and her sassy, strong, powerful feminist women who don't need no man audience/friends' reaction:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnXCPcq_RTY

    Please take your feminist social justice bullshit elsewhere.

    Pistorious got a lenient sentence because the law in South Africa is lenient. Why do you think that country is so crime-ridden? Impunity is the norm over there, not a privilege for rich people.
    Besides, South Africa is a liberal paradise where firearms sales is heavily regulated by a benevolent government, but surprisingly they still have one of the world's highest homicide rates.
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    Oct 25, 2014 1:10 PM GMT
    AaronH20P said

    Pistorious got a lenient sentence because the law in South Africa is lenient. Why do you think that country is so crime-ridden? Impunity is the norm over there, not a privilege for rich people.
    Besides, South Africa is a liberal paradise where firearms sales is heavily regulated by a benevolent government, but surprisingly they still have one of the world's highest homicide rates.


    brilliant point !

    except it is not because it is a lenient country but because it is a run by a corrupt morally rotten government - the biggest crook of all is the president
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    Oct 25, 2014 7:48 PM GMT
    secondstartotheright saidAaronH20P said

    brilliant point !

    except it is not because it is a lenient country but because it is a run by a corrupt morally rotten government - the biggest crook of all is the president

    Wait - the president really loves women - Doesn't he have 6 wives now?
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    Oct 26, 2014 6:37 AM GMT
    Suetonius said
    secondstartotheright saidAaronH20P said

    brilliant point !

    except it is not because it is a lenient country but because it is a run by a corrupt morally rotten government - the biggest crook of all is the president

    Wait - the president really loves women - Doesn't he have 6 wives now?

    its far worse than that

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/29/jacob-zuma-accused-corruption-south-africa

    ""Zuma was accused of deceiving parliament about the expense and scope of the security upgrade to his residence in a scathing draft report by the country's anti-graft watchdog, entitled 'Opulence on a Grand Scale', that was leaked to the Mail & Guardian newspaper. Opposition parties said that, if the findings are upheld in the final report, the president should face a parliamentary investigation with the potential to lead to his impeachment.

    The scandal over state-sponsored construction at Zuma's private residence in Nkandla, a modest rural town in KwaZulu-Natal province, has been rumbling since a December 2009 article in the Mail & Guardian about a 65m rand (£3.9m) "splurge" there.

    The cost soared in the intervening years to 215m rand, with a further 31m rand in works outstanding, triggering intense media scrutiny and public condemnation, as well as an investigation by official public protector Thuli Madonsela. The acrimony over "Nkandlagate" has intensified in recent weeks as ministers went to court in an attempt to block the release of her report, while newspapers published photos of the home in defiance of a government warning that this might break security laws."" -- from the above article
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    Oct 26, 2014 4:07 PM GMT
    Saffron69 saidAs a South African who lives in South Africa (a lot of us r scattered everywhere) I daresay I speak for most of us when I say this trial was horseshit from the start. If they were really going to find put him in jail they would've charged him with 2nd degree murder instead of 1st degree. This was obviously a crime of passion Riva was pregnant with another man's baby n he brooded about it until he exploded. Even if he did plan it a sound lawyer wud have went for second degree. Most of us knew how this trail would end. Oscars sold his houses a couple days before sentencing. Get out of jail cards r very expensive I suppose. As for Riva's family one of my friends says they're probably either being threatened or payed off or even both not purse this. We wouldn't want a reapt of what happen the the Brown family civil suit now would we... sarcasm aside Oscar should take a real long look at OJ Simpson... karma is a bitch!


    Riva was pregnant? We never heard that in the media here in the US.