See how it feels? YOU get attacked for the content of the article / news story / quote that you posted here as if YOU were the one who said it.
Happens to me all the time. Welcome to the club.
Whoa! My horse stopped short so fast on that one it nearly threw me.
You say that as if you've never accused in complaint that Metta8's hyperlinks are his political statements. And not just that, but you've either intimated or said outright--I don't now recall which--that the content of his hyperlinked so-called political statements were made in personal persecution of you. So you might want to look again at your hand and see where that index finger points.
pazzy said...UNLESS society changes it's thought process towards blacks, then shit will not change. ... if white guys were sagging their pants and making gangster rap, you wouldn't be saying shit.
Apparently you didn't see how roughly I handled my nephew when he was younger and puttin' on tha thug. You think I'm any gentler in person? Nooooo. "We raised you to be a nice Jewish boy," I told him, with my stern face on.
You don't think for one second that society changed for gay people to gain our rights do you? They didn't change for us. We changed them. They changed not for us but for themselves if they changed at all, because we showed them truth they could not deny. That wasn't given to us; we fought like hell for that; we forced that. We came out in force for that. Where the fuck do you think your rights are coming from, them? Nooooo. We gained that on our own. They can continue to go fuck themselves for all it matters. Nice to have them along for our ride, but we don't owe them shit. They didn't do anything for us.
Where do you think Black civil rights came from? You think they were just handed over? That society changed its prejudices to accommodate Black people? Noooooo. MLK Jr., Malcolm X, et al., the entire black movement, those guys changed their world, our world. The world didn't change for them. This stuff doesn't just happen. You have to make it happen.
Now outside of my own outsider observations, I don't know directly the black experience of course so feel free to correct me if I've missed the mark, but "holding back", even in the example provided, does seem a bit harsh. But I think I understand what he might be seeing. Maybe the expression of it simply isn't so targeted.
I haven't studied sociology formally in very many years so forgive my absence of terms--someone better educated is welcomed to fill in--but there seems some "social nepotism" (maybe there's a better way to say that?) missing from black culture which might not be so much a matter a holding back but of a lack of building up, misperceived as holding back.
This guy in the article seems to see black people being put down for being educated--this is just my speculation--but maybe it's more that there's not so much encouragement to get better educated. I don't know that, just throwing it out there.
Where my mind goes with some of that is what some subcultures of immigrants to America experienced, who did provide for each other in very supportive ways. Jewish Americans and being educated, very important to the culture. And they had to fight a Jewish Quota, a barrier to their education. Or take the Irish immigrants, for example, who early on in New York especially were very big in civil service jobs.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_American
As late as the 1960s, even after minority hiring efforts, 42% of the NYPD were Irish Americans
But, and again, this is an outsider's view, when there are, say riots in black areas, it does strike the eye odd to see destruction of their own property. Watts, Overtown, et al. I don't recall the Jewish people or Irish ever doing that to themselves. That would run counter to helping their own community.
So even though that's likely at least symbolic of the height of tearing down, I think it still a symptom of a lack of building up.
So I guess I just think there can be a more positive view which I'd hope would be more constructive instead having a view which seems to me to be so demoralizing, the attitude of which, in turn, keeps people down. You need to break through that. Society won't change to make that happen. Just like it didn't change for us. We changed society.