No such thing as Gay

  • MartinMPL

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    Oct 25, 2014 7:31 AM GMT
    Ok im going to write about this. i hate writing because i can't spell for crap. not going to lie my communication skills are way better then writing. why i make videos.

    anyways the category Homosexuality and heterosexuality was created in the 19th century was to basically separate us from other men. and homosexuality is more affiliated with feminine gay men.

    now few more years back in Roam,America"native Americans" and even Africa homosexuality was considered normal in some areas and in some cultures to feminine men we're looked down upon like they didn't even have a word for it because it was expected. well the native Americans called it 2 spirited people.

    anyways some cultures a masc men that fucked a fem boi didn't lose his status just like how some guys who fuck gay guys think they are not gay because they did th fucking n so on. an they are right in a way they are not GAY because i like said GAY is just a label.
    keep in mind research shows that 92% of men have done stuff with another man in the bedroom. INTIMATE STUFF!

    as as you guys know im sure you delt with so called "straight man" that screw other dudes or even flirt or give affection...

    What im trying to say is that this how system Homosexuality Straight lesbian this label bull shit. has not really worked. like how can 92% of man be gay???



    I feel what is that because we have been categorized into these groups people are scared to explore their sexuality because they are scared to be associated as a feminine man or because htye say they gay how hard would it be to explains to your live ones. "hay i think i love pussy".

    and i just feel that its Normal its normal to want affection or be attracted to a man its just in are DNA... yeah there are some people that are ONLY into pussy and ONLY dick.


    but yeah... what are your thoughts?
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    Oct 25, 2014 7:34 AM GMT
    I'm tired and punching out for the night, and want to be open-minded, but the 92% thing seems like total BS. A source would be nice on that one.
  • Kovyn

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    Oct 25, 2014 7:49 AM GMT
    By that logic there is no such thing as democrats or republicans, just people. Afterall they're just bullshit labels, right?
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    Oct 25, 2014 8:02 AM GMT
    I think I get what you're trying to say.
    You're trying to say that the act or lifestyle of 'homosexuality' existed before the label or term was ever coined.
    I guess what you're trying to say is that you don't really have to apply yourself to a label that only came after homosexuality already existed.

    The frustration of labels can get annoying I'm sure, but really labels are just labels. They aren't inherently good or bad, they were originally made just so getting information on a consensus of people would be easier to store and manage.
    It's what people associate to a label that will alter it either good or bad.
    Anyway I think I get what you were trying to say (hopefully).
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    Oct 25, 2014 1:52 PM GMT
    Sorry liberals, wait a few generations before you try and shove hermaphrodites and unisex restrooms down everyone's throat.
  • Apparition

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    Oct 25, 2014 2:58 PM GMT
    in reality there is just
    Predators, and Prey.

    Problem solved.
  • Kollektiv

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    Oct 25, 2014 3:28 PM GMT
    Old news. Homosexuality is a social construction. Scholars like John D'Emilio and David Halperin made this argument ages ago.
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    Oct 25, 2014 3:29 PM GMT
    I don't have a problem with labels as long as they are accurate. The problem is we live in a society that only recognizes two labels (gay and straight) and has assigned a value to each. Many cultures and societies recognize the existence and value of sexual difference and don't denigrate or discriminate those that do not conform to the "norms". Sexuality, for most, is a continuum, but everyone is so stuck on the "gay or straight" thing that people panic if they want to try it out with a guy or girl. Those of us in the "gay community" need to do our part by not judging those that don't conform to our preference of gender expression, too. I know, this is RealJock, and I presume (perhaps incorrectly?) most of us are into more masculine men. It doesn't mean we have to socially exclude, label or judge guys that fall closer to the feminine end of the spectrum. I'm guilty of it too, at times, and that's something I've got to work on.
  • HottJoe

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    Oct 25, 2014 3:40 PM GMT
    If 92% of men have had gay sex, but at least two of the gay men out of the five or so posted here are Virgins, that must mean like 99.9% of all men want the D.icon_eek.gif
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    Oct 25, 2014 7:12 PM GMT
    I think what you might mean is that most people are somewhere on the spectrum between totally straight or gay and have or could have attraction/relations with either gender to some degree.
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    Oct 25, 2014 7:23 PM GMT
    mx5guynj saidSorry liberals, wait a few generations before you try and shove hermaphrodites and unisex restrooms down everyone's throat.

    I wasn't aware that was what we are trying to do. Any evidence of that?

    BTW, how do you describe your own sexuality?
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    Oct 25, 2014 7:42 PM GMT
    Homosexuality and homosexual behavior have always been around, and it would make sense that a majority of men have tried it at one time or another. But fitting in and reproduction of the species were vital for survival until the nineteenth century or so, so no one would label themselves as "gay" back then and adopt homosex exclusively. I'm sure there were frustrations for the primarily homosexual men and women who nonetheless got married and had kids, but people back then didn't really expect perfect fulfillment in all areas of life, which most people today consider to be a birthright. The term "gay" is a label used for political purposes, in my opinion; in reality there's no such category of people, since our sexuality runs the gamut from purely hetero to purely homo. If you more "real" or "genuine" adopting the label "gay" and then falling in line with the gay powers that be, more popwer to you. I prefer to think for myself and I generally don't think of myself as "gay." Of course, the virulent gay-rights advocates are terrified by this because it pulls the rug out from under their efforts to amass power. While creating a category of human being called "gay" has been a very effective political tool, it has, in my opinion, stunted the development of many individual men who feel forced to adopt the label themselves.
  • GoldieSurfer

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    Oct 25, 2014 9:07 PM GMT
    I have always believed all men are bisexual and it is just a matter of how much they acknowledge and respond to it either way.
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    Oct 25, 2014 10:07 PM GMT
    You're right, you suck at writing skill.

    But I get what you mean. It's a stigma of our age that homosexuals are expected to be feminine. On the other hand there's nothing wrong about being feminine. (I don't find it attractive though.)
  • muscleONmuscl...

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    Oct 25, 2014 10:12 PM GMT
    Kollektiv saidOld news. Homosexuality is a social construction. Scholars like John D'Emilio and David Halperin made this argument ages ago.


    It's hardly old news to 99.999% of the population and I would dare to venture 99.9% of the gay population as well. It would be more helpful to offer some citations and helpful summaries of their ideas than to sound so much like a "been done" graduate student.

    Since our society doesn't understand what "social construction" actually means, dominated as it is by the bogus ideology of unlimited individual agency and a monadic, Cartesian conception of "self," it's, on the one hand, dangerous to say that gays are "made not born" since most people will think this means it's a perverse CHOICE on the part of gays, and, on the other hand, the only way to truly break out of all self-limiting categories. As someone who has lived as practicing bi-sexual my entire adult life, I am puzzled by anyone who really says they are attracted exclusively to only one sex. There's plenty of prejudice in the gay community about bis, which I won't bother to rehearse here. I think the OP makes several good points, though he really needs an editor, and that once gays get the rights they need to be full citizens of the nation, we might begin to explore this question more deeply: is there really a thing called "homosexual" or, for that matter, "heterosexual." But society ain't ready for that one yet.
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    Oct 25, 2014 10:40 PM GMT
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    muscleONmuscle1 said
    Kollektiv saidOld news. Homosexuality is a social construction. Scholars like John D'Emilio and David Halperin made this argument ages ago.


    It's hardly old news to 99.999% of the population and I would dare to venture 99.9% of the gay population as well. It would be more helpful to offer some citations and helpful summaries of their ideas than to sound so much like a "been done" graduate student.

    Since our society doesn't understand what "social construction" actually means, dominated as it is by the bogus ideology of unlimited individual agency and a monadic, Cartesian conception of "self," it's, on the one hand, dangerous to say that gays are "made not born" since most people will think this means it's a perverse CHOICE on the part of gays, and, on the other hand, the only way to truly break out of all self-limiting categories. As someone who has lived as practicing bi-sexual my entire adult life, I am puzzled by anyone who really says they are attracted exclusively to only one sex. There's plenty of prejudice in the gay community about bis, which I won't bother to rehearse here. I think the OP makes several good points, though he really needs an editor, and that once gays get the rights they need to be full citizens of the nation, we might begin to explore this question more deeply: is there really a thing called "homosexual" or, for that matter, "heterosexual." But society ain't ready for that one yet.

    There is no gay population because gay is just a label..icon_rolleyes.gificon_lol.gif
  • MartinMPL

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    Oct 25, 2014 11:18 PM GMT
    here this source its actually 93%
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/01/straight-men-cuddle-guys-study_n_5241953.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

    and here is a video of a guy who talks about what i was on about



    Also he has researched it ALLOT more deeper then i have i recommend checking his free book online
    http://grero.com/
  • AWashingtonia...

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    Oct 26, 2014 12:16 AM GMT
    mx5guynj saidSorry liberals, wait a few generations before you try and shove hermaphrodites and unisex restrooms down everyone's throat.


    Do you actually understand what you wrote??

    I don't..icon_confused.gif
  • AWashingtonia...

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    Oct 26, 2014 12:23 AM GMT
    muscleONmuscle1 said
    Kollektiv saidOld news. Homosexuality is a social construction. Scholars like John D'Emilio and David Halperin made this argument ages ago.


    It's hardly old news to 99.999% of the population and I would dare to venture 99.9% of the gay population as well. It would be more helpful to offer some citations and helpful summaries of their ideas than to sound so much like a "been done" graduate student.

    Since our society doesn't understand what "social construction" actually means, dominated as it is by the bogus ideology of unlimited individual agency and a monadic, Cartesian conception of "self," it's, on the one hand, dangerous to say that gays are "made not born" since most people will think this means it's a perverse CHOICE on the part of gays, and, on the other hand, the only way to truly break out of all self-limiting categories. As someone who has lived as practicing bi-sexual my entire adult life, I am puzzled by anyone who really says they are attracted exclusively to only one sex. There's plenty of prejudice in the gay community about bis, which I won't bother to rehearse here. I think the OP makes several good points, though he really needs an editor, and that once gays get the rights they need to be full citizens of the nation, we might begin to explore this question more deeply: is there really a thing called "homosexual" or, for that matter, "heterosexual." But society ain't ready for that one yet.


    Wow... graduate student?... really..


    You are puzzled because you decide to think about attraction from the perspective of a "practicing bi-sexual." I am not attracted to females. While I experience an artistic and neutral appreciation of one's art, I don't find artistically well-composed females as sexually interesting.

    However, I can understand the impetus for one who is so engaged to find sexual attraction therein.

    I would hazard there is some type of food that you abhor, while many others enjoy it very much. That's a similar idea.
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    Oct 26, 2014 12:44 AM GMT
    pazzy saiduhhhhh... hugging another man doesn't really indicate anything about a man's or a woman's sexual orientation. according to that logic, that would mean that any man or woman that hugged their parent had feelings of incest.

    Hehehe.
    Game, Set, And Match, Paz
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    Oct 26, 2014 2:22 AM GMT
    Interesting post.

    I do think that because of that label many guys are afraid to explore their inner feelings because of beliefs about manliness pressed upon them.

    I never knew about the native american "2 spirit concept".. thanks!icon_biggrin.gif
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    Oct 26, 2014 4:05 AM GMT
    Very difficult to get past the horrible grammar and spelling.

    Roam --> to travel aimlessly

    Rome --> city in Italy

    That being said, homosexuality is not a social construct,. just as any other genetically-influenced trait isn't socially constructed. It is merely a definition for those who prefer to engage in intercourse with someone of the same gender. The stereotypes that are embodied within that definition however, may very well be social constructs - ie. femininity, beauty, aesthetics, etc. To confuse the two is an error.
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    Oct 26, 2014 4:20 AM GMT
    It's hard to understand exactly what you're talking about due to the spelling but look into the Kinsey scale.
  • Joeyphx444

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    Oct 26, 2014 4:25 AM GMT
    But gay men wanna be special and their own group

    They were born that way according to GaGa

    Don't tell em it's all made up