CDC Tries to Hide Removal of Info On Coughing And Sneezing From Ebola Q&A

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    Oct 31, 2014 3:15 PM GMT
    Yikes... I don't get how it makes sense to play politics over the issue of ebola...

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/30/cdc-ebola_n_6078072.html?1414706913

    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has quietly removed some Ebola information from its website. The changes follow claims from news outlets and conservative blogs that the agency hasn't been forthcoming about how the virus spreads, but it was not clear on Thursday afternoon whether the removal was related to the reports.

    The New York Post reported Tuesday that the agency "admitted" Ebola can be contracted through casual contact with a doorknob, seemingly contrary to the CDC's insistence that Ebola is only transmissible through direct contact with bodily fluids from a person sick with the disease. The Post cited a page on the CDC's website that said Ebola spreads through droplets that can travel short distances when a sick person coughs or sneezes.

    Meryl Nass, an internal medicine physician in Ellsworth, Maine, first highlighted the page on her own blog over the weekend.
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    Oct 31, 2014 3:18 PM GMT
    THE HILL: Nurses to hold Ebola protests in 13 states. “The largest U.S. nurses union is planning a day of action in mid-November to protest the lack of federally enforced safety precautions against Ebola.”

    http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/222384-nurses-union-to-protest-lack-of-mandated-ebola-protections

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    Oct 31, 2014 5:01 PM GMT
    There does not seem to be a limit to Obama's corruption of public agencies. My question is why?
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    Oct 31, 2014 5:38 PM GMT
    Doesn't come as any surprise. In fact, I've come to expect my government to lie to me and it never lets me down. No matter which party is in control of the White House or Congress, I can always count on my government to lie to me.
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    Oct 31, 2014 7:02 PM GMT
    Ebola is spread by contact / body fluids and has been that way for 40 years. In other words it has been a stable virus so far.

    Now the politics behind it are not
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    Oct 31, 2014 8:28 PM GMT
    This time, it can't be blamed on Republicans, Foxnews or George Bush.

    Obama is responsible for the USA's vulnerability to Ebola.

    Obama administration scrapped quarantine regulations in 2010:

    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-04-01-quarantine_N.htm
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    Oct 31, 2014 9:40 PM GMT
    Politicization of a public health matter serves no one any good, but public health is always political by its very nature since it involves rules targetting groups of people. As someone who worked in this field for 30 years [not for CDC but at the local level], I am comfortable with the present EVD prevention procedures.

    Ebola virus is spread by body fluids, whether directly from a patient, or smeared on a doorknob, or ejected into the air by a cough. There is nothing new here. What most people and media fail to distinguish is the difference between aerosol spread [wet droplets that travel up to about 2 m from the source] and airborne spread [where pathogens literally float around for hours after being expelled]. EB is NOT airborne. Period. Were that the case, there would be hunders of thousands of new cases in Africa. Did anyone notice that no one living with the Dallas EVD case who died contracted the illness???

    Please educate yourself if this is of concern to you. Hysteria, exageration and paranoia are no help to anyone. You don't need a baseball bat to hit mosquitoes -- you miss the mosquitoes and probably knock out a bystander.

    Finally - http://www.humanosphere.org/global-health/2014/10/op-ed-bill-foege-make-ebola-worse/
    "...as worrisome as Ebola is, it pales next to 1,000 deaths a day due to tobacco, thanks to reluctant politicians over the decades, or to the more than 1,000 deaths a week due to infections patients did not have when they entered the hospital, or the staggering toll of guns and influenza.

    "If only we, as a country, could show as much ingenuity in responding to our major health problems as we show with our criticism of the public health workers laboring to make the world safer."
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    Oct 31, 2014 9:54 PM GMT
    " Did anyone notice that no one living with the Dallas EVC case who died contracted the illness???"


    Ebola Panic is ending a little too soon for Republicans who'd like more fearmongering time before the election.

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    Nov 01, 2014 12:01 AM GMT
    Alpha13 saidThere does not seem to be a limit to Obama's corruption of public agencies. My question is why?


    Why? Pure 'Evil'.
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    Nov 01, 2014 6:16 AM GMT
    [quote][cite]Alpha13 said[/cite]There does not seem to be a limit to Obama's corruption of public agencies. My question is why? [/quote

    What is your evidence that the CDC's changing of their website is a. Corruption and b. Linked to Obama? Perhaps you don't know this but govt agencies don't check every action they take much less changes to their website with the president. It's a very large government.
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    Nov 01, 2014 6:18 AM GMT
    conservativejock said
    Alpha13 saidThere does not seem to be a limit to Obama's corruption of public agencies. My question is why?


    Why? Pure 'Evil'.


    Pure bullshit
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    Nov 01, 2014 7:21 AM GMT
    That is simply not true. There is absolutely no ebola epidemic in the US, period. And it is Republicans that cut funding for ebola. We would have had a vaccine by now it it weren't for republican interference.
    You do not get ebola through coughing or sneezing.
    The nurse strike?? Nurses should be using the same precautions with ebola as they should be using with ALL contagious diseases. Simple universal precautions. They do not require special training to handle ebola patients.
    17,000 US citizens die of flu every ear. How many of you had your flu vaccine?
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    Nov 01, 2014 8:38 AM GMT
    This government lie solo damn much and way too often. This about getting over into that country and taking their resources. The red cross has been infecting Africans with whatever they are giving them.

    Don't trust this government at all. Don't take their fly shots either. You guys are he thy...God gave you an immune system. I won't and will not take the flu shot. If we eat healthy or even semi-healthy diet you can still recover or not even get the flu. All these fake pandemics and epidemics, fear mongering that's drummed up by none other than our very own government. They don't I've a fuck who you are. This government is like a Nazi regime.

    Much darkness in this government. I regret with the deepest regret that I voted for Obama BUT in reality it really doesn't matter cause no matter who sits in that office its ran by someone higher.
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    Nov 01, 2014 1:42 PM GMT
    Frostbitblue saidThat is simply not true. There is absolutely no ebola epidemic in the US, period. And it is Republicans that cut funding for ebola. We would have had a vaccine by now it it weren't for republican interference.
    You do not get ebola through coughing or sneezing.
    The nurse strike?? Nurses should be using the same precautions with ebola as they should be using with ALL contagious diseases. Simple universal precautions. They do not require special training to handle ebola patients.
    17,000 US citizens die of flu every ear. How many of you had your flu vaccine?


    As a person who used to work in the developing world: It's hard to get money for anything out of a Republican controlled congress unless white heterosexual men are being affected. Even if you say 100 times this will impact you, they don't care. However, one white heterosexual man is affected no amount of money and resources is enough for the GOP as they scream for more government.
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    Nov 01, 2014 6:33 PM GMT
    Alpha13 saidThere does not seem to be a limit to Obama's corruption of public agencies. My question is why?


    We know that Kenyan socialist is behind everything! He's so sneaky. Hey! It's been 6 yrs ... Shouldn't we be in a nuclear winter by now, or at least living in FEMA camps with death panels determining our fates? Please help us Louis Gomert!
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    Nov 01, 2014 6:55 PM GMT
    Frostbitblue saidThat is simply not true. There is absolutely no ebola epidemic in the US, period. And it is Republicans that cut funding for ebola. We would have had a vaccine by now it it weren't for republican interference.
    You do not get ebola through coughing or sneezing.
    The nurse strike?? Nurses should be using the same precautions with ebola as they should be using with ALL contagious diseases. Simple universal precautions. They do not require special training to handle ebola patients.
    17,000 US citizens die of flu every ear. How many of you had your flu vaccine?


    since a sneeze can travel anywhere from 8-15 feet, and the virus is present in mucus and saliva, you can most certainly contract Ebola from a sneeze - it's not highly likely, but it's without-a-doubt possible
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    Nov 01, 2014 9:28 PM GMT
    muscleONmuscle1 said[quote][cite]Alpha13 said[/cite]There does not seem to be a limit to Obama's corruption of public agencies. My question is why? [/quote

    What is your evidence that the CDC's changing of their website is a. Corruption and b. Linked to Obama? Perhaps you don't know this but govt agencies don't check every action they take much less changes to their website with the president. It's a very large government.


    Are you saying that Obama is not omnipotent and therefore is unable to know what every single person in government is doing?
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    Nov 01, 2014 9:33 PM GMT
    Koastal said
    Alpha13 saidThere does not seem to be a limit to Obama's corruption of public agencies. My question is why?


    We know that Kenyan socialist is behind everything! He's so sneaky. Hey! It's been 6 yrs ... Shouldn't we be in a nuclear winter by now, or at least living in FEMA camps with death panels determining our fates? Please help us Louis Gomert!


    Right. Obama is a Muslim and was born in Kenya. When he decided to run for president, his supporters discovered an extra top secret time machine project that had been successful. So, they went back in time and falsified birth records to make it looks as though Obama was born in Hawaii rather than in Kenya.
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    Nov 01, 2014 9:38 PM GMT
    Mouth open sneezes is what makes people suspicious


    http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/videos/slow-motion-sneezes.htm


    This video is not trying to make sneezing so much a competition but using opera music is sacrilege

    http://www.wimp.com/slowsneezing/

    So, sneezing can be bodily fluids made airborne.

    So, explain why bodily fluids made airborne, an ebola patient sneezing on another person doesn't qualify.
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    Nov 01, 2014 9:39 PM GMT
    P.S.: I give up on looking for a good slow motion sneeze video. There are just so many of them I'm willing to sample (looking at).
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    Frostbitblue saidThat is simply not true. There is absolutely no ebola epidemic in the US, period. And it is Republicans that cut funding for ebola. We would have had a vaccine by now it it weren't for republican interference.
    You do not get ebola through coughing or sneezing.
    The nurse strike?? Nurses should be using the same precautions with ebola as they should be using with ALL contagious diseases. Simple universal precautions. They do not require special training to handle ebola patients.
    17,000 US citizens die of flu every ear. How many of you had your flu vaccine?


    since a sneeze can travel anywhere from 8-15 feet, and the virus is present in mucus and saliva, you can most certainly contract Ebola from a sneeze - it's not highly likely, but it's without-a-doubt possible


    would have put the slow motion videos as a support to your comment if I'd read it first
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    Frostbitblue saidThat is simply not true. There is absolutely no ebola epidemic in the US, period. And it is Republicans that cut funding for ebola. We would have had a vaccine by now it it weren't for republican interference.
    You do not get ebola through coughing or sneezing.
    The nurse strike?? Nurses should be using the same precautions with ebola as they should be using with ALL contagious diseases. Simple universal precautions. They do not require special training to handle ebola patients.
    17,000 US citizens die of flu every ear. How many of you had your flu vaccine?


    As a person who used to work in the developing world: It's hard to get money for anything out of a Republican controlled congress unless white heterosexual men are being affected. Even if you say 100 times this will impact you, they don't care. However, one white heterosexual man is affected no amount of money and resources is enough for the GOP as they scream for more government.


    As someone who also worked in the developing world (and still does to a certain extent), I happen to know that Bush is recognized as having made significant inroads against the war on AIDS in Africa.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/eugene-robinson-george-w-bushs-greatest-legacy--his-battle-against-aids/2012/07/26/gJQAumGKCX_story.html

    USAID has always also been consistently more effective than other aid agencies... (but it's relative and the problem generally isn't money when it comes to development most developing countries). Your claims are idiotic especially when in the context of how ineffectively governments (especially US government agencies) deploy funds.
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    Nov 02, 2014 12:36 AM GMT
    From a liberal scorecard:

    "The absurd claim that only Republicans are to blame for cuts to Ebola research"
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2014/10/15/the-absurd-claim-that-only-republicans-are-to-blame-for-cuts-to-ebola-research/

    On many levels, this line of attack is absurd.

    Obama’s Republican predecessor oversaw big increases in public-health sector spending, and both Democrats and Republicans in recent years have broadly supported efforts to rein in federal spending. Sequestration resulted from a bipartisan agreement. In some years, Congress has allocated more money for NIH and CDC than the Obama administration requested. Meanwhile, contrary to the suggestion of the DCCC ad, there never was a specific vote on funding to prevent Ebola.

    There’s no doubt that spending has been cut, or at least failed to keep pace with inflation, but the fingerprints of both parties are on the knives. This blame game earns Four Pinocchios.
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    Nov 02, 2014 12:37 AM GMT
    "Those Ebola Vaccines in Testing Now? You Can Thank Dick Cheney for That"
    http://dailysignal.com/2014/10/24/democrats-looking-blame-republicans-lack-ebola-vaccine-may-owe-dick-cheney-apology/

    Since 2001, the National Institutes of Health’s budget to study biodefense measures has increased from $53 million to $1.6 billion.

    Of the drugs now in testing phases, including some to help Americans diagnosed with Ebola, seven were developed because of the additional resources made available after 9/11.

    In 2004, Congress passed Project Bioshield, legislation that allocated $5.6 billion for purchasing, developing and storing drugs that could be used in the event of a bioterrorist attack. When President George W. Bush signed the bill into law, he commended Cheney for his role in its passage.

    “I want to thank the vice president for his hard work,” Bush said during remarks in the Rose Garden. “He was the point man in the White House on this piece of legislation and did excellent work.”

    In addition to Project Bioshield, the government boosted funding for basic research that runs high risks of failure. From 2000 to 2013, Ebola funding at NIH increased from $840,000 to $42.5 million.
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    Nov 02, 2014 2:29 AM GMT
    So how long has it taken for Ebola to become a concern to the American public? The first major outbreak was in 1976. In the meantime, we have seen outbreaks of MERSA, MERS, West Nile virus, drug resistant syphilis, flu, meningitis, brain eating amoebas and many others. They have all killed far more people than Ebola in the U.S. We know how to prevent the spread. We have the means to prevent an outbreak. Why politicize this? It reeks of political opportunism. I'm not buying into the hysteria.