How to Defend Yourself?

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    Oct 26, 2014 8:22 AM GMT
    I'm fit and I know martial arts, but the truth of the matter is if a guy is significantly bigger than me I don't stand a chance...

    I don't want to ever have to rely on someone to protect me, but how does someone protect themselves in NY? Do they carry pepper spray or like a gun?

    *I was put in an uncomfortable position and it made me question if a situation escalated what could I do to protect myself in that moment?
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    Oct 26, 2014 8:34 AM GMT
    Dont carry a gun, these are good
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    Oct 26, 2014 1:10 PM GMT
    First thing, I believe everyone(especially the LGBT) should know some form of self defense. Also sometimes it's all about speed OP. There's no shame in running away if you're overwhelmed. I'm not sure which martial arts you know, but I recommend learning krav maga or developing a krav maga mentality. Don't be above kneeing someone in the groin, gouging their eyes, striking necks, etc. W.e it takes.

    Other than that just trust your instincts. If something feels off on that street or people, just avoid it.
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    Oct 26, 2014 1:39 PM GMT
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    Oct 26, 2014 2:31 PM GMT
    Find a reputable martial arts or self-defense school. Once you have some skills and some fight experience you will be more confident. Chances are people on the street will read your confidence and that alone will make it less likely that you will have any problems.

    A good martial arts school will also teach the importance of learning how to walk away from potential conflicts or how to defuse conflict so that you don't have to fight. But if it comes down to a fight you should be able to end it quickly on your terms.

    I studied Krav Maga and loved it. It's brutal and quick. I also studied aikido, which is super elegant and really stresses how to avoid violence.
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    Oct 26, 2014 4:42 PM GMT
    Some talk show did a segment on the efficacy of pepper spray, interviewing a rapist who said that when the woman sprayed him it made him charge at her even more violently. If a taser's legal that'd be the way to go - unless the perp's got a heart condition, then you might get years for manslaughter. There are lots of successful suits filed against taser users just for creating or exacerbating existing conditions where the perp survived: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taser_safety_issues
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    Oct 26, 2014 5:16 PM GMT
    I actually agree with Tmac a bit here. Knowing some form of self defense if really great. I grew up in a very rough area and got in this situation a lot. Had guys trying to jack me, rob me, and just fuck with me for no reason. i grew up and still practice Martial Arts & Boxing.

    I got into some pretty bloody fights when i was younger. I also used to carry a blade on me everywhere i went. It's sad that sometimes people have to live like that... but it's a crazy world out there.

    You're a pretty athletic guy it looks like. There's no shame in running away and getting out of the situation. And the other advices on this thread are good as well icon_smile.gif
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    Oct 26, 2014 5:20 PM GMT
    Meh, I just don't see the world as being all that dangerous.

    At the very worst I can outrun almost anyone.
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    Oct 26, 2014 5:27 PM GMT
    CFL_Oakland saidMeh, I just don't see the world as being all that dangerous.

    At the very worst I can outrun almost anyone.


    hahas you're pretty fortunate. My bf is lucky enough to have never had a physical confrontation in his life. Some people are just unlucky enough to be targeted though .
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    Oct 26, 2014 5:46 PM GMT
    The only time (knock wood) a stranger ever attacked me has been on this forum. It doesn't happen in person. Though, being gay and without having raised children of my own, I've concern for elder abuse in my much later years should I wind up in a stateside nursing home; but I have never before feared being physically abused in person. To the cowardly schmucks who attack me online--and, by the way, also the sniveling cowards who take no measure to stop attackers but instead criticize me when I post notifications of abuses--you mean nothing to me. Go group fuck yourselves.

    (There are better people by far on this forum than the type who would hide his identity in an email while trying to tell me to stop posting notice about my attacker who is only attacking me because after trying to woo me he revealed what a douche he is so now he is being vindictive because I reject him. Gee, why wouldn't I want to date an anti-Semite? I can't figure that one out.)

    Though I spent a lot of my time boating the Hudson, Long Island Sound, the Bahamas, the Caribbean and Florida, I haven't exactly always been in such safe surrounds. Back in the fun 70s & 80s my best bud and I used to party not frequently but fairly regularly in Harlem where a guy in a window kept his gun trained on us as we headed from and to the car to make sure no one fucked with us. Never gave it a fearing thought. We never encountered trouble there; nor did we ever experience any trouble welcoming aboard total strangers who we'd pick up at random along the Intracoastal to share with them a day or a weekend of boating and bedding fun.

    Sure there are douchebags in the world and what seems like more than a proportional share online. But theirs are just words of hollow hearts and tormented minds trapped in delusion.

    The best tool to protect yourself is simply finding the courage to face yourself. There is no enemy more fierce.

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  • davfit

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    Oct 26, 2014 6:01 PM GMT
    kick'em in ..balls 2nd ..Pepper Spray first....but Most important don't walk where you don't feel safe ..its called Street Smarts.. ..size means nothing and attacks are usually by more than one
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    Oct 26, 2014 6:05 PM GMT
    I use my fearsome lacerating wit.
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    Oct 26, 2014 6:56 PM GMT
    David3K saidDont carry a gun, these are good
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    I would favor a gun - but most places where guns are illegal - the items pictured by David are equally illegal and carry equal prison sentences. (never been to Paraguay, but it doesn't seem to be all that unsafe today - after most of the population was killed off in past uprisings.)
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    Oct 26, 2014 6:59 PM GMT
    eagermuscle saidSome talk show did a segment on the efficacy of pepper spray, interviewing a rapist who said that when the woman sprayed him it made him charge at her even more violently. If a taser's legal that'd be the way to go - unless the perp's got a heart condition, then you might get years for manslaughter. There are lots of successful suits filed against taser users just for creating or exacerbating existing conditions where the perp survived: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taser_safety_issues

    Moral: If someone attacks you and you taser them, don't be so foolish as to wait around for the authorities to arrive.
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    Oct 26, 2014 7:17 PM GMT
    CFL_Oakland saidMeh, I just don't see the world as being all that dangerous.

    At the very worst I can outrun almost anyone.

    Maybe the world isn't all that dangerous, but parts of Oakland and Berkeley are. I know a woman who was carjacked in front of her house in a nice neighborhood of Berkeley (3rd carjacking in 10 minutes for this lowlife - who shot 2 people in the process).

    No doubt, you're a good athlete - but can you run faster than 681 mph? That's the approximate speed of a bullet leaving a handgun today. Carjacker points a gun at you - and you would just "run?"

    BTW, the great judicial system in Alameda County gave the carjacker's accomplice (charged with accessory to kidnapping and attempted murder) a 2 year sentence on a plea bargain.
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    Oct 26, 2014 7:36 PM GMT
    Take your roadrunnerrob out of the bag and everyone will run away instantly
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    Oct 26, 2014 7:59 PM GMT
    AnOriginal saidI'm fit and I know martial arts, but the truth of the matter is if a guy is significantly bigger than me I don't stand a chance...

    I don't want to ever have to rely on someone to protect me, but how does someone protect themselves in NY? Do they carry pepper spray or like a gun?

    *I was put in an uncomfortable position and it made me question if a situation escalated what could I do to protect myself in that moment?


    The first thing to do is to try to avoid situations and places where you might have to defend yourself physically. If that doesn't work, you may be able to talk yourself out of the situation, or run. Actually using physical means can usually be avoided and is a last resort.

    Don't assume that you could not physically defend yourself. You need to know only a very few moves that can be applied quickly without warning. One method that can be effective is to grab both of the malefactor's shoulders, pull one of his shoulders towards you while pushing the other one away and, using your leg, pull one of his legs forward. That will throw him off balance causing him to go down. Then, before he can recover, get out of there.

    Another effective approach depends on what he is wearing. If you can get a good grip on the upper part of his jacket or shirt, forcefully pull him toward you as you drop onto your back. Use one foot between his legs or on his lower belly to force his lower body upward. He will end up landing on his back with his head towards you. Of course you have to know how to land properly when you do that.

    Surprise is important. He must be unable to anticipate what you will do so that he will be unable to prepare.
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    Oct 26, 2014 8:01 PM GMT
    lifeduringwartime23 saidI actually agree with Tmac a bit here. Knowing some form of self defense if really great. I grew up in a very rough area and got in this situation a lot. Had guys trying to jack me, rob me, and just fuck with me for no reason. i grew up and still practice Martial Arts & Boxing.

    I got into some pretty bloody fights when i was younger. I also used to carry a blade on me everywhere i went. It's sad that sometimes people have to live like that... but it's a crazy world out there.

    You're a pretty athletic guy it looks like. There's no shame in running away and getting out of the situation. And the other advices on this thread are good as well icon_smile.gif


    ^^ This ^^
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    Oct 26, 2014 8:03 PM GMT
    chrisatbc saidFind a reputable martial arts or self-defense school. Once you have some skills and some fight experience you will be more confident. Chances are people on the street will read your confidence and that alone will make it less likely that you will have any problems.

    A good martial arts school will also teach the importance of learning how to walk away from potential conflicts or how to defuse conflict so that you don't have to fight. But if it comes down to a fight you should be able to end it quickly on your terms.

    I studied Krav Maga and loved it. It's brutal and quick. I also studied aikido, which is super elegant and really stresses how to avoid violence.


    ^^ And this ^^
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    Oct 26, 2014 8:41 PM GMT
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    CFL_Oakland saidMeh, I just don't see the world as being all that dangerous.

    At the very worst I can outrun almost anyone.

    Maybe the world isn't all that dangerous, but parts of Oakland and Berkeley are. I know a woman who was carjacked in front of her house in a nice neighborhood of Berkeley (3rd carjacking in 10 minutes for this lowlife - who shot 2 people in the process).

    No doubt, you're a good athlete - but can you run faster than 681 mph? That's the approximate speed of a bullet leaving a handgun today. Carjacker points a gun at you - and you would just "run?"

    BTW, the great judicial system in Alameda County gave the carjacker's accomplice (charged with accessory to kidnapping and attempted murder) a 2 year sentence on a plea bargain.


    Fighting someone with a gun is a much higher risk proposition than running away. Most people are terrible shots, especially at a moving target, and have no interest in killing anyone anyway. Both of those conditions are changed by staying close (easier shot) and fighting (eliciting fear).

    I successfully ran away the one time a gun was pulled on me. They did not shoot.
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    Oct 26, 2014 8:51 PM GMT
    I'll put it this way. The word retreat doesn't mean defeat. Before you go into a fight, make sure you can walk away from it.
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    Oct 26, 2014 9:05 PM GMT
    Sharkspeare saidI use my fearsome lacerating wit.


    Who'd dare with mess with a shark? icon_lol.gif
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    Oct 26, 2014 9:09 PM GMT
    I probably should learn some self defense.

    I got robbed once when I was walking back home from school in the dark. Two guys came from behind me on a bike. They grabbed me from behind, threatened me, and took my backpack, wallet, and my watch. I was in shock and didn't resist them at all, and probably because of that they didn't hurt me.
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    Oct 26, 2014 9:15 PM GMT
    CFL_Oakland said
    Suetonius said
    CFL_Oakland saidMeh, I just don't see the world as being all that dangerous.

    At the very worst I can outrun almost anyone.

    Maybe the world isn't all that dangerous, but parts of Oakland and Berkeley are. I know a woman who was carjacked in front of her house in a nice neighborhood of Berkeley (3rd carjacking in 10 minutes for this lowlife - who shot 2 people in the process).

    No doubt, you're a good athlete - but can you run faster than 681 mph? That's the approximate speed of a bullet leaving a handgun today. Carjacker points a gun at you - and you would just "run?"

    BTW, the great judicial system in Alameda County gave the carjacker's accomplice (charged with accessory to kidnapping and attempted murder) a 2 year sentence on a plea bargain.


    Fighting someone with a gun is a much higher risk proposition than running away. Most people are terrible shots, especially at a moving target, and have no interest in killing anyone anyway. Both of those conditions are changed by staying close (easier shot) and fighting (eliciting fear).

    I successfully ran away the one time a gun was pulled on me. They did not shoot.


    I'm old and not gonna be around that much longer anyways so if someones pulls a gun on me they'd better be prepared to use it.
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    Oct 26, 2014 9:36 PM GMT
    Avoiding trouble is the best.

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    And when you can't avoid it, then run like hell. icon_biggrin.gif

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    But sometimes, running doesn't help if you're outnumbered or in an area you're not familiar with. Just tuck and cover your head/face, until their LTE data gets used up and go away. icon_sad.gif

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