Exciting news Trials of HIV Self-Test kits in US Gay Bathouses. Will you use one if made available to you

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    Nov 04, 2014 1:31 AM GMT
    http://www.hivplusmag.com/testing/2014/10/30/new-bathhouse-vending-machines-offer-home-hiv-tests

    Announcement of a new breakthrough that has been promised as a potential 'game changer' will be trialled in selected US bathhouses. If the trial is implemented successfully, it will be rolled out to more cities and potentially world wide.
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    Nov 05, 2014 3:06 AM GMT
    What would be truly "exciting," and a real step forward to "maturity in our 'community'," would be closing the baths and erasing them and all the misery and death they caused from our institutional memory. You might prevent a virus from taking root, but wouldn't it be better to eliminate the suicidal and self-abusive behavior underlying it? Just a thought, another band in our rainbow, if you will.
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    Nov 05, 2014 3:31 AM GMT
    Nope, I have no need for this test thing.

    I don't utilize bathhouses/sex clubs and the like.

    If it is effective and works that might slow/halt the spread of HIV.

    However we continually appear to forget there is more than one STD...

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    Nov 05, 2014 3:52 AM GMT
    It's an improvement. Although it has no meaning to me personally because my husband & I are monogamous, we get tested several times a year for a complete battery of STDs, and my husband won't go to a bathhouse. And while I used to love them when single, I would never go solo without him along.

    The main problem I see with this is that the OraQuick mouth swab is giving you a picture of your HIV status from 3 to 6 months ago, due to the delay in the body developing the antibodies to HIV that the test is detecting. But a person can still be infected, and be infectious, without OraQuick registering positive.

    Nevertheless, it's better than nothing. And unless you or the other guy got infected in the preceding 3 months, there's some degree of assurance with OraQuick. But you should still always use a condom with a stranger.
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    Nov 05, 2014 5:19 AM GMT
    Art_Deco saidIt's an improvement. Although it has no meaning to me personally because my husband & I are monogamous, we get tested several times a year for a complete battery of STDs, and my husband won't go to a bathhouse. And while I used to love them when single, I would never go solo without him along.

    The main problem I see with this is that the Ora-Quick mouth swab is giving you a picture of your HIV status from 3 to 6 months ago, due to the delay in the body developing the antigens to HIV that the test is detecting. But a person can still be infected, and be infectious, without Ora-Quick registering positive.

    Nevertheless, it's better than nothing. And unless you or the other guy got infected in the preceding 3 months, there's some degree of assurance with Ora-Quick. But you should still always use a condom with a stranger.


    Good points brought up there but bathhouses aren't going to be shut down any tome soon so I can see how the US authorities think it's a good place to start.

    As this is an new technology of which those in my home town of Syndey who get the free rapid testing through ACON or their public and private health care partners around the city would be aware or the likely implimentation of this kit for wider use. If it proved to be successful then those who are willing to BB no matter what can potentially use it to check on claims of those who say they have had 6 consecutive months of undetectable viral load of which is already becoming the mantra of those who just want BB sex no matter what.

    Condoms together with this technology at least until proven beyond doubt not just in a controled trial would be a great step forward for gay men of either HIV status
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    Nov 05, 2014 5:29 AM GMT
    Although I do not have first-hand information, I have been told by acquaintances that some guys who discovered they are HIV+ retaliate by going to bathhouses with the intention to try infect as many others as possible. It could help to have access control by testing all arrivals and refuse poz-guys, but this would open another can of worms and could have legal complications. I cannot see that a quick test at a bathhouse would contribute much to prevent HIV if the members or guests have a don't-care attitude. The urge for sexual gratification is known to outperform hunger so guys, especially if drugs are also involved, would do go for very careless actions regardless of the known consequences.
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    Nov 05, 2014 9:55 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidSounds like this approach could have some potential but I do see some drawbacks. Basically, a bathhouse environment is a place where drugs like crystal meth and alcohol reign. People who are in a highly altered state are more than likely not going to be concerned with the option option to self test for HIV.

    It's wonderful to have a private and free option to self test. But I wonder how effective this will be at reducing the spread of HIV.


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    Nov 05, 2014 2:08 PM GMT
    Sydneyrugbyjock73 said
    As this is an new technology of which those in my home town of Syndey who get the free rapid testing through ACON or their public and private health care partners around the city would be aware or the likely implimentation of this kit for wider use. If it proved to be successful then those who are willing to BB no matter what can potentially use it to check on claims of those who say they have had 6 consecutive months of undetectable viral load of which is already becoming the mantra of those who just want BB sex no matter what.

    Condoms together with this technology at least until proven beyond doubt not just in a controled trial would be a great step forward for gay men of either HIV status

    This is not a new technology, but its more general availability for self-testing is the more recent development. And the mouth swab checks for antibodies, not viral load. OraQuick gives you a Yes/No answer. Measuring viral load numbers requires more sophisticated (and expensive) lab work.

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    Nov 10, 2014 1:43 AM GMT
    TomSOCAL said
    MGINSD saidWhat would be truly "exciting," and a real step forward to "maturity in our 'community'," would be closing the baths and erasing them and all the misery and death they caused from our institutional memory. You might prevent a virus from taking root, but wouldn't it be better to eliminate the suicidal and self-abusive behavior underlying it? Just a thought, another band in our rainbow, if you will.


    I do not go to these but it is not just bathhouse that need hiv tests. You cannot get doctors in riverside and san Bernardino counties to order hiv tests, even in palm springs. The docs are so conservative and paranoid of the gay and hipster populations that they refuse to order most blood tests, especially hiv. This is a major health care crisis for these stubborn anti gay counties and their docs. Palm springs would love to see every single gay guy move to west Hollywood or hillcrest. They hate gays unless u are hiv neg in a committed relationship, and also paying property taxes.


    That's odd.

    Palm Springs is one of THE Gayest little towns anywhere. 43K people. I'd guess 25%. We just had Gay Pride. Today, the Festival was on Palm Canyon, in the heart of the city. The mayor spoke at the street party. A recent mayor was Gay.

    My doctor from Kaiser has been great! I'm POZ/U, single but do pay property taxes.

    Like San Diego, the outlying areas are very conservative.
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    Nov 11, 2014 10:15 AM GMT
    Timm55 brings up a good point in his post. Aces to affordable/free testing is perfectly suited a bath to be trialed due to the likelihood of thst there would be a higher volume of men who are planning or are open minded about engaging in high risk sexual activities. I would also suggest that by providing the best opportunity to engage with a sizable number of the target demographic of which woud be the tragedy