standing bent-over dumbbell raises

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    Nov 02, 2014 10:46 AM GMT
    So... I was at the gym the other day and a random huge guy felt like he needed to give me advice on every single move I did. I was doing the raises exactly as in this video (and millions of other sources):



    http://youtu.be/ttvfGg9d76c

    My question is: is that a good technique or not?
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    Nov 02, 2014 3:09 PM GMT
    Scott has some great videos, except he doesn't give enough ancillary information. Great form and position, but he says nothing about the amount of weight used or things to consider if you have a bad back or other related issues (which I personally find amazing that he doesn't make note of in passing).

    My thought about your gym experience is to be respectful of someone (who seems to know his stuff) who is giving you advice, but be atuned enough to check out the information given such as you have, through other trainers (or 3rd party information like the video here). No reason to be rude or dismissive toward someone in the gym who is really trying to help, so long as he has the right attitude and ... really knows what he is doing.
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    Nov 03, 2014 9:21 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidScott has some great videos, except he doesn't give enough ancillary information. Great form and position, but he says nothing about the amount of weight used or things to consider if you have a bad back or other related issues (which I personally find amazing that he doesn't make note of in passing).

    My thought about your gym experience is to be respectful of someone (who seems to know his stuff) who is giving you advice, but be atuned enough to check out the information given such as you have, through other trainers (or 3rd party information like the video here). No reason to be rude or dismissive toward someone in the gym who is really trying to help, so long as he has the right attitude and ... really knows what he is doing.


    Oh no, I listened to him I didn't want to be rude or anything. I'm maybe too polite sometimes. I said my thanks. But the thing is that my lower back hurts now and I'm pretty sure it's because the technique he suggested.

    He said I should be completely parallel to the floor. I instantly felt the pressure on my lower back.

    I just want to know if the guy in the video is doing it correctly, because that's the way I've been doing it for years and never had a single problem.
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    Nov 03, 2014 9:24 PM GMT
    It looks fine, but just watch your lower back for sure.
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    Nov 03, 2014 9:47 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidIt looks fine, but just watch your lower back for sure.


    Thanks Kansasan, I might try to tape myself doing it the next time.

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    Nov 03, 2014 9:53 PM GMT
    I believe the workout section of this site shows doing those while laying on a bench. But unless you have very short arms, that requires a substantial angle... It's a way to take the lower back out of the equation, I suppose.
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    Nov 03, 2014 9:57 PM GMT
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    Nov 03, 2014 10:33 PM GMT
    klobasnik saidBut the thing is that my lower back hurts now and I'm pretty sure it's because the technique he suggested.

    This has always been a question of mine. If I do dead lifts I may get some back pain, but is it muscular pain from the muscles being worked or is it "back problem" pain? I do get lower back pain from too much sitting on my butt in front of the computer so I try and do things to make my lower back stronger. I know I should do abs strengthening exercises as well but there's only so much time in a day and running is my main joy.
  • Bowyn_Aerrow

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    Nov 04, 2014 1:04 AM GMT
    If you do it properly, yes.

    The problem with working out, is that you can't step back and watch yourself and see your own posture, form, control, etc.

    Most likely that helpful dude watched you, saw you making errors and was trying to assist, to get you to see yourself from outside of you better.

    The real reason a couple of my exes wanted me to be their 'spotter' and observe was so I could tell them what they were doing wrong. Seriously, I was used as an outside perspective and gave critical review of their stance, posture, poise, movements.

    I guess the same thing can be done with cellphones now days, back in my day it was beta tape or VHS and huge cameras which were not allowed in most gyms because people didn't like being video taped.

  • BIG_N_TALL

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    Nov 04, 2014 1:42 AM GMT
    That'd probably finish off my lower back, and not in a good way.
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    Nov 04, 2014 6:19 AM GMT
    klobasnik saidSo... I was at the gym the other day and a random huge guy felt like he needed to give me advice on every single move I did. I was doing the raises exactly as in this video (and millions of other sources):

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    http://youtu.be/ttvfGg9d76c

    My question is: is that a good technique or not?

    He was coming on to you!!! icon_biggrin.gif

    But yeah, I don't do this exercise. Even though I have a strong lower back, I can foresee this creating some strain.

    If you want to work your posterior delts, you should do face pulls or high rows or do reverse cable crossovers.

    Reverse+Cable+Crossover.jpg
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    Nov 04, 2014 12:05 PM GMT
    I wish randoms at my gym gave me advice haha. I'm always paranoid I'm in the way and everyone is death-staring at me cause they want the machine/weights im using :/ - it must be in my head haha

    The best support for your lower back is your abs/core. I'm no expert but everyone always says to tighten your abs when doing big weights and i find it helps a lot.

    I find if i dont exercise my abs weekly, i can get a sore lower back after my other workouts.


  • MikemikeMike

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    Nov 04, 2014 4:52 PM GMT
    klobasnik said
    HndsmKansan saidIt looks fine, but just watch your lower back for sure.


    Thanks Kansasan, I might try to tape myself doing it the next time.

    gee, this is my 500th post, let's open a bottle of champagne


    Eh, it's 501 actually, whatever icon_biggrin.gif


    Klobasnik,
    It's hard to take advice from someone who doesn't practice what they preach. Kansas doesn't look like he goes to the gym much, more time at hair club for men. Try stretching your lower back before. Does your gym have a roman chair. It allows you to do the reverse of a sit up. Also pull in your abs as you lifticon_idea.gif
    Good luck
    Post back see how you feel now!
    The video is how I do it, you are doing it correctly. I would have told that guy the roid shop is down the street. He would have left ASAP!
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    Nov 04, 2014 10:18 PM GMT
    Lumpyoatmeal said
    This has always been a question of mine. If I do dead lifts I may get some back pain, but is it muscular pain from the muscles being worked or is it "back problem" pain?


    Well having a lower back discomfort from doing deadlifts is pretty much normal, but feeling your lower back from a shoulder exercise is a direct sign something's wrong.

    xrichx saidBut yeah, I don't do this exercise. Even though I have a strong lower back, I can foresee this creating some strain.

    If you want to work your posterior delts, you should do face pulls or high rows or do reverse cable crossovers.

    Reverse+Cable+Crossover.jpg


    I do that exercise too. It's pretty good, but I like to switch my stuff so it doesn't get boring to me too fast.
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    Nov 04, 2014 10:29 PM GMT
    MikemikeMike said
    klobasnik said
    HndsmKansan saidIt looks fine, but just watch your lower back for sure.


    Thanks Kansasan, I might try to tape myself doing it the next time.

    gee, this is my 500th post, let's open a bottle of champagne


    Eh, it's 501 actually, whatever icon_biggrin.gif


    Klobasnik,
    It's hard to take advice from someone who doesn't practice what they preach. Kansas doesn't look like he goes to the gym much, more time at hair club for men. Try stretching your lower back before. Does your gym have a roman chair. It allows you to do the reverse of a sit up. Also pull in your abs as you lifticon_idea.gif
    Good luck
    Post back see how you feel now!
    The video is how I do it, you are doing it correctly. I would have told that guy the roid shop is down the street. He would have left ASAP!


    He also told me not to use any cables because "those are meant for guys who already have a good foundation to build on..." icon_biggrin.gif Man, I must look really skinny icon_biggrin.gificon_biggrin.gif but besides that he seemed fairly knowledgeable.
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    Nov 04, 2014 11:11 PM GMT
    klobasnik said
    Lumpyoatmeal saidThis has always been a question of mine. If I do dead lifts I may get some back pain, but is it muscular pain from the muscles being worked or is it "back problem" pain?

    Well having a lower back discomfort from doing deadlifts is pretty much normal, but feeling your lower back from a shoulder exercise is a direct sign something's wrong.

    In the case of doing bent over flys/raises I wouldn't agree with that. When you're bent over like that you're using your lower back muscles to maintain your position. With deadlifts you're directly exercising the lower back muscles, while with bent over raises you're indirectly exercising them, and probably with not as much weight as you'd use for dead lifts, but you're tensing them continuously so it's a different kind of work for them.
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    Nov 04, 2014 11:14 PM GMT
    Lumpyoatmeal said...

    Even doing the reverse cable crossover that xrichx recommends is going to involve some lower back muscles. The only way I can see to completely get them out of the picture is to use a bench like mindgarden said. But finding a bench that's high enough for a full range of motion might be hard.
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    Nov 05, 2014 1:12 AM GMT
    If you're all that concerned with the adequacy of your back workout, I can set you up with an extensive course of post-hole digger, splitting maul, wood-stacking, and boulder-toting exercises. icon_lol.gif
    Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go lay down in the shower and melt down the drain... icon_cry.gif
  • MikemikeMike

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    Nov 05, 2014 6:29 AM GMT
    klobasnik said
    MikemikeMike said
    klobasnik said
    HndsmKansan saidIt looks fine, but just watch your lower back for sure.


    Thanks Kansasan, I might try to tape myself doing it the next time.

    gee, this is my 500th post, let's open a bottle of champagne


    Eh, it's 501 actually, whatever icon_biggrin.gif


    Klobasnik,
    It's hard to take advice from someone who doesn't practice what they preach. Kansas doesn't look like he goes to the gym much, more time at hair club for men. Try stretching your lower back before. Does your gym have a roman chair. It allows you to do the reverse of a sit up. Also pull in your abs as you lifticon_idea.gif
    Good luck
    Post back see how you feel now!
    The video is how I do it, you are doing it correctly. I would have told that guy the roid shop is down the street. He would have left ASAP!


    He also told me not to use any cables because "those are meant for guys who already have a good foundation to build on..." icon_biggrin.gif Man, I must look really skinny icon_biggrin.gificon_biggrin.gif but besides that he seemed fairly knowledgeable.


    You look a lot more fit than he does. He just an older chubby guy who thinks he is in great shape.