Atheists Score Major Win In Federal Court

  • metta

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    Nov 03, 2014 9:56 PM GMT
    Atheists Score Major Win In Federal Court


    A federal district court in Oregon has declared Secular Humanism a religion, paving the way for the non-theistic community to obtain the same legal rights as groups such as Christianity.


    “The court finds that Secular Humanism is a religion for Establishment Clause purposes,” the ruling read.


    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/11/03/3587801/district-court-declares-secular-humanism-a-religion/
  • OutdoorAdvent...

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    Nov 04, 2014 1:23 AM GMT
    Right on.
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    Nov 04, 2014 1:34 AM GMT
    NICE!
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    Nov 04, 2014 2:30 AM GMT
    Wait a minute! We ruined marriage but they're not ruining religion? How's that work?
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    Nov 04, 2014 4:08 AM GMT
    Secular anything is a religion?

    Words mean nothing anymore.
  • waccamatt

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    Nov 04, 2014 4:34 AM GMT
    Good; everyone should be equal in the eyes of the law whether they have a religion or lack thereof.
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    Nov 04, 2014 7:13 AM GMT
    StephenOABC saidSecular anything is a religion?

    Words mean nothing anymore.


    "For Establishment Clause purposes," as the judge said, sure.

    Besides, at each of these links you will find definitions that would not exclude secular humanism or even atheism.

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion?s=t

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion

    https://ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=religion&submit.x=45&submit.y=25

    Now, the way the friggin' New York Times misused bemused yesterday is cause for despair. But this? No.
  • Bowyn_Aerrow

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    Nov 04, 2014 7:47 AM GMT
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  • HottJoe

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    Nov 04, 2014 6:18 PM GMT
    StephenOABC saidSecular anything is a religion?

    Words mean nothing anymore.

    It is because it requires faith.

    Atheists "believe" that no one was responsible for creating life on earth, but for all know intelligent machines invented cellular life the same way cellular life invented machines.
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    Nov 04, 2014 10:07 PM GMT
    Atheism is actually a non-belief.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Nov 04, 2014 10:11 PM GMT
    1285pytk saidAtheism is actually a non-belief.
    Well how can non-belief qualify as full fledged religionicon_question.gif
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    Nov 04, 2014 10:27 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    1285pytk saidAtheism is actually a non-belief.
    Well how can non-belief qualify as full fledged religionicon_question.gif


    However, secular humanism is a different thing entirely.
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    Nov 05, 2014 4:59 AM GMT
    1285pytk saidAtheism is actually a non-belief.


    Atheism is a belief that there is no God. How is believing there is no God a non-belief?

    First definition of atheism at http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/atheism?s=t is "the doctrine or belief that there is no God."

    The second definition at the Merriam-Webster site is "the doctrine that there is no deity." The definition of doctrine at Merriam-Webster is "a set of ideas or beliefs that are taught or believed to be true."

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    Nov 05, 2014 10:00 AM GMT
    QuietontheWesternFront said
    1285pytk saidAtheism is actually a non-belief.


    Atheism is a belief that there is no God. How is believing there is no God a non-belief?

    First definition of atheism at http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/atheism?s=t is "the doctrine or belief that there is no God."

    The second definition at the Merriam-Webster site is "the doctrine that there is no deity." The definition of doctrine at Merriam-Webster is "a set of ideas or beliefs that are taught or believed to be true."



    The word atheism comes from a-theism. Without a belief in God. It is a lack of belief. I DON'T BELIEVE in GOD. It is not the same as believing in no God. I don't believe in fairies. I don't believe in demons and ghosts. It is not a positive assertion. I don't hold religious practices that has a no-God belief system. I just don't believe. It is not the same as holding a belief in the non-existence of fairies and demons.

    For example: There is a cat living in space.
    I don't believe in this claim.
    It may well be true but I don't believe it. It is not useful to me and it does not affect me. I don't believe that cats live in space.

    God may exist. I don't know.
    But I don't believe in God.
    While it is true that I assume God does not exist, I do not claim that God does not exist.
    GOD MAY EXIST.
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    Nov 06, 2014 12:08 AM GMT
    1285pytk said
    The word atheism comes from a-theism. Without a belief in God. It is a lack of belief. I DON'T BELIEVE in GOD. It is not the same as believing in no God. I don't believe in fairies. I don't believe in demons and ghosts. It is not a positive assertion. I don't hold religious practices that has a no-God belief system. I just don't believe. It is not the same as holding a belief in the non-existence of fairies and demons.

    For example: There is a cat living in space.
    I don't believe in this claim.
    It may well be true but I don't believe it. It is not useful to me and it does not affect me. I don't believe that cats live in space.

    God may exist. I don't know.
    But I don't believe in God.
    While it is true that I assume God does not exist, I do not claim that God does not exist.
    GOD MAY EXIST.


    I'm pretty sure that many atheists would say that the sentence I believe there is no God is an accurate summary of their . . . belief on the matter.
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    Nov 06, 2014 12:39 AM GMT
    1) which God?
    2) non belief is not the same as belief in the non-existence of...
    3) The scientific position is of agnosticism. Atheism is the personal stance of the individual.

    http://atheists.org/activism/resources/what-is-atheism

    Atheism is not a doctrine. It is not a belief. It is a lack of a belief. I don't continually hold the belief there is no God.

    Two different things:
    I believe (1)
    I don't believe (2)

    God exists (1)
    God does not exist (2)

    I don't believe that God exists.

    Belief and knowing whether God exists or not are two separate issues.